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Post by jaygee on Mar 26, 2019 19:16:46 GMT -6
I enjoy the policy/position conversations because it gives me something to dig into and not feel like I'm wandering amongst the candidates without a clue as to what I think.  You are me. Sounds like our H’s would give similar reports. 😉 It’s kind of why I’m losing steam at this weird middle stage. I was all excited with the announcements and now I’m like “give me all the policies.” I need patience. |
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Post by jaygee on Mar 26, 2019 21:13:39 GMT -6
This is nice to see.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Mar 26, 2019 21:19:38 GMT -6
Agree! This is really all I want — for the candidates to build on each others' good ideas so whoever is the nominee is someone everyone can feel good about. |
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Post by Minerva on Mar 26, 2019 22:04:42 GMT -6
Fair enough. It's just that Kamala's not alone in this. It’s not that she met with them that bothers me, it’s the full endorsement of their agenda in her tweet: “the need for a strong U.S.-Israel alliance, the right of Israel to defend itself, and my commitment to combat anti-Semitism in our country and around the world.” Amy using similar language doesn’t thrill me at all. The others just took meetings, which isn’t the same as endorsing their message, to me. I have some serious issues with our blind alliance with Israel. I don’t see the problem with any of those three statements, personally. It’s presumably common ground that she has with AIPAC - it does not mean that she endorses all policies for which they lobby or is pro-Netanyahu. I think there are a lot of other democrats (progressives and moderates) who feel similarly. There is a wide spectrum of views on Israeli-US relations within the Democratic party. Our candidate should be willing to seriously listen to and consider them. TBH, while the optics of the tweet aren’t great, a sitting senator who refused to meet with AIPAC representatives at all would be more problematic to me. |
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Post by misspatty on Mar 27, 2019 6:13:10 GMT -6
It’s not that she met with them that bothers me, it’s the full endorsement of their agenda in her tweet: “the need for a strong U.S.-Israel alliance, the right of Israel to defend itself, and my commitment to combat anti-Semitism in our country and around the world.” Amy using similar language doesn’t thrill me at all. The others just took meetings, which isn’t the same as endorsing their message, to me. I have some serious issues with our blind alliance with Israel. I don’t see the problem with any of those three statements, personally. It’s presumably common ground that she has with AIPAC - it does not mean that she endorses all policies for which they lobby or is pro-Netanyahu. I think there are a lot of other democrats (progressives and moderates) who feel similarly. There is a wide spectrum of views on Israeli-US relations within the Democratic party. Our candidate should be willing to seriously listen to and consider them. TBH, while the optics of the tweet aren’t great, a sitting senator who refused to meet with AIPAC representatives at all would be more problematic to me. Agree to disagree. That tweet has a distinctly pro-Netanyahu vibe to me and that's why it makes me uncomfortable. I agree that Senators and candidates shouldn't be refusing meetings with them, but since this is a democratic primary, I am looking for a candidate who distances themselves from a heavily pro-Israel stance. |
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Post by RajahMD on Mar 27, 2019 7:09:20 GMT -6
I need to argue something to know where I stand on. Ask my husband. I feel like this sums up my life. I don't know how many times I've tried to argue something with my husband without knowing why I'm arguing. Then he ends up bringing me to his side. Case in point, I was religious when we first got together. He was borderline. In the process of explaining to him why I believe(d) what I did, I became an agnostic/atheist (depends on the day), instead of converting him. Whoops! |
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Post by Minerva on Mar 27, 2019 7:23:42 GMT -6
I don’t see the problem with any of those three statements, personally. It’s presumably common ground that she has with AIPAC - it does not mean that she endorses all policies for which they lobby or is pro-Netanyahu. I think there are a lot of other democrats (progressives and moderates) who feel similarly. There is a wide spectrum of views on Israeli-US relations within the Democratic party. Our candidate should be willing to seriously listen to and consider them. TBH, while the optics of the tweet aren’t great, a sitting senator who refused to meet with AIPAC representatives at all would be more problematic to me. Agree to disagree. That tweet has a distinctly pro-Netanyahu vibe to me and that's why it makes me uncomfortable. I agree that Senators and candidates shouldn't be refusing meetings with them, but since this is a democratic primary, I am looking for a candidate who distances themselves from a heavily pro-Israel stance. Fair enough. She’s a bit more hawkish than I prefer in her foreign policy overall. Based on her work in the senate, she is definitely very pro-Israel in that that she believes it has the right to exist as a Jewish state and defend itself, while still being in favor of a two-state solution. More pro-Israel than Obama, IMO, and more ambivalent on Netanyahu (but not unusually so for a sitting senator who has had to work with his admin on defense and security issues over the years). On an aside, I do wish the progressive left was better at distinguishing pro-Israel from pro-Netanyahu in their criticisms. They get jumbled together in a lot of left wing rhetoric and it is too easy to incorrectly extrapolate bad intentions on either side. |
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Post by daffodilsandcoffee on Mar 27, 2019 12:59:50 GMT -6
I have a lot of bitter feelings on the teacher pay thing. Most people don’t realize that MOST teachers are on the bottom part of the salary scale. Also, in my state, they took away opportunities to move up that scale. In 2011, they changed teacher salaries so that instead of moving up the pay scale based on years of experience, you got frozen on the rung you were on and would only then earn raises each year of like 2 % IF you met the new grading scale requirements (one of which was student test scores). The teachers who had topped out the scale at 65k a year LOved it because they could earn raises again. Those of us with only 3 years under our belt getting paid 34k a year became discouraged and started leaving the field in droves. 2% of 34k a year if my students test well? I will NEVER reach a good leve of compensation for what I do. My mom makes more at a call center and never takes work home. She also never went to college.
