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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 22, 2018 15:04:42 GMT -6
2000 people requested to help search around the house for "anything of evidentiary value"
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 22, 2018 15:06:42 GMT -6
helicopter was mapping area for search tomorrow. And looking for anything of interest. Sheriff says he "doesn't know where that came from" ? lol
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 15:57:26 GMT -6
There have to be like 15 Dodge Challengers like that in MN and WI combined.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 15:59:26 GMT -6
I guess there's video that shows two vehicles were at the Closs house at the time of the killings. Sheriff only wants tips related to those two vehicles, no other vehicles.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 16:00:39 GMT -6
Media Questions:
- Helicopters mapping area for tomorrow's search and looking for anything of interest
- don't know license plates (including which state(s) they are)
- no scenarios ruled out
- reviewed several videos from private homes and businesses and put together different shots of these vehicles
- can't comment on Jayme having a cell phone or not
- 911 call is still being analyzed, don't know who made the call; investigators will not be releasing the 911 call based on evidentiary value and cannot comment if there is anything discernible
- log released to the media is just the officer's initial thoughts
- "we do not have... we do not exactly know what happened in that residence that night" in response to being asked if a motive was identified yet
- can't comment on if they have spoken to any witnesses at the scene
- at this time they can't comment on community safety, except to comment that there have been no other instances of violence in the community; "I wish i knew a motive, i wish I knew what happened that night"
- "we do not have a gag order on the family, the family has chose that all their comments will come through me. They want to bring Jayme home and that's all the want"
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 16:04:53 GMT -6
Are people speculating that they just saw that car on some camera heading in that direction? It really feels like they have nothing.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 16:10:43 GMT -6
Are people speculating that they just saw that car on some camera heading in that direction? It really feels like they have nothing. I think the Sheriff said the cars were seen on multiple cameras in various places at that time. Not sure. Need to actually watch the press conference later
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 16:11:39 GMT -6
Are people speculating that they just saw that car on some camera heading in that direction? It really feels like they have nothing. I think the Sheriff said the cars were seen on multiple cameras in various places at that time. Not sure. Need to actually watch the press conference later I will just read Reddit and believe whatever strangers on the Internet say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 16:23:46 GMT -6
This is so vague. Everything is so vague.
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 22, 2018 16:52:41 GMT -6
Yeah it feels like they have zero information
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 22, 2018 17:42:24 GMT -6
I kinda got a bad feeling when I heard about this that it could be random and they didn’t realize there was a kid in the house or they had to leave the house quickly. The presence of drugs in the area and the lack of rumors coming out makes me think that might be true. Yes but I just can't wrap my head around why they would take her and not just kill her. Obviously drug seeking robbers and murderers don't always make logical decisions but still..
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 18:19:52 GMT -6
I kinda got a bad feeling when I heard about this that it could be random and they didn’t realize there was a kid in the house or they had to leave the house quickly. The presence of drugs in the area and the lack of rumors coming out makes me think that might be true. Yes but I just can't wrap my head around why they would take her and not just kill her. Obviously drug seeking robbers and murderers don't always make logical decisions but still.. Well... here’s my working theory. The house in an area with a casino and a drug presence. It’s on a main road but it’s also not directly on top of its neighbors. It’s a location that probably hosts people that need quick money for unsavory reasons and the Closs house is an easy target. Someone(s) comes to door and is met by dad. Dad is killed. Mom hears the commotion and barricades herself in bathroom and calls 911. She’s killed. Jayme comes out, or is already out, but at this point murderer(s) see 911 is called. They panic and leave immediately, taking Jayme with them. She is likely not alive. I mean, I could be completely wrong. It just seems weird that the police seem like they have nothing and there’s no rumors emerging.
