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Post by lovescheese on Oct 19, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -6
My first thought was that she was somehow involved, which is terrible. But with further reading I'm not sure. It definitely is scary.
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Post by bobyn on Oct 19, 2018 12:20:26 GMT -6
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Post by bobyn on Oct 19, 2018 12:22:31 GMT -6
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 12:45:23 GMT -6
the fuuuuuuck with this description. The dad answered at the door after being shot?
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Post by bobyn on Oct 19, 2018 12:46:06 GMT -6
the fuuuuuuck with this description. The dad answered at the door after being shot? It’s confusing to follow, for sure. I think it meant he answered the door, then got shot.
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 12:47:56 GMT -6
from that reddit thread.
Two interesting issues.
What was said on the call that made the dispatcher assume it was a suicide? I was thinking this might be a murder-suicide until Tuesday evening. The reasons I thought that were A) The sheriff would not say that Jayme had been kidnapped. He would not say whether she was alone or with another person. The way he dodged those questions made it seem like she'd just wandered off. B) I saw an internet writing from a local person that strongly hinted that this was a murder-suicide. I ended up determining that this person was very likely for-real crazy, based on other things she'd written.
The cop was told it was a suicide. Then he sees the shot in or kicked in door, and he sees multiple spent rounds, and he sees the male down in the hallway. He knows it isn't a suicide. But he doesn't tell dispatch.
He also somehow knows that someone knocked on the door at 1 AM, and that this guy answered it. OK.
I don't understand how the police knew he answered the door. Maybe the hole in the door matched up with the hole in the body. But this is at 1:05. The cop had been there for all of two minutes. And there might be a killer inside, for all they know. That is not enough time to play Sherlock Holmes & deduce that the guy answered the door. They came into this thinking it was a suicide. It seems like they should think the spouse did it, or someone else inside the house. "Answer the door" means someone came to the door. If they thought it was a suicide, why would they think someone knocked, and that the guy didn't just try to walk out the door & got shot by his spouse?
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 12:49:46 GMT -6
also from reddit
From what I gathered from Closses family fb posts, James, the father, was shot in the face right in front of the door. I am assuming by the way his body was positioned, that they know he opened the door. I guess Denise could have opened it, and when James saw the danger, got in front while Denise went to hide? I guess anything is possible.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 19, 2018 12:58:55 GMT -6
from that reddit thread. Two interesting issues. What was said on the call that made the dispatcher assume it was a suicide? I was thinking this might be a murder-suicide until Tuesday evening. The reasons I thought that were A) The sheriff would not say that Jayme had been kidnapped. He would not say whether she was alone or with another person. The way he dodged those questions made it seem like she'd just wandered off. B) I saw an internet writing from a local person that strongly hinted that this was a murder-suicide. I ended up determining that this person was very likely for-real crazy, based on other things she'd written. The cop was told it was a suicide. Then he sees the shot in or kicked in door, and he sees multiple spent rounds, and he sees the male down in the hallway. He knows it isn't a suicide. But he doesn't tell dispatch. He also somehow knows that someone knocked on the door at 1 AM, and that this guy answered it. OK. I don't understand how the police knew he answered the door. Maybe the hole in the door matched up with the hole in the body. But this is at 1:05. The cop had been there for all of two minutes. And there might be a killer inside, for all they know. That is not enough time to play Sherlock Holmes & deduce that the guy answered the door. They came into this thinking it was a suicide. It seems like they should think the spouse did it, or someone else inside the house. "Answer the door" means someone came to the door. If they thought it was a suicide, why would they think someone knocked, and that the guy didn't just try to walk out the door & got shot by his spouse? There is a more concise and accurate timeline right after this. This poster is confused. Basically the first cop immediately thought suicide and the guy coming in behind him got a quicker better read on it. It's all happening very quickly when the first arrive on scene and there are 3 officers talking to dispatch. they are saying the man came to the door and was shot by the intruder at the door
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Post by STP on Oct 19, 2018 12:59:59 GMT -6
I just love that brux posted aerial and street shots. It’s so on brand.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 19, 2018 13:00:56 GMT -6
I am so confused. So he opened the door or they shot it open?
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 19, 2018 13:01:45 GMT -6
I am so confused. So he opened the door or they shot it open? It was kicked in, not shot in. I'm guessing he approached the door when he hears the commotion and is shot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 13:03:31 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before.
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 13:08:42 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before. right?!? it's so specific and detailed. I assume the suspect it's someone local?
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 19, 2018 13:11:50 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before. Especially the part of having a misunderstanding with the family.
