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Post by dapostrophe on Jan 12, 2018 14:42:49 GMT -6
I'm kinda Team No Homework...ever. I see how burnt out my kids are after school, both my kindergartener and my freshman, and I remember what that was like. It's a lot of brain power to demand all day and night. I've read some articles, that I'm too lazy to dig up, on how homework is an in effective learning tool and a huge time/energy suck for both the students and the teachers without a whole lot of benefits. I'm sure these were scholarly scientific articles, you guise. Obvi. I played with the idea my last three years teaching HS English. I gave formative assignments that were optional. I'd happily meet with kids, talk about the work, but didn't care if it came in and they were never assessed for a grade. There were summative assignments that the formative assignments built up to. Those were mandatory. It was up to the kids to decide what they needed to do in order to get to that summative piece. MH is even a little more hard-core than that. He teaches in an entirely grade-less classroom. See...I think that approach teaches accountability, time management, and kind of a real world "sink or swim" aspect that is important for kids getting ready to transition to adulthood. What did you think about that approach vs. how you had done things previously? And how does your H measure comprehension? My high-schooler has block scheduling so his classes are 90 minutes long. I figure anything he can't accomplish in class should be homework, of course, because that's up to him how he wants to manage his time. But if he busts his ass in class and works with the teacher while they are available, it is reasonable that he should enjoy a homework free evening.
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Post by cagoldi on Jan 12, 2018 14:53:27 GMT -6
I'm LOLing so hard at Norway's response to Rump's "shithole country" comment.
"Of course people from Norway would love to move to a country where they're more likely to be shot, live in poverty, get no healthcare because they're poor, get no paid or parental leave and see fewer women in power."
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Post by lahdeedah on Jan 12, 2018 14:56:59 GMT -6
Also team no homework here. M’s school doesn’t send it, but I’m baffled here in this town. I’ve heard from multiple moms in different schools in the area, from 4th grade to high school, that their kids brings home 2-4 hours of homework most nights. WTH? I can’t wrap my head around 4 hours of homework on any night. I know we won’t be here forever, so it I’m not worried, but I was wondering if this is the norm in other places, too.
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 14:58:15 GMT -6
dapostrophe, it took a while for kids to see the benefit of it and that was challenging. Some of them needed to do all of the smaller assignments to be ready, some none, but it forced them to be metacognitive about who they are as students. If I were to go back to teaching I would absolutely teach within that same philosophy. Mh created a profile-based system built around key skills and traits (collaboration, communication, assiduousness, amenability, critical thinking, etc). The kids are assessed every three weeks on their process, body of work progress, and their metacognition, but nothing is overtly graded. ETA: it's far more comprehensive than this little paragraph explains. Kids get feedback on everything they do. They are not simply left to their own devices. His school doesn't have blocks, yet. Still 45 minutes, but he he teaches a version of the flipped classroom he calls the interstitial classroom. All of the lessons are online in longform writing (they have to see good writing to be good writers) to continually reference as a resource. That way he's able to use the in class time to work with students in groups or individually.
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Post by lfig on Jan 12, 2018 14:59:37 GMT -6
I had a class in HS where the teacher said we needed 1000 points for an A, 900 for a B, and so on and so forth. Then he put optional assignments and tests out with each chapter. Some were worth more points, some less. It was up to us to choose what to complete to get points and earn our grade. I really liked that method. A) because it was different than what we were used to. B) because it put the responsibility in our hand and gave us a choice instead of something being shoved down our throats.
My nieces and nephew go to a private catholic grade school. They get homework assigned on Mondays only. They have till Friday to complete it.
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 15:01:41 GMT -6
klong11 aka The Finder of All Things M is currently obsessed with The Jungle Book and she wants the old animated one. I can only find it at Barnes and Noble for $17. Can you find it anywhere else for less than that? I'm really cheap...
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 15:10:43 GMT -6
I had a class in HS where the teacher said we needed 1000 points for an A, 900 for a B, and so on and so forth. Then he put optional assignments and tests out with each chapter. Some were worth more points, some less. It was up to us to choose what to complete to get points and earn our grade. I really liked that method. A) because it was different than what we were used to. B) because it put the responsibility in our hand and gave us a choice instead of something being shoved down our throats. . I would've liked this in high school, too. Anything that could give me control over something is right up my alley
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 15:11:14 GMT -6
klong11 aka The Finder of All Things M is currently obsessed with The Jungle Book and she wants the old animated one. I can only find it at Barnes and Noble for $17. Can you find it anywhere else for less than that? I'm really cheap... I didn't look, but do you think you could find it on YouTube?
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Post by dapostrophe on Jan 12, 2018 15:15:32 GMT -6
guster Thanks for taking the time to explain. I love these creative approaches to what I think is key: engagement...and also wholistic assessment. I know there are district standards and lesson plans can be fairly inflexible, so I appreciate teachers who push to do things "outside the box" like you and your H.
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 15:16:49 GMT -6
guster Thanks for taking the time to explain. I love these creative approaches to what I think is key: engagement...and also wholistic assessment. I know there are district standards and lesson plans can be fairly inflexible, so I appreciate teachers who push to do things "outside the box" like you and your H. Anytime. Quite honestly that is one of the biggest pieces of teaching that I miss. With the exception of MH I don't get to talk about the stuff very much.
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Post by klong11 on Jan 12, 2018 15:23:13 GMT -6
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 15:46:37 GMT -6
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Post by klong11 on Jan 12, 2018 15:47:59 GMT -6
I don't think letting them color a picture on their own and giving them a specific "homework" sheet to color of a lion and then going on to explain that lion starts with L, which makes the Laa sound is really much different. In both instances they are coloring, one they are just hearing more information about what they are coloring. To be honest even if they are coloring on their own I would question them about what exactly they are coloring, what colors they are using, and what specific things in the picture start with.
