macic
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Post by macic on Jan 11, 2019 8:25:38 GMT -6
It looks like the houses sit back quite a bit. Maybe why it was easy to hid out for 3 months?
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catmom88
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Post by catmom88 on Jan 11, 2019 8:26:52 GMT -6
Will this be on network TV or can someone help me with a link please?
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Post by sherminator on Jan 11, 2019 8:29:08 GMT -6
So many people already speculating that she was involved. I’m combating this with she is 13 years old, and could not have known consequences even if involved in some way. If she ran, she saved herself. She’s a survivor- and it’s a damn miracle she’s alive either way. Unless she herself shot her mom and dad- I consider her an outright miracle.thankfully I have some car repairs scheduled so I can for once watch in real time. Being here in WI there is zero chance there will be anything else on tv
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brux
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Post by brux on Jan 11, 2019 8:30:26 GMT -6
The Patterson house is on that map. And then two houses down with "Forr J & Jeann Nutt" is "Aunt Jeanne" who found Jayme. And then two houses down from there is the house that the two of them went to call 911.
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brux
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Post by brux on Jan 11, 2019 8:32:21 GMT -6
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Jan 11, 2019 8:33:14 GMT -6
Is everyone set on this being an internet predator/star crossed lover scenario? My gut still says it's more about the parents or family. Like, they were mixed up in something big or bad and Jayme was collateral damage for a sicko who took part in the hit/revenge/whatever the killings were. My only evidence is that she is SO young. Shes 100% a victim no matter what but I can't wrap my head around her being involved with this 20-something, even online or as a fantasy.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2019 8:35:36 GMT -6
Is everyone set on this being an internet predator/star crossed lover scenario? My gut still says it's more about the parents or family. Like, they were mixed up in something big or bad and Jayme was collateral damage for a sicko who took part in the hit/revenge/whatever the killings were. My only evidence is that she is SO young. Shes 100% a victim no matter what but I can't wrap my head around her being involved with this 20-something, even online or as a fantasy. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more.
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2019 8:36:06 GMT -6
Ariel Castro held three women in a basement in a neighborhood of Cleveland for years. It's not hard to hold people prisoner if that's really what you want to do.
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Post by brux on Jan 11, 2019 8:37:17 GMT -6
I think it could be as innocent as Jayme interacted with this dude online in a purely non-sexual way.
It could've then been a completed surprise attack - that he knew where to find her and grabbed her. Or that he sold her a "let's run away" fantasy that isn't sexual from a 13 YO's perspective, but really romantic.
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Post by mathlete on Jan 11, 2019 8:37:40 GMT -6
So the Jacob she was with is a brother to the Erik that has been convicted of Sexual assault?
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Post by lucylou on Jan 11, 2019 8:38:49 GMT -6
He could have catfished her and she thought some 16 year old was coming to meet up with her.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Jan 11, 2019 8:40:19 GMT -6
Is everyone set on this being an internet predator/star crossed lover scenario? My gut still says it's more about the parents or family. Like, they were mixed up in something big or bad and Jayme was collateral damage for a sicko who took part in the hit/revenge/whatever the killings were. My only evidence is that she is SO young. Shes 100% a victim no matter what but I can't wrap my head around her being involved with this 20-something, even online or as a fantasy. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more. I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home.
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Post by rvasc on Jan 11, 2019 8:41:11 GMT -6
Yea this can’t be her fault even if she was involved. She’s a kid. Only 7 years older than mine. No way she could have foreseen what could happen.
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Post by lucylou on Jan 11, 2019 8:41:13 GMT -6
Ariel Castro held three women in a basement in a neighborhood of Cleveland for years. It's not hard to hold people prisoner if that's really what you want to do. 100% agree. But a basement seems so different than a cabin with plenty houses around it that I’m assuming doesn’t even belong to him.
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Post by willow on Jan 11, 2019 8:41:33 GMT -6
I still come back to if it was an online initiated thing, how did they find nothing in computer forensics?
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Post by rvasc on Jan 11, 2019 8:42:15 GMT -6
I still come back to if it was an online initiated thing, how did they find nothing in computer forensics? Kids sometimes have secret phones. Or maybe they did and we just didn’t know about it.
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Post by yoginikiki on Jan 11, 2019 8:42:47 GMT -6
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more. I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home. I think this is what she is referring to. 13 year olds in online relationships are hugely and problematically prevalent. I scenarios where young girls are catfished online more than I ever thought I would.
