2020 Candidate Speculation

[dc2london]

Mar 26, 2019 22:04:42 GMT -6 Minerva said:

Mar 26, 2019 18:19:29 GMT -6 misspatty said:

It’s not that she met with them that bothers me, it’s the full endorsement of their agenda in her tweet: “the need for a strong U.S.-Israel alliance, the right of Israel to defend itself, and my commitment to combat anti-Semitism in our country and around the world.”

Amy using similar language doesn’t thrill me at all. The others just took meetings, which isn’t the same as endorsing their message, to me. I have some serious issues with our blind alliance with Israel.

I don’t see the problem with any of those three statements, personally. It’s presumably common ground that she has with AIPAC - it does not mean that she endorses all policies for which they lobby or is pro-Netanyahu. I think there are a lot of other democrats (progressives and moderates) who feel similarly. There is a wide spectrum of views on Israeli-US relations within the Democratic party. Our candidate should be willing to seriously listen to and consider them.

TBH, while the optics of the tweet aren’t great, a sitting senator who refused to meet with AIPAC representatives at all would be more problematic to me.

This is exactly where I am. There are many varying viewpoints within AIPAC. I feel strongly that we benefit from our alliance with Israel. I feel strongly that Israel should participate in negotiations toward a two state solution. And I feel strongly that violence in Gaza must stop. That puts me in line with a lot of AIPAC members.
But I don't refuse to talk with them because there are members of their group who are Islamophobic, extremist, and far-right-wing. That wouldn't be right.

I have a lot of problems with Bibi. But I keep those apart from my feelings toward Israel as an ally. Just as I hope our allies won't abandon us over Trump.

[cakewench]

Mar 28, 2019 10:56:34 GMT -6 milano said:

Mar 28, 2019 8:03:21 GMT -6 roloma said:

I watched that Daily Show clip two times last night. I loved it. The skeleton bit killed me dead.

I watched it while drinking coffee and I dribbled a bit. Hilarious!

"Pete Buttag, the mayor of Indianapolis" 😆

Chasten makes it easy for everyone:

[hawkeye2015]

Chasten Buttigieg Is Winning the 2020 Spouse Primary
www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2019/03/29/pete-buttigieg-husband-chasten-226335?__twitter_impression=true

[jaygee]

This interview (which oddly is a month old but I’m just now seeing it circulated) with Mayor Pete is getting some rage attention from CA folks. I think the criticism is OTT since he didn’t even use the term “coastal elites”, the reporter did, but just something to watch as this is a tension point. Just like candidates from CA and NY have to be careful of how they speak to voters from other parts of the country, he’ll have to as well.

Overall outside from that one minor point (which was literally less than 30 seconds), it’s another good Mayor Pete interview.

[sweetpea]

It 2 of my favorite things in one

[richard]

😬

[dc2london]

Mar 29, 2019 11:54:04 GMT -6 sweetpea said:

It 2 of my favorite things in one

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[dc2london]

Compelling thread re: Kamala's truancy initiative

[dc2london]

Oh, good, the liberal outrage against Mayor Pete he started 🙄

[Dr. Cox]

Why is Bill Maher still a thing? I see he went after Mayor Pete and I’m just so over his bullshit

[blurnette989]

Mar 30, 2019 7:51:03 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Compelling thread re: Kamala's truancy initiative

This is good perspective.

[ldubhawksfan]

Apparently Warren was in my hometown yesterday and went to my old employer/restaurant. According to my friend who is manager, she was really rude and just using it as a photo opt. Didn’t get permission to take pictures of staff or patrons.

[sweetpea]

Mar 30, 2019 7:55:31 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oh, good, the liberal outrage against Mayor Pete he started 🙄

This is what will make Democrats lose the election - we just keep eating our own. I mean he voted for Hillary. And He has a point, there was a lot of voters who felt Trump (despite his many many flaws) got them more than Hillary.  The outrage for this, coastal elites, and CFA are just eye rolling and it would be for any other candidate. 