However, the instances some of you are talking about with hours of homework at higher levels seems a bit extreme. I never had that in high school, most of it was "whatever you didn't finish in class" types of things.
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Post by chrisy01 on Jan 12, 2018 15:54:19 GMT -6
klong11 aka The Finder of All Things M is currently obsessed with The Jungle Book and she wants the old animated one. I can only find it at Barnes and Noble for $17. Can you find it anywhere else for less than that? I'm really cheap... I think I have an extra copy. I'll let you know tomorrow for sure.
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Post by trtlcrzy on Jan 12, 2018 15:55:52 GMT -6
Sending home a coloring or tracing sheet that is optional to me isn’t homework. That just sounds like extra practice. I guess I would consider it homework if it was required to be returned and graded.
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Post by chrisy01 on Jan 12, 2018 15:56:40 GMT -6
chrisy01 love Emma! I've never heard jubilee as a name so I'm not sure how I feel about that, but if you love it, go for it! I'm not 100% in love with the mn but if it's what dh will accept so I can have Emma then I'm good with it.
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 15:57:42 GMT -6
chrisy01 love Emma! I've never heard jubilee as a name so I'm not sure how I feel about that, but if you love it, go for it! I'm not 100% in love with the mn but if it's what dh will accept so I can have Emma then I'm good with it. I think Emma is a beautiful name. Does jubilee have some special meaning to YH?
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Post by chrisy01 on Jan 12, 2018 15:57:47 GMT -6
Lo likes to do his homework so I'm not upset over it. It would be different if it was every day thing
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Post by chrisy01 on Jan 12, 2018 16:02:38 GMT -6
I'm not 100% in love with the mn but if it's what dh will accept so I can have Emma then I'm good with it. I think Emma is a beautiful name. Does jubilee have some special meaning to YH? Nope. The guys in the office decided to name the baby that and then dh liked it. So I added that
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Post by cagoldi on Jan 12, 2018 16:04:37 GMT -6
Today I had:
A green smoothie, granola with blueberries, leftover panzanella and stuffed shells, sourdough toast, and Mint N Chip ice cream.
It's only 2 and I'm starving.
I'll weigh 250 pounds by the time I have this baby.
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Post by wineallthetime on Jan 12, 2018 16:25:45 GMT -6
chrisy01 love Emma! I've never heard jubilee as a name so I'm not sure how I feel about that, but if you love it, go for it! I'm not 100% in love with the mn but if it's what dh will accept so I can have Emma then I'm good with it. Haha, that's how L got her first name. It wasn't my favorite, but I really wanted a girl we could call Lou (or Lue in our case) so I went with it!
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 16:38:24 GMT -6
I'm not 100% in love with the mn but if it's what dh will accept so I can have Emma then I'm good with it. Haha, that's how L got her first name. It wasn't my favorite, but I really wanted a girl we could call Lou (or Lue in our case) so I went with it! Boys names for girls are just so cute. Does anybody remember an older show called Sisters? They all had boys's names Alex, Georgie, Teddy, and Frankie. A friend of the family's daughter loved the idea and named her children – all girls -- – Toni, Jonni, and Jorgi.
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 16:39:47 GMT -6
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 16:40:08 GMT -6
Haha, that's how L got her first name. It wasn't my favorite, but I really wanted a girl we could call Lou (or Lue in our case) so I went with it! Boys names for girls are just so cute. Does anybody remember an older show called sisters? They all had boys – Alex, Georgie, Teddy, and Frankie. OMG I LOVED SISTERS!
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 16:42:02 GMT -6
klong11 aka The Finder of All Things M is currently obsessed with The Jungle Book and she wants the old animated one. I can only find it at Barnes and Noble for $17. Can you find it anywhere else for less than that? I'm really cheap... I think I have an extra copy. I'll let you know tomorrow for sure. I already bought it. You're the sweetest though.
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 16:43:07 GMT -6
Boys names for girls are just so cute. Does anybody remember an older show called sisters? They all had boys – Alex, Georgie, Teddy, and Frankie. OMG I LOVED SISTERS! I wanted to tag you in it because I feel like you always love the old shows that I remember fondly. Did you like Thirty-something too?
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Post by tgrimes on Jan 12, 2018 16:59:07 GMT -6
I wanted to tag you in it because I feel like you always love the old shows that I remember fondly. Did you like Thirty-something too? YES!
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Post by flamingo on Jan 12, 2018 17:04:31 GMT -6
guster I haven't heard of that show, but those are cute names. We knew a Francesca who went by Frankie. It fit her and she was darling. I also know a toddler Georgina who goes by Georgie and I think that is cute, as well. In the south, back in our grandparents' day (and before), it was very common for the oldest child to have a boy name, no matter what. So you see a lot of older ladies named things like Billie, Tommie, etc. down here.
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Post by guster on Jan 12, 2018 17:04:49 GMT -6
I wanted to tag you in it because I feel like you always love the old shows that I remember fondly. Did you like Thirty-something too? YES! I want to pick your brain for 80s and 90s TV!
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Post by lfig on Jan 12, 2018 17:12:38 GMT -6
Boys names for girls are just so cute. Does anybody remember an older show called sisters? They all had boys – Alex, Georgie, Teddy, and Frankie. OMG I LOVED SISTERS! Me too!! It was a favorite of mine!
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