2020 Candidate Speculation

[dc2london]

Mar 31, 2019 15:33:19 GMT -6 misspatty said:

Mar 31, 2019 15:26:17 GMT -6 dc2london said:

And I have to own the fact that my post was flippant and offered zero context so yeah, it's understandable that someone might have read it as me objecting to the criticism, and therefore, Amy criticism. That's not at all what I meant but I understand how someone thought it was what I meant. So I take ownership of that mistake

Oh, my sweet DC, out of everyone here I really don’t think anyone is actually upset with you at all.

I posted the inflammatory thing that prompted all of the other posts. I see how air contributed to this. I didn't mean to, but I did. I genuinely feel badly about it.

[misspatty]

Mar 31, 2019 15:35:02 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Mar 31, 2019 15:33:19 GMT -6 misspatty said:

Oh, my sweet DC, out of everyone here I really don’t think anyone is actually upset with you at all.

I posted the inflammatory thing that prompted all of the other posts. I see how air contributed to this. I didn't mean to, but I did. I genuinely feel badly about it.

But you already apologized! It’s not your fault. I just want you to stop beating yourself up. We’re all responsible for our own mess. Haaaaa.

[dc2london]

Mar 31, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -6 misspatty said:

Mar 31, 2019 15:35:02 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I posted the inflammatory thing that prompted all of the other posts. I see how air contributed to this. I didn't mean to, but I did. I genuinely feel badly about it.

But you already apologized! It’s not your fault. I just want you to stop beating yourself up. We’re all responsible for our own mess. Haaaaa.

I'm not beating myself up, I promise 💓💓💓

[athn64]

Mar 31, 2019 15:34:48 GMT -6 misspatty said:

Mar 31, 2019 15:31:05 GMT -6 athn64 said:

I'm sure some are. But my rep is just an asshole out for number one. No one has anything on him.

Lol, I know the feeling.

I really can't stand him.

[elle]

Re: Pete Buttigieg

He made a misstep and people were upset by it. Did he mean what some people are interpreting? No. Is it grounds to throw him into the "never" pile? Absolutely not. But we do ourselves no favors if we refuse to listen to viewpoints other than our own.

Beyond that I do want him to be successful on the campaign trail so I really hope he takes into consideration both the positive and negative things potential voters are saying. It will only serve to make him a better and stronger candidate.

[richard]

I can’t find it but I read a profile of Graham somewhere that said that one of his driving motivations is to be at the center of whatever is going on - regardless of what the issue of the day is. So he teamed up with Durbin on immigration at first when he thought that there was a grand agreement to be had. He pushed Graham-Cassidy on healthcare even though no one wanted it to keep his name in it.

So in the primary when Trump was getting all the attention, he set himself up as a foil to get attention. And then when Trump won, he told McCain that it was better to be in the room with Trump than outside.

It’s all self-preservation/self-promotion IMO.

[athn64]

Mar 31, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -6 richard said:

I can’t find it but I read a profile of Graham somewhere that said that one of his driving motivations is to be at the center of whatever is going on - regardless of what the issue of the day is. So he teamed up with Durbin on immigration at first when he thought that there was a grand agreement to be had. He pushed Graham-Cassidy on healthcare even though no one wanted it to keep his name in it.

So in the primary when Trump was getting all the attention, he set himself up as a foil to get attention. And then when Trump won, he told McCain that it was better to be in the room with Trump than outside.

It’s all self-preservation/self-promotion IMO.

It works. We're always talking about him.

[dc2london]

Mar 31, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -6 richard said:

I can’t find it but I read a profile of Graham somewhere that said that one of his driving motivations is to be at the center of whatever is going on - regardless of what the issue of the day is. So he teamed up with Durbin on immigration at first when he thought that there was a grand agreement to be had. He pushed Graham-Cassidy on healthcare even though no one wanted it to keep his name in it.

So in the primary when Trump was getting all the attention, he set himself up as a foil to get attention. And then when Trump won, he told McCain that it was better to be in the room with Trump than outside.

It’s all self-preservation/self-promotion IMO.

Yep. I read this too. I feel like it was a Mike Schmidt story

[Minerva]

Mar 31, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -6 richard said:

I can’t find it but I read a profile of Graham somewhere that said that one of his driving motivations is to be at the center of whatever is going on - regardless of what the issue of the day is. So he teamed up with Durbin on immigration at first when he thought that there was a grand agreement to be had. He pushed Graham-Cassidy on healthcare even though no one wanted it to keep his name in it.