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Post by daffodilsandcoffee on Mar 27, 2019 13:01:19 GMT -6
Starting salaries are now higher, especially in urban districts. But they weren’t as of three years ago when I left the field. My brother got paid more his first year of teaching than I was getting with 8 years of experience.
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Post by teatime on Mar 27, 2019 13:04:22 GMT -6
I have a lot of bitter feelings on the teacher pay thing. Most people don’t realize that MOST teachers are on the bottom part of the salary scale. Also, in my state, they took away opportunities to move up that scale. In 2011, they changed teacher salaries so that instead of moving up the pay scale based on years of experience, you got frozen on the rung you were on and would only then earn raises each year of like 2 % IF you met the new grading scale requirements (one of which was student test scores). The teachers who had topped out the scale at 65k a year LOved it because they could earn raises again. Those of us with only 3 years under our belt getting paid 34k a year became discouraged and started leaving the field in droves. 2% of 34k a year if my students test well? I will NEVER reach a good leve of compensation for what I do. My mom makes more at a call center and never takes work home. She also never went to college. I loved teaching but I left the field. I was getting paid next to nothing and kept getting “voluntold” to do things. I just felt so taken advantage of. |
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Mar 27, 2019 13:16:21 GMT -6
The teacher pay thing makes me so angry, OMG.
We pay our public school teachers pretty well in our district. One of our longest-serving (nearly 30 years) kindergarten teachers makes around 100K! It's wonderful, I'm SO happy to be supporting that kind of thing with local property taxes, bonds, etc. It should be the norm everywhere and not just where rich people live, ugh.
Side note, a dad once made a disparaging remark about how we have K teachers being paid 100K and I just about killed him on the spot with my withering stare. True story.
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Post by misspatty on Mar 27, 2019 14:01:00 GMT -6
I have a lot of bitter feelings on the teacher pay thing. Most people don’t realize that MOST teachers are on the bottom part of the salary scale. Also, in my state, they took away opportunities to move up that scale. In 2011, they changed teacher salaries so that instead of moving up the pay scale based on years of experience, you got frozen on the rung you were on and would only then earn raises each year of like 2 % IF you met the new grading scale requirements (one of which was student test scores). The teachers who had topped out the scale at 65k a year LOved it because they could earn raises again. Those of us with only 3 years under our belt getting paid 34k a year became discouraged and started leaving the field in droves. 2% of 34k a year if my students test well? I will NEVER reach a good leve of compensation for what I do. My mom makes more at a call center and never takes work home. She also never went to college. Indiana's teacher compensation is criminal. The way this state treats its children infuriates me. |
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Post by enchanted on Mar 27, 2019 16:49:53 GMT -6
I have a lot of bitter feelings on the teacher pay thing. Most people don’t realize that MOST teachers are on the bottom part of the salary scale. Also, in my state, they took away opportunities to move up that scale. In 2011, they changed teacher salaries so that instead of moving up the pay scale based on years of experience, you got frozen on the rung you were on and would only then earn raises each year of like 2 % IF you met the new grading scale requirements (one of which was student test scores). The teachers who had topped out the scale at 65k a year LOved it because they could earn raises again. Those of us with only 3 years under our belt getting paid 34k a year became discouraged and started leaving the field in droves. 2% of 34k a year if my students test well? I will NEVER reach a good leve of compensation for what I do. My mom makes more at a call center and never takes work home. She also never went to college. Indiana's teacher compensation is criminal. The way this state treats its children infuriates me. Out of everyone I was friends with in college who were getting education degrees (which was a pretty high number because you know our alma mater has a wonderful education program), less than ten are still teaching and of that number, only three are still in Indiana. Others moved to other states. ETA: Maybe four? I just know almost everyone quit teaching or moved to another state because Daniels, Pence, and the rest of the state GOP are killing public education. |
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Post by cakewench on Mar 27, 2019 16:54:38 GMT -6
Well if you didn’t love them enough already:
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Post by Minerva on Mar 27, 2019 16:56:12 GMT -6
