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Post by Nonniedee on Feb 5, 2018 21:47:38 GMT -6
I think y’all missing the point of what Nonnie is saying. Kylie is a rich IG thot. Without money she would be an IG thot. Yes ma'am
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Post by Nonniedee on Feb 5, 2018 21:49:01 GMT -6
If Kylie didn’t have Kardashian money, nothing about her life would be remotely the same. She wouldn’t be famous. She wouldn’t know Travis Scott. She wouldn’t be instagram rich. She would probably be in college and get plastered at football games. I don’t understand the idea that without money she’d just be a teen mom. Without money she would be a totally different person, so? Also, I teach 16 year olds all day long. There’s a huge maturity gap between them and the seniors. There’s absolutely a world of difference between a 16 year old and. 20 year old. Now, I don’t even like Kylie so stop making me WK her! Literally the only factor I took away was money. You're saying she has that personality because she's rich? Her values come from being wealthy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 21:49:08 GMT -6
I think y’all missing the point of what Nonnie is saying. Kylie is a rich IG thot. Without money she would be an IG thot. Yes ma'am I can see what you are saying with this sentiment but can you also see what I’m saying with the sentiment that without money she would just be a completely different person? We are arguing on two different planes because we are both picturing completely different Kylie’s sans $$. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 21:50:25 GMT -6
If Kylie didn’t have Kardashian money, nothing about her life would be remotely the same. She wouldn’t be famous. She wouldn’t know Travis Scott. She wouldn’t be instagram rich. She would probably be in college and get plastered at football games. I don’t understand the idea that without money she’d just be a teen mom. Without money she would be a totally different person, so? Also, I teach 16 year olds all day long. There’s a huge maturity gap between them and the seniors. There’s absolutely a world of difference between a 16 year old and. 20 year old. Now, I don’t even like Kylie so stop making me WK her! Literally the only factor I took away was money. You're saying she has that personality because she's rich? Her values come from being wealthy? I know you’re not asking me big yes to al. I don’t think you can just take away money. It’s in the fiber of her being. She was born this way.
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Post by lizblue on Feb 5, 2018 21:52:02 GMT -6
I think y’all missing the point of what Nonnie is saying. Kylie is a rich IG thot. Without money she would be an IG thot. Right. Like some of you are trying to speculate who Kylie would be in reality if she wasn’t who she is and that’s not the point. Take Kylie’s situation: young mom, IG model, vapid participant in anything meaningful, making money from reality tv, wealthy. Now minus the wealthy part. You’d be speaking much worse of her.
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Post by emma on Feb 5, 2018 21:52:17 GMT -6
Going back to the comparison to the Dugger girls and everyone feeling sad and icky about them dreaming of being a mom vs Kylie saying it not being icky - for me the difference is in the choice, Kylie had every opportunity laid out for her and that’s the choice she made so I’m ok with that. The Dugger girls don’t get that choice, they are brainwashed from go to believe having children and getting married is the only life for women
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Post by Nonniedee on Feb 5, 2018 21:53:54 GMT -6
Literally the only factor I took away was money. You're saying she has that personality because she's rich? Her values come from being wealthy? I know you’re not asking me big yes to al. I don’t think you can just take away money. It’s in the fiber of her being. She was born this way. Well then we disagree
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Post by Nonniedee on Feb 5, 2018 21:56:24 GMT -6
Right. Like some of you are trying to speculate who Kylie would be in reality if she wasn’t who she is and that’s not the point. Take Kylie’s situation: young mom, IG model, vapid participant in anything meaningful, making money from reality tv, wealthy. Now minus the wealthy part. You’d be speaking much worse of her. Let’s right this narrative all the way. Take away wealthy and make her a black girl looking for a come up. Let’s say.... Blacc Chyna. They are both doing the same thing. And there were quite a few judgments made on Blac's parenting soooo....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:01:42 GMT -6
Let’s right this narrative all the way. Take away wealthy and make her a black girl looking for a come up. Let’s say.... Blacc Chyna. They are both doing the same thing. And there were quite a few judgments made on Blac's parenting soooo.... I thought BC was known for being a pretty well involved/good mom overall? I don’t know I feel this went so many places I just can’t quite reach. My biggest issue was with the “icky” comments wrt Kylie/her motherhood aspiration. I hope she and all of the other mothers out there live their best lives. I’m ok agreeing to disagree on The Who/what/where/when of it all. I understand where most are coming from in the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:04:33 GMT -6
And ftr I don’t discount reality star as a career or IG model. It’s a reality of our times now that people can make the life they want doing those things. I respect the hustle.