So in the primary when Trump was getting all the attention, he set himself up as a foil to get attention. And then when Trump won, he told McCain that it was better to be in the room with Trump than outside.

It’s all self-preservation/self-promotion IMO.

Makes sense. The man is very ear-to-the-ground and lacks a backbone.

[Minerva]

Mar 31, 2019 15:37:38 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Mar 31, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -6 misspatty said:

But you already apologized! It’s not your fault. I just want you to stop beating yourself up. We’re all responsible for our own mess. Haaaaa.

I'm not beating myself up, I promise 💓💓💓

Tbh, I feel like this has very little to do with you.

Your remarks were worth a discussion, but not particularly inflammatory.

[greykitty]

"And then when Trump won, he told McCain that it was better to be in the room with Trump than outside."

A lot of the execs on the President's business advisory councils felt exactly that way. You can't influence someone when you're not there to hear and to speak, and I can see the point.

However, as we all saw, that fell apart big time. Trump may say he disbanded the councils to save face but the executives were quitting like crazy.

[Minerva]

I’ve been feeling a lot of cynicism w/ the Democratic Party based on all the shit that has been going down in VA this year. My current primary philosophy is to sit on my hands for awhile and just take all of the candidates in. They are all going to fuck up as they get their campaigns up and running. I want to see what policies they can put out there and if they can stand up for the interests of a diversity of Americans over time. I want them vetted as much as possible by the Democratic Party and journos so that there are no nasty surprises come the General. Now is the time for them to figure out which parts of their political persona that work in their own state will be non-starters on a national stage.

So far, I like a lot about Mayor Pete, but I can say the same for Harris, Klobucher, and Warren. I just need to see them all in action for longer. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[greykitty]

dc2london , the whole recent shenanigans had nothing to do with you IMO.  

[jkjacq]

dc2london you didn’t start the fire

I hope hb comes back. She does offer great insight to things.

We all come from different backgrounds and experience so we need to keep that in mind. For instance there is a large latix population here. Most of them in MY experience don’t consider themselves nonwhite. Some of the families have been in this state longer than the half the population. And don’t feel disenfranchised. So to hear Mia’s take is always enlightening to me

That is not true of people of color here. There is a history of neo nazis and quiet racism. And even though Boise is a pretty welcoming place it’s not true for a lot of the state. That said it’s like less than 2% poc. So the problems in Ferguson MO are not the same as Boise. And I learn so much from just reading others here and I hope that doesn’t change.

I try to only speak to what I know. I’ll admit I like Pete. I like Kamala. I’m on the fence with Amy Liz and Cory. At this point I’m ready to throw $$ at Castro just so he can be IN the debate because I think he has things that need to be heard.
I’m not willing to crucify a candidate for slight mistakes (except hickenlooper).

Tldr every person here should feel they are being heard and I’m going to strive to be better

[jkjacq]

Well Connie Schultz has words that speak to us today
Fellow Americans,

I am asking for a moratorium on the phrase "eat our own" and its variations in discussions here about Democratic candidates for president. Exploring candidates' strengths and weaknesses is a crucial part of the primary process, not an attempt to hand over the 2020 election to Donald Trump. Such debate also better prepares us for the general election, which is likely to be the ugliest in modern history. We will need to be sturdy souls, indeed.

I have no favorite candidate right now. I share links to pieces to promote civil and spirited discussions, which has been my habit here for more than a decade. If you don't like a story or opinion piece that I share, please tell us what you think the author gets wrong. Feel free to explain why you prefer a particular candidate.

In every thread, please refrain from attacking fellow commenters. This has been the policy of our online community here from the beginning. More than ever, I see its need.

Again, I share my favorite definition of a patriot, by the late Rev. William Sloane Coffin:

"There are three kinds of patriots, two bad, one good. The bad ones are the uncritical lovers and the loveless critics. Good patriots carry on a lover's quarrel with their country, a reflection of God's lover's quarrel with all the world."

Yours, in gratitude,
Connie

P.S. This is a photo of Franklin wondering why we humans must be so relentlessly human. I thought he might help me get your attention.

