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Post by leatherpants on Apr 12, 2018 10:40:52 GMT -6
And then get told we are "stealing" their jobs. (Not something I'm going to debate as yes or no, just another facet of "the divide") Exactly! And then when you say you're going east, they ask where in Ontario you're going. Ontario is east though. I have this “debate” with my Ottawa-born and raised SO all the time. All in good fun.
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Post by Tlex on Apr 12, 2018 10:40:59 GMT -6
I can tell you growing up the anger from a lot of east coasters towards the west was based in poverty. In the best school in the city they didn't have texts books, proper heat, chairs with stable legs, rodents would run across the floor, asbestos everywhere... it was pretty dire when I was in school there. When I moved to a school in Ontario I was blown away by what students there took for granted. Ontario was as being very elite and classist towards all other provinces, and the east felt like a pawn in their election games. I can't speak to what attitudes are prevalent now. This is just what I encountered growing up. Could have been a very biased experience.
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Post by Tlex on Apr 12, 2018 10:41:44 GMT -6
Exactly! And then when you say you're going east, they ask where in Ontario you're going. Ontario is east though. I have this “debate” with my Ottawa-born and raised SO all the time. All in good fun. GLARE
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Post by Tlex on Apr 12, 2018 10:43:51 GMT -6
Like small town Ontario is charming farms, very rural, nothing to write more than a postcard about.
In rural Nova Scotia there are people living in tar paper shacks, no electricity or plumbing. There are obviously many who are doing just fine and quaint small tourist towns that paint a beautiful picture, but some of the rural poverty there is absolutely dire.
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Post by leatherpants on Apr 12, 2018 10:43:55 GMT -6
I can tell you growing up the anger from a lot of east coasters towards the west was based in poverty. In the best school in the city they didn't have texts books, proper heat, chairs with stable legs, rodents would run across the floor, asbestos everywhere... it was pretty dire when I was in school there. When I moved to a school in Ontario I was blown away by what students there took for granted. Ontario was as being very elite and classist towards all other provinces, and the east felt like a pawn in their election games. I can't speak to what attitudes are prevalent now. This is just what I encountered growing up. Could have been a very biased experience. So we can all agree that Ontario is the worst. I’m kidding of course. Except for Toronto
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Post by Tlex on Apr 12, 2018 10:45:37 GMT -6
I can tell you growing up the anger from a lot of east coasters towards the west was based in poverty. In the best school in the city they didn't have texts books, proper heat, chairs with stable legs, rodents would run across the floor, asbestos everywhere... it was pretty dire when I was in school there. When I moved to a school in Ontario I was blown away by what students there took for granted. Ontario was as being very elite and classist towards all other provinces, and the east felt like a pawn in their election games. I can't speak to what attitudes are prevalent now. This is just what I encountered growing up. Could have been a very biased experience. So we can all agree that Ontario is the worst. I’m kidding of course. Except for Toronto I have a long way to go before I can open my heart to toronto 😜 jk Toronto we know you're great...we know.
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Post by catladymeow on Apr 12, 2018 10:56:06 GMT -6
As a former Torontonian, there is very few redeeming qualities. Unless you are rich. Then I am sure it is awesome.
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Post by CestLaVie on Apr 12, 2018 11:20:27 GMT -6
As a former Torontonian, there is very few redeeming qualities. Unless you are rich. Then I am sure it is awesome. Speaking of rich Toronto, did anyone else get into Real Housewives of Toronto?! So good haha.
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Post by vino on Apr 12, 2018 11:31:34 GMT -6
swim You post is exactly why we're trying to avoid a posting, MH is military, to Gagetown. I wouldn't be able to find a job and the animosity between Anglophones and Francophones is not something I'd want to be a part of. We've already decided that if he gets posted there, he's going alone. what do you do for work? I speak almost no french and managed to find a job just fine in Fredericton, it's majority English speaking in private sector, only government public facing jobs require French, even the shopping mall is almost all English speaking. Don't write off going to Gagetown, but if you do go don't live in Oromocto, go to Fredericton. It's a beautiful little city with a lot going for it. I was very happy there for 7 years, the only reason we moved was lack of job opportunities in MH field I work with the provincial government, so matched if not more than MH salary, pension, good benefits, growth potential etc, so the risk would be too high to leave. Sorry, my post did sound like it was just the language that would stop me, but it's more what I'd be giving up here to move there for a short period of time.
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Post by misskilljoy on Apr 12, 2018 12:12:51 GMT -6
I only ever want to visit Toronto. It's nice the two or three times a year that I visit. By the end of my stay, I always want to go home. I find it exhausting.