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Post by gussie on Oct 22, 2018 18:44:04 GMT -6
Yes but I just can't wrap my head around why they would take her and not just kill her. Obviously drug seeking robbers and murderers don't always make logical decisions but still.. Well... here’s my working theory. The house in an area with a casino and a drug presence. It’s on a main road but it’s also not directly on top of its neighbors. It’s a location that probably hosts people that need quick money for unsavory reasons and the Closs house is an easy target. Someone(s) comes to door and is met by dad. Dad is killed. Mom hears the commotion and barricades herself in bathroom and calls 911. She’s killed. Jayme comes out, or is already out, but at this point murderer(s) see 911 is called. They panic and leave immediately, taking Jayme with them. She is likely not alive. I mean, I could be completely wrong. It just seems weird that the police seem like they have nothing and there’s no rumors emerging. This is what I think too. They left less than 4 minutes after that call. No time to kill her and cover their tracks, they just grab her and decide what to do with her later.
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Post by gussie on Oct 22, 2018 18:45:08 GMT -6
Do we know if anything was stolen? Although I suppose that could’ve been the plan and the 911 call threw a kink in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 18:47:22 GMT -6
I feel like they either know absolutely nothing. Or way more than they’re publicly letting on.
It doesn’t feel random to me but I can’t put my finger on why, specifically.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 18:48:30 GMT -6
I did a girls weekend at the casino down the road from the Closs house.
Well, it was only one night bc it was a shithole and nowhere near the amount of fun we thought we’d have. It’s more of a small town bingo hall with hunched over slot machine regulars than any sort of flashy scene.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 18:50:23 GMT -6
What do you guys think about the timing between when the neighbor thinks they heard two shots and when the 911 call was made?
I can’t decide if it really was just a couple minutes for everything to happen or if dad was killed, mom hid and was possibly tied up, and eventually someone called 911.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 22, 2018 18:50:54 GMT -6
I agree with Cher. I would be highly surprised if she is still alive at this point.
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 18:54:14 GMT -6
I did a girls weekend at the casino down the road from the Closs house. Well, it was only one night bc it was a shithole and nowhere near the amount of fun we thought we’d have. It’s more of a small town bingo hall with hunched over slot machine regulars than any sort of flashy scene. So, degenerates and olds? And you.
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 18:56:31 GMT -6
What do you guys think about the timing between when the neighbor thinks they heard two shots and when the 911 call was made? I can’t decide if it really was just a couple minutes for everything to happen or if dad was killed, mom hid and was possibly tied up, and eventually someone called 911. I don’t put too much stock in it. Witnesses, especially auditory witnesses are highly unreliable. Plus didn’t the neighbor not think anything of it (due to ruralness) at the time? So they’re probably recalling to the best of their ability.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 19:00:40 GMT -6
I did a girls weekend at the casino down the road from the Closs house. Well, it was only one night bc it was a shithole and nowhere near the amount of fun we thought we’d have. It’s more of a small town bingo hall with hunched over slot machine regulars than any sort of flashy scene. So, degenerates and olds? And you. of course. I got shitfaced on cans of miller lite. Fly here and I’ll book their finest suite for the weekend for us.
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 19:02:16 GMT -6
So, degenerates and olds? And you. of course. I got shitfaced on cans of miller lite. Fly here and I’ll book their finest suite for the weekend for us. It actually sounds glorious. Maybe we can do a little murder investigation and gambling.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 22, 2018 19:12:07 GMT -6
Well... here’s my working theory. The house in an area with a casino and a drug presence. It’s on a main road but it’s also not directly on top of its neighbors. It’s a location that probably hosts people that need quick money for unsavory reasons and the Closs house is an easy target. Someone(s) comes to door and is met by dad. Dad is killed. Mom hears the commotion and barricades herself in bathroom and calls 911. She’s killed. Jayme comes out, or is already out, but at this point murderer(s) see 911 is called. They panic and leave immediately, taking Jayme with them. She is likely not alive. I mean, I could be completely wrong. It just seems weird that the police seem like they have nothing and there’s no rumors emerging. This is what I think too. They left less than 4 minutes after that call. No time to kill her and cover their tracks, they just grab her and decide what to do with her later. See, and I was thinking, why not just kill her- what's a third body when you've already killed two people? But, if they panicked I could see grabbing her and dumping her somewhere later. I hope it was someone she knew so there is a chance she is still alive. But.. it seems unlikely
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 19:16:31 GMT -6
It makes me think that at least one of the two people is not a psychopath and had a hard time killing a kid on the spot. They convinced the other person to just take Jayme to be figured out at a later time.