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Post by Cher on Feb 5, 2018 22:08:31 GMT -6
Blinds confessions? I drove by the Motel 6 where Paola from 90 Day fiance was staying for the Super Bowl to try to run into her and invite her out for breakfast. I don’t even know who she is but there are layers of sad in this confession. .... says the girl DM’ing Amber Rose.
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Post by Nonniedee on Feb 5, 2018 22:10:38 GMT -6
And there were quite a few judgments made on Blac's parenting soooo.... I thought BC was known for being a pretty well involved/good mom overall? I don’t know I feel this went so many places I just can’t quite reach. My biggest issue was with the “icky” comments wrt Kylie/her motherhood aspiration. I hope she and all of the other mothers out there live their best lives. I’m ok agreeing to disagree on The Who/what/where/when of it all. I understand where most are coming from in the discussion. Nah she was torn apart here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:14:42 GMT -6
I thought BC was known for being a pretty well involved/good mom overall? I don’t know I feel this went so many places I just can’t quite reach. My biggest issue was with the “icky” comments wrt Kylie/her motherhood aspiration. I hope she and all of the other mothers out there live their best lives. I’m ok agreeing to disagree on The Who/what/where/when of it all. I understand where most are coming from in the discussion. Nah she was torn apart here ok, I missed that. I try to keep up but blinds threads are long. Her and robs situation is fucked up but I have not seen anything to indicate bad mom status so I don’t know about all of that.
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Post by Cher on Feb 5, 2018 22:18:33 GMT -6
I think y’all missing the point of what Nonnie is saying. Kylie is a rich IG thot. Without money she would be an IG thot. This is the crux of what I have been struggling with. At the heart of it, Kylie does it for the Gram. I can’t speculate what kind of mother she is going to be or whatever. I don’t know her like that. I will wait and see. But, I struggle with the “she never asked for this” and “she has anxiety and this is so hard for her” talk. Because ... ok? She should have scaled back on the social media years ago if that was the case. She should have kept the pregnancy quiet, rather than announcing the baby, an 11 minute documentary and some half naked Bump shots. And I don’t fault for her for that. I like the video! I like the pics! But you don’t get it both ways. You don’t get “poor Kylie she never wanted this” and “poor Kylie she never wanted this, I love her underwear shot with Khloe.” She could have gone the Rob route. But, I think, at her heart, she loves the attention too much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:26:03 GMT -6
Cher I see what you’re saying and it’s the biggest struggle I have with my feelings about celebrities in general. Like they have chosen a career that puts them in the spotlight and our collective obsession with their lives means almost zero privacy for them. But they chose that career so really how badly should we feel? But on the other hand, should someone with anxiety or whatever have to give up their career/passion and live in obscurity just to have a normal/private life, when it’s *us* making them the object of our voyueristic nature? I’m not sure. It’s a catch-22. ^^complicsted feels
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Post by Cher on Feb 5, 2018 22:26:33 GMT -6
November 6, 2017
This still A+ list mostly movie actress was ticked off this weekend at an award show. She had been told her A+ list ex would be attending. She went all out to make a good impression on him and he didn't show. Blew it off completely. Apparently he is still hanging out with the celebrity offspring actress he hooked up with the other night.
Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt/Dakota Johnson (who moved on to Chris Martin)
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Post by Cher on Feb 5, 2018 22:31:39 GMT -6
Cher I see what you’re saying and it’s the biggest struggle I have with my feelings about celebrities in general. Like they have chosen a career that puts them in the spotlight and our collective obsession with their lives means almost zero privacy for them. But they chose that career so really how badly should we feel? But on the other hand, should someone with anxiety or whatever have to give up their career/passion and live in obscurity just to have a normal/private life, when it’s *us* making them the object of our voyueristic nature? I’m not sure. It’s a catch-22. ^^complicsted feels But I think Kylie is a little different. She lives for social media. It’s not like saying to a celeb that they have to deal with the paparazzi when they get a bagel with their kid. Prior to Kylie’s pregnancy, she shared everything with social media. Maybe having a baby will change that, who knows. But it’s hard for me to feel bad for someone who complains about the attention she gets, when she literally spends her days inviting attention.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 22:36:43 GMT -6
Cher I see what you’re saying and it’s the biggest struggle I have with my feelings about celebrities in general. Like they have chosen a career that puts them in the spotlight and our collective obsession with their lives means almost zero privacy for them. But they chose that career so really how badly should we feel? But on the other hand, should someone with anxiety or whatever have to give up their career/passion and live in obscurity just to have a normal/private life, when it’s *us* making them the object of our voyueristic nature? I’m not sure. It’s a catch-22. ^^complicsted feels But I think Kylie is a little different. She lives for social media. It’s not like saying to a celeb that they have to deal with the paparazzi when they get a bagel with their kid. Prior to Kylie’s pregnancy, she shared everything with social media. Maybe having a baby will change that, who knows. But it’s hard for me to feel bad for someone who complains about the attention she gets, when she literally spends her days inviting attention. I dunno. I mean it’s her career. It’s what she knows. It’s what she’s good at. I think I really have trouble with the “if you don’t like it (or if it gives you anxiety), just quit/do something else.” It’s like saying you’re not allowed to complain during pregnancy because you asked for it, or you’re not allowed to bitch about your kids cause you asked for them. Or “if they don’t like the insurance plan offered at Hobby Lobby, they should just get a new job.” I think it’s ok for her to have feelings of both “I want some privacy” AND “I need to continue this for the sake of my career/wealth.”
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Post by miawallace on Feb 5, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -6
It wasn't like she was trying all that hard to keep all of it private. The kardashian Christmas card comes to mind. The season premier. The stringing the fans along the is she announcing? Is she pregnant? Is she Kim's surrogate?
She might not have posted a zillion pictures While she was pregnant, but she willingly participating in the storyline of it all. She knew it would be good for the show and her social media to keep people wondering. Which really, I don't feel bad for her either. don't believe her when she says she wanted to keep this private, because 9 months later, the pregnancy isn't private after all. Hence that 11 minute doc.
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Post by miawallace on Feb 5, 2018 22:41:15 GMT -6
I had to edit that beause I wrote all that without my reading glasses.
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Post by Taitai on Feb 5, 2018 22:43:29 GMT -6
Hmm...I'm late to the game, as always, but I just want to send a thank you to Cher for your thoughtful comments regarding the nanny/help thing. I can identify with that. I'm an executive and nannies/help is the norm in the country where I live. I get judged by my family in the states (esp the conservative/born-again Christians) for it all the time. Lots of comments that I'm not a "real mom" or I can't "handle motherhood," because I have help. Salmon's comment definitely made me feel crappy, but I guess I've just gotten used to that kind of judgement. I know I'm a good mom.
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Post by enchanted on Feb 5, 2018 22:56:41 GMT -6
John Mahoney (Martin from 'Frasier') died yesterday.
