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Post by fatpony on Jun 5, 2017 21:49:21 GMT -6
I'm feeling very uneasy about the fact that 21 out of 23 potential jurors are white. Just 2 black and no other races represented. I mean, I get that those are the demographics there but damn, that's hard for me to comprehend. It's really not the demographics here. 2010 census is 70% white/Hispanic, 10% black, 10% Asian. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:54:16 GMT -6
I'm feeling very uneasy about the fact that 21 out of 23 potential jurors are white. Just 2 black and no other races represented. I mean, I get that those are the demographics there but damn, that's hard for me to comprehend. It's really not the demographics here. 2010 census is 70% white/Hispanic, 10% black, 10% Asian. In the county? Thanks for fact checking me. I should have looked it up. I know I'm one of the earlier podcasts they indicated that it was a very white area so I wasn't expecting much in terms of diversity of the jury. But damn. Two non-white people and if they don't make it on the jury, then zero. |
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Post by fatpony on Jun 6, 2017 7:56:10 GMT -6
It's really not the demographics here. 2010 census is 70% white/Hispanic, 10% black, 10% Asian. In the county? Thanks for fact checking me. I should have looked it up. I know I'm one of the earlier podcasts they indicated that it was a very white area so I wasn't expecting much in terms of diversity of the jury. But damn. Two non-white people and if they don't make it on the jury, then zero. Yes, those are the demographics for Ramsey County. I was actually surprised by how white it is, but that is probably because I live in St. Paul, so the suburbs skew it. |
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Post by fatpony on Jun 6, 2017 8:00:21 GMT -6
In the county? Thanks for fact checking me. I should have looked it up. I know I'm one of the earlier podcasts they indicated that it was a very white area so I wasn't expecting much in terms of diversity of the jury. But damn. Two non-white people and if they don't make it on the jury, then zero. Yes, those are the demographics for Ramsey County. I was actually surprised by how white it is, but that is probably because I live in St. Paul, so the suburbs skew it. Quoting myself: And the reason I was surprised, was because my inner city high school demographics are very different. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:10:59 GMT -6
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:14:46 GMT -6
The demographics of the city of St. Paul make that jury shocking to me. The demographics of the county make it somewhat less shocking, but I am surprised to not have any people of Asian or Hispanic descent on the jury. A 91% white jury is not representative.
That being said, the defense tried to get the trial moved to an outstate county, which would've pretty much guaranteed a not guilty, IMO. So I'm glad it's in Ramsey, at least. Here's to hoping the jury is filled with reasonable, compassionate people.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:15:18 GMT -6
and OMG if we went to the same high school fatpony. I may die. |
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:17:20 GMT -6
It's really not the demographics here. 2010 census is 70% white/Hispanic, 10% black, 10% Asian. In the county? Thanks for fact checking me. I should have looked it up. I know I'm one of the earlier podcasts they indicated that it was a very white area so I wasn't expecting much in terms of diversity of the jury. But damn. Two non-white people and if they don't make it on the jury, then zero. The small suburb where the shooting happened is very white. Partially because it's just a small place, but it's across the street from St. Paul. |
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:18:12 GMT -6
I saw the defense tried to strike one of the two black jurors, an 18 year old of Ethiopian descent. But the judge blocked them from doing so.
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Post by fatpony on Jun 6, 2017 8:19:47 GMT -6
and OMG if we went to the same high school fatpony. I may die. GO GOVIES! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:23:24 GMT -6
fatpony, phew. I'm safe from running into someone else from IRL. I think I only know one or two people from your school and we're all old ladies by now.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:23:40 GMT -6
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 8:24:21 GMT -6
The podcast mentioned that one of the jurors gets 100% of her news information from People Magazine.