I agree that it doesn’t seem reasonable that she’s alive.
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 19:20:55 GMT -6
It makes me think that at least one of the two people is not a psychopath and had a hard time killing a kid on the spot. They convinced the other person to just take Jayme to be figured out at a later time. I agree that it doesn’t seem reasonable that she’s alive. Yes, this is my thought too. They didn’t know a kid was there, it was hard for them to kill a kid, whatever. But I think she saw them, cops were called and in a panic, they grabbed her because they hadn’t thought it out. It could have been a home invasion/robbery gone wrong from the jump. They come in, looking to get money and leave or whatever but dad fights back, mom calls cops, etc.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 22, 2018 19:38:42 GMT -6
To me it seems more like a targeted crime/rage was involved. The person: - kicked in the door (eta more accurately: forced entry and splintered the door frame, kicking not confirmed) - came armed - targeted a family that isn’t particularly wealthy - seems to have had a getaway plan and included Jayme in it - feels like Jayme would have been able to identify them - obviously had somewhere to go for hiding out - didn’t steal anything that we know of (cops could be withholding this but then it would seem like they have a pretty obvious motive to work with and it sounds like they don’t) - came right around when James (the dad) gets home from his shift
I just don’t see them as obvious targets of a home robbery/this doesn’t sound like a typical home robbery to me, but then again, apparently Meth is rampant in the area and I don’t pretend to know what someone on/desperate for meth would or wouldn’t do.
But — anecdote time! — My home was robbed by a guy on meth while I was coming home from a party once and he hid rather than attack me (although he had a baseball bat ready eeek). He made all kinds of strange and weird choices in what he stole and did a very sloppy job ditching our car. This doesn’t seem like that kind of sloppy.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 22, 2018 19:45:09 GMT -6
Tlex, I agree that in some ways this seems more planned out- a not well thought out crime of passion/drug seeking money whatever probably would have left some sort of trail. I just can't get over how fast they got out of the house after the 911 call
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Post by Tlex on Oct 22, 2018 19:50:45 GMT -6
Tlex, I agree that in some ways this seems more planned out- a not well thought out crime of passion/drug seeking money whatever probably would have left some sort of trail. I just can't get over how fast they got out of the house after the 911 call I cannot get over that either. Just sheer luck a car was close, the station was close, idk. 4 m 28 s is incredible from the time the unintelligible call came in to the cops arrival. I cannot believe they got away with her in that time and weren’t seen. On websleuths people were guessing maybe they used an ATV, there are trails in the area I guess. Just sheer luck the perp(s) caught whoever made the phone call and reacted so fast? Makes me think a local because they know just how close the police station is?
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Post by Cher on Oct 22, 2018 19:58:05 GMT -6
Tlex I saw the ATV theory too. But apparently people use trail cams around this time of year? So the internet strangers are telling me that something would have been recorded. The door thing is strange. Has it been clarified if door was kicked in, shot in, etc.? I just wonder if it was a rage thing or a means to entrance? I also can’t understand if they had such a beef with someone why no one has any knowledge of it.
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Post by brux on Oct 22, 2018 20:00:45 GMT -6
I was reading that ATVs that late at night would be odd. Possible but odd.
And I’m trying to think back to the weather. Last Sunday morning, it snowed here. It all melted by mid-afternoon, but if I was planning something and the day before it’s windy and snowing, I might change my plan and drop the atvs bc if the possibility of snow tracks.
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