[bunnyfungo]

I’m sick, and hopped up on a lot of DayQuil, but I just wanted to say that I’m so sorry to see @heartbot leave. We have been through a lot together since 2016, and even leading up to that election. I’m sad to see someone leave and I hope she comes back.

[Ls2012]

Toxic white optimism is really make me stop and think. I'm going to spend some time evaluating some of my hesitancy toward the criticism I mentioned earlier.

miawallace, thanks for talking about this. It wasn't a phrase/ definition I'd heard before.

[miawallace]

Mar 31, 2019 18:22:16 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

Toxic white optimism is really make me stop and think. I'm going to spend some time evaluating some of my hesitancy toward the criticism I mentioned earlier.

miawallace, thanks for talking about this. It wasn't a phrase/ definition I'd heard before.

Honestly it’s not even an official word. I just heard the phrase from Michael Che yesterday and it put a name to what I was trying to explain whenever I feel like A point is disregarded in order to maintain the peace. It was a tiny segment but I was like yes I know what you mean mike!
I love his thoughts over on Instagram. He’s great.

[jaygee]

Mar 31, 2019 17:55:48 GMT -6 bunnyfungo said:

I’m sick, and hopped up on a lot of DayQuil, but I just wanted to say that I’m so sorry to see @heartbot leave. We have been through a lot together since 2016, and even leading up to that election. I’m sad to see someone leave and I hope she comes back.

I hope you feel better. Hugs.

[jaygee]

Mar 31, 2019 18:45:45 GMT -6 miawallace said:

Mar 31, 2019 18:22:16 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

Toxic white optimism is really make me stop and think. I'm going to spend some time evaluating some of my hesitancy toward the criticism I mentioned earlier.

miawallace, thanks for talking about this. It wasn't a phrase/ definition I'd heard before.

Honestly it’s not even an official word. I just heard the phrase from Michael Che yesterday and it put a name to what I was trying to explain whenever I feel like A point is disregarded in order to maintain the peace. It was a tiny segment but I was like yes I know what you mean mike!
I love his thoughts over on Instagram. He’s great.

This isn’t exactly the same but adjacent.

I’ve never linked to IG, so I hope this works. The caption has the relevant points. I’m not going to try to summarize because her words are the point.

http://instagram.com/p/Buc0NPIHkiN

[sweetpea]

I want to say I hope @heartbot comes back and I apologize for my part in this. I signed on after a day of house hunting and was like whoa this thread really exploded. I think end of the day we’re all voting for whoever gets a Trump out of the WH #hagfish2020

[Minerva]

#Hagfish2020 all the way.

I also hope @heartbot returns. I have learned a lot from her and I really appreciate having people with a spectrum of different opinions here.

[dc2london]

Have we discussed Biden?

[jkjacq]

Apr 1, 2019 15:35:09 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Have we discussed Biden?

It the weekly thread since its a 'handsy' issue and not an announcement

[Ls2012]

I want to hear more about Gillibrand. Has everyone already written her off over Franken? That would be disappointing.

[dc2london]

Apr 1, 2019 15:45:37 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

I want to hear more about Gillibrand. Has everyone already written her off over Franken? That would be disappointing.

I don't think anyone here has

[Ls2012]

Apr 1, 2019 15:48:27 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Apr 1, 2019 15:45:37 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

I want to hear more about Gillibrand. Has everyone already written her off over Franken? That would be disappointing.

I don't think anyone here has

Oh! No, I shouldn't think so. I meant more generally among Dems.

[dc2london]

Apr 1, 2019 15:49:20 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

Apr 1, 2019 15:48:27 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I don't think anyone here has

Oh! No, I shouldn't think so. I meant more generally among Dems.

There is a subset of dudes who hate her but it doesn't seem to be a large group

[jkjacq]

Apr 1, 2019 15:49:20 GMT -6 Ls2012 said:

Apr 1, 2019 15:48:27 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I don't think anyone here has

Oh! No, I shouldn't think so. I meant more generally among Dems.

She gave her kickoff speech a couple weeks ago in front of T tower.  It was a really good speech. 

I'm open to hearing more from her

[Ls2012]

I keep seeing her campaign ads on FB and scroll through the comments occasionally. It's discouraging but also, FB.

I haven't seen much of her policy ideas, even on Twitter. I was hoping someone would do some digging for me beacuse I'm feeling super lazy lately.