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Post by fatpony on Jun 6, 2017 10:35:06 GMT -6
fatpony , phew. I'm safe from running into someone else from IRL. I think I only know one or two people from your school and we're all old ladies by now. Glad you're not scared anymore! lol |
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Post by fatpony on Jun 6, 2017 10:38:55 GMT -6
A lot of older white men, gun owners, and people with ties to law enforcement. Also, a lot of DUIs. I also can't believe the number of people who claimed to not have heard about the killing/case. Say what?!?! And holy hell, DUI's. |
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Post by billyhorrible on Jun 6, 2017 11:32:58 GMT -6
I feel like I just come in and recommend other podcasts, but it feels relevant? Maybe I was a producer in a past life. This is an amazingly excellent podcast about the bias in the jury selection process (it centers on African Americans, but certainly applies to all POC): www.wnyc.org/story/object-anyway/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 11:33:51 GMT -6
In the county? Thanks for fact checking me. I should have looked it up. I know I'm one of the earlier podcasts they indicated that it was a very white area so I wasn't expecting much in terms of diversity of the jury. But damn. Two non-white people and if they don't make it on the jury, then zero. Yes, those are the demographics for Ramsey County. I was actually surprised by how white it is, but that is probably because I live in St. Paul, so the suburbs skew it. Oh hello. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 11:37:00 GMT -6
A lot of older white men, gun owners, and people with ties to law enforcement. Also, a lot of DUIs. I also can't believe the number of people who claimed to not have heard about the killing/case. Say what?!?! And holy hell, DUI's. I think this fundamentally flaws the whole process. Most people selected weren't very familiar with the case. Using that as a condition seems to exclude a good portion of the population in a way that skews the results. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. If I was called up, I'd almost definitely not have been allowed to serve. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 11:47:30 GMT -6
I also can't believe the number of people who claimed to not have heard about the killing/case. Say what?!?! And holy hell, DUI's. I think this fundamentally flaws the whole process. Most people selected weren't very familiar with the case. Using that as a condition seems to exclude a good portion of the population in a way that skews the results. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. If I was called up, I'd almost definitely not have been allowed to serve. This is such a crazy part of jury duty. I've been several times and it's like..... The best and the brightest tend to get excused. I know that sounds rude but it's like the people who don't work, don't watch the news, don't have anything going on are the last ones standing. I mean, everyone in my family has served at least once so it's not always the case but it seems to be a lot of the time. I was called to serve one time for a murder case and it was a juvenile being charged as an adult. Truly horrific case. It was a death penalty case and I don't believe in the death penalty, which was on the questionnaire. So I was excused on the second day. I think I would be a good juror but I just can't participate in a death penalty case. Btw, the women who said she only reads people magazine and never watches the news cracked me up. I would like to reside in her bubble. |
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 6, 2017 11:58:21 GMT -6
brux , I think his having a permit provides some context to his volunteering that he had a gun. In case they try to say he was angrily threatening that he had a gun or something. I had a conversation with a friend who conceal carries about this last year. If you have a carry permit, you are to inform the officer immediately that you have a weapon and where it is located. And according to him, you leave your hands on the steering wheel until instructed by the officer to move them. Not that this is helpful, but I think its part of what is taught in concealed carry classes. So Philando was completely following what he was probably taught. |
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2017 12:32:39 GMT -6
I feel like I just come in and recommend other podcasts, but it feels relevant? Maybe I was a producer in a past life. This is an amazingly excellent podcast about the bias in the jury selection process (it centers on African Americans, but certainly applies to all POC): www.wnyc.org/story/object-anyway/YES! More Perfect remains my favorite podcast I've listened too. This Batson episode was really interesting. It's such a Catch 22 situation. |
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Post by budders on Jun 6, 2017 12:52:20 GMT -6
The podcast mentioned that one of the jurors gets 100% of her news information from People Magazine. I listened to that episode this morning. I was trying to decide which way she would likely swing from that information. |
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Post by budders on Jun 6, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -6
I think this fundamentally flaws the whole process. Most people selected weren't very familiar with the case. Using that as a condition seems to exclude a good portion of the population in a way that skews the results. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. If I was called up, I'd almost definitely not have been allowed to serve. This is such a crazy part of jury duty. I've been several times and it's like..... The best and the brightest tend to get excused. I know that sounds rude but it's like the people who don't work, don't watch the news, don't have anything going on are the last ones standing. I mean, everyone in my family has served at least once so it's not always the case but it seems to be a lot of the time. I was called to serve one time for a murder case and it was a juvenile being charged as an adult. Truly horrific case. It was a death penalty case and I don't believe in the death penalty, which was on the questionnaire. So I was excused on the second day. I think I would be a good juror but I just can't participate in a death penalty case. Btw, the women who said she only reads people magazine and never watches the news cracked me up. I would like to reside in her bubble. I was dismissed because I clarified a question with the defense attorney. It was a drug case, and they were generally questioning 12 of us at a time. They asked if people believed drugs should be illegal, and there was some patter about marijuana and other drugs. So he asked us to raise our hands if we agreed, and I said "to which type of drug"? He said "just answer the question", and the judge stepped in and pointed out that his question was unclear and could he restate it. My number was the first one he crossed off of his sheet after questioning was over. I was actually looking forward to being on jury duty and feel that I could have been incredibly impartial and able to weigh evidence only, especially in that type of case. |
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Post by billyhorrible on Jun 6, 2017 13:48:03 GMT -6
budders, from experience, that probably wasn't why you were cut. The number 1 thing most lawyers want from jurors (other than obviously being sympathetic to their client) is someone who is engaged. We often ranked jurors who asked questions higher, because it showed that they are discerning, engaged, want to get/give the right answer. There's a better chance that you were cut because you look young. Other than race, age can often play a big part on who remains on a jury.