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Post by regal on Apr 12, 2018 12:20:23 GMT -6
I only ever want to visit Toronto. It's nice the two or three times a year that I visit. By the end of my stay, I always want to go home. I find it exhausting. This is pretty much how I feel about Ottawa, except that it's dull. I lived there for ten months and was counting down the days to get out. I like Toronto because there are so many neighbourhoods and each has their own little microcosm of life. I grew up in the west end of the city and it feels so strange to cross to the other side, it's like a whole different place.
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Post by misskilljoy on Apr 12, 2018 12:24:28 GMT -6
I only ever want to visit Toronto. It's nice the two or three times a year that I visit. By the end of my stay, I always want to go home. I find it exhausting. This is pretty much how I feel about Ottawa, except that it's dull. I lived there for ten months and was counting down the days to get out. I like Toronto because there are so many neighbourhoods and each has their own little microcosm of life. I grew up in the west end of the city and it feels so strange to cross to the other side, it's like a whole different place. I lead an incredibly dull life, so suburban Ottawa is perfect for me. XD I admittedly only ever visit the downtown core of Toronto. I acknowledge this is why it's so exhausting to me - downtown never seems to turn off. One day I'll visit and have more time for exploring, but my regular visits are pretty tightly scheduled.
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Post by emma on Apr 12, 2018 12:35:12 GMT -6
what do you do for work? I speak almost no french and managed to find a job just fine in Fredericton, it's majority English speaking in private sector, only government public facing jobs require French, even the shopping mall is almost all English speaking. Don't write off going to Gagetown, but if you do go don't live in Oromocto, go to Fredericton. It's a beautiful little city with a lot going for it. I was very happy there for 7 years, the only reason we moved was lack of job opportunities in MH field I work with the provincial government, so matched if not more than MH salary, pension, good benefits, growth potential etc, so the risk would be too high to leave. Sorry, my post did sound like it was just the language that would stop me, but it's more what I'd be giving up here to move there for a short period of time. fair enough, i know provincial government jobs are like gold for benefits and pension plan. I knew people in NB that hated their govt job but refused to give it up because it was such a sweet deal
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Post by emma on Apr 12, 2018 12:36:54 GMT -6
I only ever want to visit Toronto. It's nice the two or three times a year that I visit. By the end of my stay, I always want to go home. I find it exhausting. my sister used to live there so i'd visit fairly often. And with the exception of a few cool touristy places and proximity to Niagara wineries, i find it incredibly meh. Not somewhere i'd choose to live
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Post by jorkzy on Apr 12, 2018 12:41:22 GMT -6
I'll add to the Alberta vs the East discussion that there was a Liberal (I use big L here as one party is name the Liberal Party) government in the early 80s that passed legislation that essentially shut down the economy for energy in the west. A lot of people walked away from their homes as interest rates shot up (even as high as 28% on mortgages), houses literally sat empty and folks just disappeared. It took a very long time for the economy here to recover and older folks (our parents age) are still very bitter about it. Add that to the transfer payment situation and the awkwardly balanced representation and people tend to vote "Progressive Conservative" even if their values are "small l liberal" I would not classify Calgary as the "Texas" of Canada beyond the oil and cattle industry. I find the people to be much more diverse, open minded and not so biblical as was suggested by an earlier poster. I mean...see also Alberta posters on this board who's neighbours fly American confederate flags. Those were huge stereotypes and generalizations for sure though. There's some of everything everywhere. Those were my neighbours and I feel they were an isolated case of ignorant assholes. There's not like confederate flags flying every block.
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Post by jorkzy on Apr 12, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -6
I'm not normally a GD poster, but I'm loving this thread. Hi from Nova Scotia! One other thing to consider in the east / west issue, is that there are 4 more provinces east of Quebec. A lot of people travel from the Atlantic provinces to northern Alberta to work, and leave their families on the east coast. This has created a bit of a mini east coast up there, but it is a fly in economy. Typically it is 2 weeks of work or more, with 1 or 2 weeks home. You know what they say - the biggest city in Newfoundland is Fort McMurray, AB.
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Post by misskilljoy on Apr 12, 2018 12:44:53 GMT -6
I mean...see also Alberta posters on this board who's neighbours fly American confederate flags. Those were huge stereotypes and generalizations for sure though. There's some of everything everywhere. Those were my neighbours and I feel they were an isolated case of ignorant assholes. There's not like confederate flags flying every block. Meanwhile in rural Ontario there might as well be. Rural Canada is just conservative in general, which is easy to forget because most Canadians live in the big cities.