Well if you didn’t love them enough already: OMG 😂😂😂 |
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Mar 27, 2019 17:09:00 GMT -6
Well if you didn’t love them enough already: I mean, same, Mr. Buttigieg. |
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Post by cnf on Mar 27, 2019 17:52:14 GMT -6
Starting salaries are now higher, especially in urban districts. But they weren’t as of three years ago when I left the field. My brother got paid more his first year of teaching than I was getting with 8 years of experience. Urban districts have to pay more. I'm on my second urban district. The number of fights I break up, the number of times I'm told "suck my dick" for asking a kid to stop talking, watching a group of kids sexually harass our crazy amazing social studies teacher simply because he's married to another man, getting screamed at because I tell them to get off Snapchat in the middle of class. It is exhausting and thankless. If my school was going to pay my what the suburbs did I'm not sure I would stay. I would take the pay cut and go where I don't spend half my day getting cussed out. I earn my extra money, that's for damn sure. I called seven parents today. I had two more on my list and opted to go home to my own kids instead because the calls don't yield change anyways. I just continue on. |
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Post by misspatty on Mar 27, 2019 17:54:20 GMT -6
Indiana's teacher compensation is criminal. The way this state treats its children infuriates me. Out of everyone I was friends with in college who were getting education degrees (which was a pretty high number because you know our alma mater has a wonderful education program), less than ten are still teaching and of that number, only three are still in Indiana. Others moved to other states. ETA: Maybe four? I just know almost everyone quit teaching or moved to another state because Daniels, Pence, and the rest of the state GOP are killing public education. Not a single person I know who graduated from the Ed school stayed in Indiana. None. |
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Post by cnf on Mar 27, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -6
Out of everyone I was friends with in college who were getting education degrees (which was a pretty high number because you know our alma mater has a wonderful education program), less than ten are still teaching and of that number, only three are still in Indiana. Others moved to other states. ETA: Maybe four? I just know almost everyone quit teaching or moved to another state because Daniels, Pence, and the rest of the state GOP are killing public education. Not a single person I know who graduated from the Ed school stayed in Indiana. None. This is all good info to know. My husband made a final round interview at Notre Dame earlier this year. Like they planned to fly him out to SB and woo him. I was very unsure of how my teaching licence would transfer or what education is like there. And now I know. And now I'm very glad he took a different job instead. |
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Post by misspatty on Mar 28, 2019 5:27:51 GMT -6
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Post by notblanche on Mar 28, 2019 6:24:31 GMT -6
Wayne Messam, mayor of Miramar, Florida, announced he will run for president.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 28, 2019 6:24:51 GMT -6
@waynemessam: The American Dream my parents sought when they came from Jamaica with just a 5th grade education is fleeting. Together, we can put the American Dream back within reach for all #ChangeCantWait
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Post by misspatty on Mar 28, 2019 6:26:37 GMT -6
Wayne Messam, mayor of Miramar, Florida, announced he will run for president.Part Part of me is like ugh, the field is already overcrowded. But Wayne seems like a cool dude and I'm looking forward to learning more about him! |
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Post by cakewench on Mar 28, 2019 7:12:55 GMT -6
Did I miss something about Hickenlooper and his mom?! (Clearly I must have...) |
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Post by misspatty on Mar 28, 2019 7:19:25 GMT -6
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Post by starbuck on Mar 28, 2019 7:28:19 GMT -6
His mother complimented the movie's "very good lighting."
I die.
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Post by roloma on Mar 28, 2019 8:03:21 GMT -6
I watched that Daily Show clip two times last night. I loved it. The skeleton bit killed me dead.
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Post by misspatty on Mar 28, 2019 8:24:53 GMT -6
I keep spontaneously cackling about the Hickenlooper story. WTAF.
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Post by milano on Mar 28, 2019 10:56:34 GMT -6
I watched that Daily Show clip two times last night. I loved it. The skeleton bit killed me dead. I watched it while drinking coffee and I dribbled a bit. Hilarious! "Pete Buttag, the mayor of Indianapolis" 😆 |
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