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Post by budders on Jun 6, 2017 13:53:39 GMT -6
budders , from experience, that probably wasn't why you were cut. The number 1 thing most lawyers want from jurors (other than obviously being sympathetic to their client) is someone who is engaged. We often ranked jurors who asked questions higher, because it showed that they are discerning, engaged, want to get/give the right answer. There's a better chance that you were cut because you look young. Other than race, age can often play a big part on who remains on a jury. It's possible. I always assumed it was because I caused him to get corrected by the judge. I would think a young person would be better for the defense in a drug case, though. Or are younger people just assumed to be less reliable regardless of the case? |
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Post by billyhorrible on Jun 6, 2017 14:02:38 GMT -6
budders , from experience, that probably wasn't why you were cut. The number 1 thing most lawyers want from jurors (other than obviously being sympathetic to their client) is someone who is engaged. We often ranked jurors who asked questions higher, because it showed that they are discerning, engaged, want to get/give the right answer. There's a better chance that you were cut because you look young. Other than race, age can often play a big part on who remains on a jury. It's possible. I always assumed it was because I caused him to get corrected by the judge. I would think a young person would be better for the defense in a drug case, though. Or are younger people just assumed to be less reliable regardless of the case? It depends on the attorney. He could worry that a young, white, professional woman would not be sympathetic to his client. He could also fear that the prosecution might like you. |
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Post by mrsbliz on Jun 7, 2017 13:42:19 GMT -6
I've been stalking the twwiter feed from the 74seconds podcast. Today is a forensic testominy. These really stuck out to me and I was like woah
"BCA supervisor testifies that one bullet fired by Yanez embedded in center console, inch or two from edge, passenger seat"
"Bullet damage was found in driver seatbelt, back of driver front seat, bottom of seat and back bench seat, about 16" from car seat"
16 fucking inches from that 4 year old and close to Diamond. They are really lucky they didn't get shot too!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:55:48 GMT -6
I've been stalking the twwiter feed from the 74seconds podcast. Today is a forensic testominy. These really stuck out to me and I was like woah "BCA supervisor testifies that one bullet fired by Yanez embedded in center console, inch or two from edge, passenger seat" "Bullet damage was found in driver seatbelt, back of driver front seat, bottom of seat and back bench seat, about 16" from car seat" 16 fucking inches from that 4 year old and close to Diamond. They are really lucky they didn't get shot too! This aspect of the case is huge to me and I'm interested to hear how this is handled in court. I have to imagine that endangering the lives of "bystanders" has to be a break in protocol and the fact that the other officer didn't even have his hand on the gun (because there was no reason to AND because there was a child right next to him) just really seems like huge points against Yanez. I'm devastated by Castile's death, but my god, I'm so horrified that Diamond and her daughter were put in harms way as well. |
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Post by mrsbliz on Jun 7, 2017 14:16:45 GMT -6
@juliagulia, He is being charged with something in regards to that endangerment, along with the manslaughter charges.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:21:21 GMT -6
@juliagulia, He is being charged with something in regards to that endangerment, along with the manslaughter charges. That's right. I keep forgetting that. I'm glad they included those charges because that part seems very egregious. |
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