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Post by CestLaVie on Apr 12, 2018 13:16:10 GMT -6
I'm not normally a GD poster, but I'm loving this thread. Hi from Nova Scotia! One other thing to consider in the east / west issue, is that there are 4 more provinces east of Quebec. A lot of people travel from the Atlantic provinces to northern Alberta to work, and leave their families on the east coast. This has created a bit of a mini east coast up there, but it is a fly in economy. Typically it is 2 weeks of work or more, with 1 or 2 weeks home. You know what they say - the biggest city in Newfoundland is Fort McMurray, AB. Ah yes. Half of my employees for up north are from the east coast
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Post by leatherpants on Apr 12, 2018 14:03:08 GMT -6
I mean...see also Alberta posters on this board who's neighbours fly American confederate flags. Those were huge stereotypes and generalizations for sure though. There's some of everything everywhere. Those were my neighbours and I feel they were an isolated case of ignorant assholes. There's not like confederate flags flying every block. My dayhome has one too (eta a confederate flag waving neighbour) and it was definitely a wtf thing. Not that people aren’t racist in other ways, here there and everywhere of course. I severely judge the intelligence of the person that lives there.
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Post by August Blooms on Apr 12, 2018 14:37:51 GMT -6
Does anyone remember these guys who made a documentary about a fake Toronto appreciation day?
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Post by swim on Apr 12, 2018 17:20:25 GMT -6
My sister lives in Toronto. I loved the shopping there. But I found it too fast paced. I'm a fast walker in general, but I practically had to jog to keep up with my sister and stay out of people's way.
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Post by Bubblegum on Apr 12, 2018 18:42:32 GMT -6
Hi this thread is the best and is giving me life right now. Also Toronto is the best.
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Post by bethypoo83 on Apr 12, 2018 19:13:30 GMT -6
I’ve had the absolute pleasure of visiting all of the provinces and all of Canada’s major cities. Haven’t been to any of the territories but would if I had the opportunity.
I live halfway between Toronto and Muskoka; love me some central Ontario life but if I could live anywhere in this big beautiful beast of a country, hands-down it would be Newfoundland. Amazing people, unbelievable scenery. It is so phenomenal.
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Post by bethypoo83 on Apr 12, 2018 19:15:11 GMT -6
Does anyone remember these guys who made a documentary about a fake Toronto appreciation day? Strombo is a national treasure. And a super nice guy IRL.
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Post by misskilljoy on Apr 12, 2018 19:23:34 GMT -6
Does anyone remember these guys who made a documentary about a fake Toronto appreciation day? Strombo is a national treasure. And a super nice guy IRL. I had the biggest crush on him in high school. Such a fangirl.
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Post by August Blooms on Apr 12, 2018 19:25:53 GMT -6
Does anyone remember these guys who made a documentary about a fake Toronto appreciation day? Strombo is a national treasure. And a super nice guy IRL. I’ve loved him since he was on The Edge, he’s such an amazing interviewer. I miss him on tv.
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Post by bethypoo83 on Apr 12, 2018 20:11:59 GMT -6
Strombo is a national treasure. And a super nice guy IRL. I’ve loved him since he was on The Edge, he’s such an amazing interviewer. I miss him on tv. He does a new show, House of Strombo, on YouTube. Mostly centred around music but last week he had a great interview with John Krasinski about his new movie. It was a really good conversation.
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Post by August Blooms on Apr 13, 2018 11:55:19 GMT -6
I’ve loved him since he was on The Edge, he’s such an amazing interviewer. I miss him on tv. He does a new show, House of Strombo, on YouTube. Mostly centred around music but last week he had a great interview with John Krasinski about his new movie. It was a really good conversation. I follow him on twitter and for some reason I thought this was audio only. Thanks!
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Post by 45thparallel on Apr 15, 2018 5:17:22 GMT -6
Tlex, your post about Ottawa hit everything I like about Ottawa, except shawarma. I would move to Alberta for some fucking shawarma. Sams on 10th st is by far the best I’ve ever had. Mmmm.
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Post by valiente on Apr 15, 2018 6:37:49 GMT -6
My sister lives in Toronto. I loved the shopping there. But I found it too fast paced. I'm a fast walker in general, but I practically had to jog to keep up with my sister and stay out of people's way. This made me lol. I worked in Toronto for about a year and a half and MH still calls it my “Toronto walk” when I pick up the pace.
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