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2019 8:43:37 GMT -6
Ariel Castro held three women in a basement in a neighborhood of Cleveland for years. It's not hard to hold people prisoner if that's really what you want to do. 100% agree. But a basement seems so different than a cabin with plenty houses around it that I’m assuming doesn’t even belong to him. There have been so many situations of sex trafficking and the like where the victims are found in neighborhood homes, etc. I have come to the conclusion that if a criminal wants to crime, they'll find a way.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Jan 11, 2019 8:44:04 GMT -6
Ariel Castro held three women in a basement in a neighborhood of Cleveland for years. It's not hard to hold people prisoner if that's really what you want to do. 100% agree. But a basement seems so different than a cabin with plenty houses around it that I’m assuming doesn’t even belong to him. Ariel Castro had other adults in the home. Sick F*cks can and do get away with crazy things and the power of fear is as strong as shackles if you break someone's spirit. I can imagine a family knowing little Jake has "issues" and sometimes uses grandpa's cabin.
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Post by brux on Jan 11, 2019 8:45:01 GMT -6
So the guy who took her is a brother to the Erik that has been convicted of Sexual assault? I'm looking at court records now. Erik lived at the address, so it's safe to assume he's the brother. He has a bit of a criminal record, mostly speedning and marijuana arrests. One, he plead guilty to 4th degree sexual assault, a misdemeanor. Sentenced to 8 months and then got on probation. Was initially charged with 2nd Degree Sexual Assault of Child. This occurred in October 2012, when Erik was 18.25 years old.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jan 11, 2019 8:45:57 GMT -6
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more. I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home. You need to join us in this century. Like quickly. It's not 1995 when this is all new. This is very, very much a thing, at even younger ages from kids that think they are grown or want to act like they are. If you have children, you very much need to get your head out of the sand about this.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Jan 11, 2019 8:46:05 GMT -6
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more. I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home. I mean... ok. But "Naive 13 year old gets tricked online by older man" wouldn't exactly be surprising headline, would it?
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Post by brux on Jan 11, 2019 8:46:07 GMT -6
I still come back to if it was an online initiated thing, how did they find nothing in computer forensics? so true.
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Post by helenahhandbasket on Jan 11, 2019 8:47:35 GMT -6
I still come back to if it was an online initiated thing, how did they find nothing in computer forensics? so true. Burner phone?
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Post by frantastic on Jan 11, 2019 8:48:17 GMT -6
Ariel Castro held three women in a basement in a neighborhood of Cleveland for years. It's not hard to hold people prisoner if that's really what you want to do. 100% agree. But a basement seems so different than a cabin with plenty houses around it that I’m assuming doesn’t even belong to him. Castro actually held at least one or two of them in upstairs bedrooms, in a house set very close to other houses, and regularly had guests. It can be done.
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Post by yoginikiki on Jan 11, 2019 8:51:00 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here thinks this is her fault or blames her. I think the speculation is more on is this a random attack or did she know him through some channel and have a relationship with him. Of course she is still a victim.
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Post by helenahhandbasket on Jan 11, 2019 8:52:18 GMT -6
I mean I have no idea really, but there is something oddly reminiscent here for me at least -it makes me think of the Gypsy Rose thing. I’m not sure if that’s been mentioned yet.
Obviously, there are many differences here-gypsy Rose was an adult, her mother was abusive , etc.
I’m very glad she was found alive, and I hope we find out what happened.
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Post by microworm on Jan 11, 2019 8:53:41 GMT -6
OMG just saw this. I need the deets.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2019 8:55:50 GMT -6
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is a very naive way of thinking and I suggest you think about it more. I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home. I am telling you to wrap your head around it because 13 year olds do have online relationships with older people. Hell they have IRL relationships with older people if they didn't we wouldn't have the R. Kelly and teachers being fired for sleeping with their student stories all the time.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Jan 11, 2019 8:56:58 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I can't wrap my head around her getting involved in an online relationship. Any real life interaction they had isn't a relationship. It's a kidnapping and likely rape scenario. It's a predator and a victim. I'm not insinuating they have a "relationship." God no. Everything I read emphasized she was immature and family oriented. I'm not 100% sold she knew this person or why he was in her home. I mean... ok. But "Naive 13 year old gets tricked online by older man" wouldn't exactly be surprising headline, would it? No. Not at all. I'm spouting off things without crafting then thoughtfully. There's a very good chance of that scenario. My gut wants to believe it's not but that might be wishful thinking more than logic.
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