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Post by bobyn on Oct 19, 2018 13:15:10 GMT -6
So maybe the father answered the door, felt threatened and tried to close it on the shooter, then it got kicked in as he was trying to flee.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 13:23:43 GMT -6
The landline being disconnected has me interested. I think most people up there still have landlines because cell coverage is spotty at best. So was it off the hook, or has the line cut?
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Post by lovescheese on Oct 19, 2018 13:24:05 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before. Agreed. I do feel like they have an general idea of who they are looking for. But that could just be me hoping they have an idea.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 19, 2018 13:26:45 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before. Especially the part of having a misunderstanding with the family. Websleuths says the Closses were at a family function the afternoon -of, I think
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Post by Tlex on Oct 19, 2018 13:28:02 GMT -6
The landline being disconnected has me interested. I think most people up there still have landlines because cell coverage is spotty at best. So was it off the hook, or has the line cut? Locals say the house has a cell tower just north of it and they get just fine cell reception. Landline disconnected could be intentional but could also just be to stop endless telemarketing calls, only plug it in when the power goes out kinda thing. Definitely caught my interest too.
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 13:32:41 GMT -6
I was also wondering if the disconnected landline was just because they had a landline at some point and the police found that number but that the Closs family had cancelled service at some point prior.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 19, 2018 13:35:58 GMT -6
My assumption would be he was laying in a way that suggested he was addressing whomever was kicking his door down, we may be hanging on to semantics with the “answered” the door thing?
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 13:36:58 GMT -6
A couple days ago, sheriffs were asking people who lived on this blue line to check to see if they had camera footage they could share. I thought it was interesting, asking about that route specifically and not, say, past the town of Almena or east/south of Barron. On this map, Turtle Lake, is a town with a casino and a reservation. Why wouldn't the police be interested in footage from the town of Turtle Lake, where there's bound to be some cameras because it's a bit of a destination bc of the casino.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 19, 2018 13:38:09 GMT -6
My assumption would be he was laying in a way that suggested he was addressing whomever was kicking his door down, we may be hanging on to semantics with the “answered” the door thing? Yes this is exactly what I was trying to say. I think he approached the door, but did not literally open it
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Post by Tlex on Oct 19, 2018 13:38:47 GMT -6
brux is the Closs house between those two points? Maybe they’re trying to determine if any cars were going in one direction vs the other?
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 13:44:12 GMT -6
brux is the Closs house between those two points? Maybe they’re trying to determine if any cars were going in one direction vs the other? the closs home is close to the red marker, just a bit west of the town center of Barron. So the focus is the route heading west of their house, and a smaller distance east. But not all the way west our south like you'd go to head to the interstate to get out of the area fast.
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Post by emma on Oct 19, 2018 13:51:11 GMT -6
brux is the Closs house between those two points? Maybe they’re trying to determine if any cars were going in one direction vs the other? the closs home is close to the red marker, just a bit west of the town center of Barron. So the focus is the route heading west of their house, and a smaller distance east. But not all the way west our south like you'd go to head to the interstate to get out of the area fast. maybe the police response came from the other direction so know they didn't pass a car going that way?
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 19, 2018 13:57:41 GMT -6
the closs home is close to the red marker, just a bit west of the town center of Barron. So the focus is the route heading west of their house, and a smaller distance east. But not all the way west our south like you'd go to head to the interstate to get out of the area fast. maybe the police response came from the other direction so know they didn't pass a car going that way? That's a good guess. They arrived quickly after the 911 call and said they saw no suspicious vehicles in the area, so that would narrow it down. I'm torn between thinking the press release sounds like they have a suspect in mind or if it's just generic. I've heard similar lists before but I can't remember the circumstances.
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Post by bobyn on Oct 19, 2018 14:06:08 GMT -6
maybe the police response came from the other direction so know they didn't pass a car going that way? That's a good guess. They arrived quickly after the 911 call and said they saw no suspicious vehicles in the area, so that would narrow it down. I'm torn between thinking the press release sounds like they have a suspect in mind or if it's just generic. I've heard similar lists before but I can't remember the circumstances. And maybe there are cameras within the city limits they've already reviewed. So now they're checking the other way?
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Post by McBenny on Oct 19, 2018 14:24:42 GMT -6
Wow. That press release is like nothing I have ever read before. I have seen similar before during a serial killer hunt. That being said, it made me feel the sheriff is an asshat.
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Post by brux on Oct 19, 2018 14:31:29 GMT -6
I'm skimming Websleuths forums now.
I guess there are screen shots images of the police taking rope / shoe laces / bindings out of the house. And a wood dining chair that is missing the cushion. People on Webslueths are now speculating that someone was tied to the chair at some point.
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