[bunnyfungo]

I’ll admit that I haven’t had the time to follow what all of the hopefuls are doing, but I hope they are talking to Iowa about what they plan to do about this fucking flooding. My house in Nebraska was 1 mile from the Missouri River. Because of topographical luck, our side of the river only flooded a mile or so inland, but just across the border (I can see it from my house!) was devastated. So there are going to be A LOT of rural voters in Iowa wondering wtf these politicians plan to do for them come election time. I hope they are addressing that.

[dc2london]

Mar 30, 2019 12:01:37 GMT -6 ldubhawksfan said:

Apparently Warren was in my hometown yesterday and went to my old employer/restaurant. According to my friend who is manager, she was really rude and just using it as a photo opt. Didn’t get permission to take pictures of staff or patrons.

This is disappointing. I've always found her warm and friendly.

[greykitty]

I believe sweetpea is correct in her reading. And Democrats are going to hand the election to Trump.

[greykitty]

Because I don't think it's a discredited narrative and I'm seeing as much bias, tribalism, 'identity politics', and refusal to deal with reality among many in the party as I do in the Trump-side of the Republican party.

I don't expect people to like my opinion.

[ldubhawksfan]

Mar 30, 2019 16:56:47 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Mar 30, 2019 12:01:37 GMT -6 ldubhawksfan said:

Apparently Warren was in my hometown yesterday and went to my old employer/restaurant. According to my friend who is manager, she was really rude and just using it as a photo opt. Didn’t get permission to take pictures of staff or patrons.

This is disappointing. I've always found her warm and friendly.

I was disappointed to hear this first hand encounter too.

[dc2london]

@heartbot my natural inclination is to bristle toward any rehashing of 2016 but I will do some serious reflection on how I would respond to Pete's comments if they came from Bernie because your point has made me pause

[sweetpea]

Sorry - got stuck working - have I mentioned how much the new tax laws suck

For me it comes down to this: Rs put up a guy who can't tell the truth, had an affair with a porn star, and for all intents and purposes worked with Russia, and when he was the candidate they rallied behind him for the most part. We take our candidates and find every flaw and get our nose bent out of shape with every comment - I feel this is true for Kamala, Warren, Beto, etc also. The Rs don't have to do anything because we keep doing the dirty work for them.

This is going to be a long race, I just want to bask in the glow of all our good candidates without everything being a dealbreaker

[jkjacq]

Seth Moulton is also considering a run

[greykitty]

Maybe this was considered a given? Beto O'Rourke formally announced with three rallies in Texas yesterday.

[ladybrienne]

I think trump won in 2016 both because of economic anxieties and because of being a racist.

It can be both. There’s way too much to unpack and fucking a I’m just so ready to move forward. It’s like the nightmare that never ends.

[ladybrienne]

Also because people wanted an “outsider” which is.....so misinformed but that’s what they thought with trump. It’s sad.

[misspatty]

Huh. Well based on what I’m seeing in here, I’ll just start preparing now to lose again in 2020. We never learn. Hope 8 years of Trump is worth it!

[jkjacq]

Mar 31, 2019 8:14:16 GMT -6 ladybrienne said:

I think trump won in 2016 both because of economic anxieties and because of being a racist.

It can be both. There’s way too much to unpack and fucking a I’m just so ready to move forward. It’s like the nightmare that never ends.

I’m on this train. I think it’s both with misogyny thrown in

For all of Hilz economic policies, my experience here is a women don’t belong anywhere but at home and she couldn’t articulate to nonpolitically movitated people without making them feel stupid. (Obama hadthe same problem here).

Idaho ranks at the bottom of a lot of lists, wage growth, education and economic advantages. So in a lot of heads right or wrong there was fear. T played to that. Add in the R behind his name and the fact that he’s a got a narrative (untrue) of being self made. He connected on that base level.