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Post by thatgolfb on Feb 5, 2018 23:15:58 GMT -6
Anybody hating on her for having help is stupid. Does her having 800 nannies/night nurses/helpers or whatever, mean she isn’t raising her daughter? No of course not! Does having all of those things make having a new baby EASIER? Of course it does! Easy? Nope. But easier, yes. I don’t begrudge her or judge her for that help in any way shape or form but an average 20 year old having a baby is in for a much rougher ride than a 20 year old that can afford the extra assistance. Celebs and people in general have all sorts of different levels of help, which yea I do think technically determines whether or not they are raising their child. I read an article once about a Manhattan businesswoman, I can't remember if she was like the CEO of Pepsi or whatever company it was. But she said she sees her daughter for 20 minutes per day. To me, no that's not considered raising your child. I am also not saying this applies to Kylie, since she's wanted to be a mom forever, I don't see her level of help being anywhere near that. Oh boy.
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Post by thatgolfb on Feb 5, 2018 23:23:32 GMT -6
I would just like to add that DS1 turned 4 last week and I would like to know where I sign up to see him for only 20 minutes a day...because so far 4 is kinda bitch slapping me in the face😒 This is a joke I love my kid....I just don’t like him a whole heck of a lot right now. Mine turns 4 this week and my God, the attitude.
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Post by hardlyluck on Feb 5, 2018 23:27:29 GMT -6
I would just like to add that DS1 turned 4 last week and I would like to know where I sign up to see him for only 20 minutes a day...because so far 4 is kinda bitch slapping me in the face😒 This is a joke I love my kid....I just don’t like him a whole heck of a lot right now. Mine turns 4 this week and my God, the attitude. The attitude is something to behold that’s for sure🤦♀️. How’s your DD liking being a big sister?!
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Post by McBenny on Feb 5, 2018 23:28:46 GMT -6
I think y’all missing the point of what Nonnie is saying. Kylie is a rich IG thot. Without money she would be an IG thot. This is the crux of what I have been struggling with. At the heart of it, Kylie does it for the Gram. I can’t speculate what kind of mother she is going to be or whatever. I don’t know her like that. I will wait and see. But, I struggle with the “she never asked for this” and “she has anxiety and this is so hard for her” talk. Because ... ok? She should have scaled back on the social media years ago if that was the case. She should have kept the pregnancy quiet, rather than announcing the baby, an 11 minute documentary and some half naked Bump shots. And I don’t fault for her for that. I like the video! I like the pics! But you don’t get it both ways. You don’t get “poor Kylie she never wanted this” and “poor Kylie she never wanted this, I love her underwear shot with Khloe.” She could have gone the Rob route. But, I think, at her heart, she loves the attention too much. this is what I tried to say this morning. If you wanted to go private then be private. Don't drag the shit out release an announcement on superbowl Sunday with baby special kuwk episode I'm sure and everyone saying squeeze "I loves how she kept it private." why show bump pics now? And again yes I will look cause I'm nosy and I really don't care what she does but the "oh I respect her choice" narrative was grating my nerves. We knew she was pregnant! There were pics! We knew when her baby shower was! I knew the dress code and we knew she was having a girl! Hello people!
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Post by emma on Feb 5, 2018 23:32:16 GMT -6
John Mahoney (Martin from 'Frasier') died yesterday. I’m really sad about this
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Post by McBenny on Feb 5, 2018 23:34:44 GMT -6
I also feel in my heart she didn't hide because of some moral reasons. She wanted to control the images and not have cellulite butt pics or sole pics like they did Kim so she hid. She's not the first celebrity to hide in latter parts of pregnancy and won't be the last.
I feel it was vanity and not privacy.
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Post by thatgolfb on Feb 5, 2018 23:45:09 GMT -6
Mine turns 4 this week and my God, the attitude. The attitude is something to behold that’s for sure🤦♀️. How’s your DD liking being a big sister?! She is the BEST big sister. Like, I'm blown away at how much she dotes on her little sis. That is actually one thing she never has attitude about, haha.
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Feb 6, 2018 6:04:15 GMT -6
late to the game but....if i could afford more help with my kids i would jump on it. No judgement for people with money taking advantage of what they have. I also feel it's not fair to judge what type of mom Kylie will be - everyone is condemning her before we even see what kind of mom she will be. If you judge off the fact that she put her baby and herself first during her pregnancy then I'd say she's going to do just fine as a mom.
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