We need to move past 2016. We need to move past the Hillary narrative.

[ladybrienne]

Mar 31, 2019 8:27:36 GMT -6 @heartbot said:

Mar 31, 2019 8:14:16 GMT -6 ladybrienne said:

I think trump won in 2016 both because of economic anxieties and because of being a racist.

It can be both. There’s way too much to unpack and fucking a I’m just so ready to move forward. It’s like the nightmare that never ends.

It's not both, though, and it's not too much to unpack. We can't just pretend all this shit didn't happen and isn't still happening.

I am just...if this is where this board is collectively in 2019, after slogging through the shitshow of the 2016 election together and despairing over "BUILD THE WALL!" and Thanksgiving dinners where our family member showed their whole racist asses and watching on incredulously as Hillary caught more flack from the media for emails than Trump did for running a campaign that was essentially one long KKK rally, where we will placidly accept "Hillary lost because she didn't care enough about the economy" from a white dude because he's palatable and non-threatening, and we just don't want to think about how horrifying it is that a substantial portion of the country continues to cheerlead Trump's racist policies or have the courage to connect the dots between all of this and the rise of white supremacist terrorist groups and hate crimes, I'm out of here.

I am honestly so disappointed in this entire conversation.

I think you are being extremely rude right now and not listening to what anyone else has to say. Which to me is quite sad because there is obviously a lot of truth to trump being elected because of racism. Yes absolutely. One hundred percent - I am with you there. But to ignore any other factor is in my opinion, not smart, and does not put me in a box that panders to white supremacy and that I have my head in the sand and still talks to racist family members at thanksgiving.

We have lost a shit ton of jobs to automation, and not many politicians talk about that. This is a huge issue. Trump took one issue and tied racism into it, by saying we were losing jobs to Mexico. No, we are losing jobs to automation. So yes, in my opinion, there is a lot to unpack and that doesn’t make me a piece of shit person who isn’t terrified that migrants are literally being held in a fence under a bridge in Texas while we all bicker.

Full fucking stop

[misspatty]

Mar 31, 2019 8:27:36 GMT -6 @heartbot said:

Mar 31, 2019 8:14:16 GMT -6 ladybrienne said:

I think trump won in 2016 both because of economic anxieties and because of being a racist.

It can be both. There’s way too much to unpack and fucking a I’m just so ready to move forward. It’s like the nightmare that never ends.

It's not both, though, and it's not too much to unpack. We can't just pretend all this shit didn't happen and isn't still happening.

I am just...if this is where this board is collectively in 2019, after slogging through the shitshow of the 2016 election together and despairing over "BUILD THE WALL!" and Thanksgiving dinners where our family member showed their whole racist asses and watching on incredulously as Hillary caught more flack from the media for emails than Trump did for running a campaign that was essentially one long KKK rally, where we will placidly accept "Hillary lost because she didn't care enough about the economy" from a white dude because he's palatable and non-threatening, and we just don't want to think about how horrifying it is that a substantial portion of the country continues to cheerlead Trump's racist policies or have the courage to connect the dots between all of this and the rise of white supremacist terrorist groups and hate crimes, I'm out of here.

I am honestly so disappointed in this entire conversation.

You’re not actually listening to what people are saying and jumping to an 11 out of the gate, per usual. Shit like this is the reason we basically got banished to our own board and most of HIH won’t come here. Good lord, get a grip.

[jaygee]

But economic anxiety is not unique to the Midwest or white people.

Black woman have economic anxiety and they didn’t vote for Trump.

[jaygee]

I think this is an important conversation and push back to have and I’m not sure why we are pushing back on a dissenting view.

To me we have to push for the very best candidate. If we don’t do that during the primary time we will have really done a disservice to our chance to win. In 2016 the complaint was that their was a “chosen” candidate and we didn’t get a chance to vet the best candidate and now we have that chance and we are going to be thin skinned about criticism of anyone running?