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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 21:04:17 GMT -6
In NY, we have a very large state program that's most important purpose is keeping kids in foster care out of group homes like this because of cost and abuses. I don't believe this agency operates at all in NY. I wish other states would catch on and start providing services like we do. |
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Post by misskilljoy on Oct 19, 2017 21:25:27 GMT -6
This has happened across Europe to varying degrees, most famously France after uproar that women wanted to wear Burkinis.  In the discussion of these measures in Canada, has there been any allusion to that? Are they saying they are just following Europe where things have been effective? (I mean, what would success even look like with such a blatantly racist, useless policy?) www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/14/headscarves-and-muslim-veil-ban-debate-timelineI am super late getting back here, but I've seen/heard very little reference to Europe. Most of the discussion has been couched as being for "public safety" and to create a "more secular" society. Also something about democracy and freedom, which made me laugh out loud when I read those statements. |
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Post by ktg on Oct 19, 2017 21:59:40 GMT -6
This has happened across Europe to varying degrees, most famously France after uproar that women wanted to wear Burkinis. In the discussion of these measures in Canada, has there been any allusion to that? Are they saying they are just following Europe where things have been effective? (I mean, what would success even look like with such a blatantly racist, useless policy?) www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/14/headscarves-and-muslim-veil-ban-debate-timelineI am super late getting back here, but I've seen/heard very little reference to Europe. Most of the discussion has been couched as being for "public safety" and to create a "more secular" society. Also something about democracy and freedom, which made me laugh out loud when I read those statements. "You are free to do as we say!" 🙄 |
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Post by cakewench on Oct 20, 2017 5:12:36 GMT -6
Great thread about Kelly’s comments yesterday
(I don’t think this has been posted but apologies if I’m wrong.)
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 5:18:58 GMT -6
I love Maddow but this thread debunks her theory that Chadian forces leaving caused the ambush in Niger. Also warns against using this as a political tool like the Republicans did with Benghazi. I need to keep that in mind.
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 5:21:01 GMT -6
Great thread about Kelly’s comments yesterday (I don’t think this has been posted but apologies if I’m wrong.) Yes. So much this. I wish they wouldve just apologized and moved on. But Trump's tweeting about it again this morning. And he's lying to smear rep. Wilson. This is so shitty and I just want it to stop. |
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 5:23:44 GMT -6
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 5:27:13 GMT -6
Jeff Mateer is Trump’s nominee for a federal judgeship. Holy shit. That list of quotes in the article made me feel sick to my stomach. |
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 5:39:22 GMT -6
I just saw this but I have to wonder who this is and how she knows this? |
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 6:08:08 GMT -6
Jeff Mateer is Trump’s nominee for a federal judgeship. Oh good. |
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 6:11:56 GMT -6
I just saw this but I have to wonder who this is and how she knows this? She quotes Maddow elsewhere on her wall, so I'm assuming she's relaying the story from Maddow? Her bio does not indicate any particular expertise. |
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 6:29:28 GMT -6
Exactly. But, yes, by all means, the REAL scandal here is that the Clinton Foundation didn't give back his donation. |
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 6:35:51 GMT -6
In NY, we have a very large state program that's most important purpose is keeping kids in foster care out of group homes like this because of cost and abuses. I don't believe this agency operates at all in NY. I wish other states would catch on and start providing services like we do. This is lame, but I learned A LOT about foster care and group homes and the abuses within the system from watching The Fosters (shoutout pepper for making me watch that show!) It's awful, and it doesn't get nearly enough attention. I'm really glad that show is out there shining a light on it |
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 6:39:47 GMT -6
Great thread about Kelly’s comments yesterday (I don’t think this has been posted but apologies if I’m wrong.) EXACTLY. There has been absolutely no acknowledgment of the pain the president caused to Sgt. Johnson's family. And I did not realize that Rep Wilson had had a personal relationship with Sgt. Johnson. I was feeling a little icky about her going public about the phone call the way she did, but now I 100% understand and support that decision. |
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 6:42:34 GMT -6
1) Why do I keep expecting a career military professional to speak against his boss? 2) I think the fact that he gave expressed no consolation or remorse or kindness toward the Johnson family in the presser, and took the opportunity to drag the congresswoman/their dear friend signals that his feelings aren't too out of step with his boss.
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Post by mb3 on Oct 20, 2017 6:44:20 GMT -6
I love Maddow but this thread debunks her theory that Chadian forces leaving caused the ambush in Niger. Also warns against using this as a political tool like the Republicans did with Benghazi. I need to keep that in mind. I haven't seen the Maddow piece but I do agree with this Twitter thread to a degree. No, we shouldn't hope for anything to turn into Benghazi but I do think it's fair to demand answers though, particularly when we have people like John McCain saying that he doesn't feel Congress has the full story, etc. The petty side of me totally wants to see Trump deal with a Benghazi-esque scandal (not people dying, but him being repeatedly dragged through the mud). I will admit that is petty of me though. I just read the other thread and feel sick to my stomach. If that's truly what happened then it deserves being his Benghazi. But I need to trust that McCain will push for proper investigations. I know he's not the ideal Senator but we know how strongly he feels about the armed forces. I feel confident he won't just let something go. Or maybe I just need to believe that. |
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 6:47:50 GMT -6
On another topic, the short explanation of the tax plan I keep hearing on NPR is that it reduces the corporate tax rate and reduces the number of tax brackets. I just keep wondering, what middle class or low income person hears that and thinks "What relief! The sheer number of tax brackets has definitely been my problem! Thank you for finally looking out for hard working Americans!" 😡
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 6:54:53 GMT -6
This is petty AF but I'm loving this.
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 7:09:02 GMT -6
I love Maddow but this thread debunks her theory that Chadian forces leaving caused the ambush in Niger. Also warns against using this as a political tool like the Republicans did with Benghazi. I need to keep that in mind. I haven't seen the Maddow piece but I do agree with this Twitter thread to a degree. No, we shouldn't hope for anything to turn into Benghazi but I do think it's fair to demand answers though, particularly when we have people like John McCain saying that he doesn't feel Congress has the full story, etc. The petty side of me totally wants to see Trump deal with a Benghazi-esque scandal (not people dying, but him being repeatedly dragged through the mud). I will admit that is petty of me though. I just read the other thread and feel sick to my stomach. If that's truly what happened then it deserves being his Benghazi. But I need to trust that McCain will push for proper investigations. I know he's not the ideal Senator but we know how strongly he feels about the armed forces. I feel confident he won't just let something go. Or maybe I just need to believe that. I absolutely think we need answers, but we can get those without trying to make this the next Benghazi and keeping the families who lost loved ones in mind. |
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 7:11:54 GMT -6
This is petty AF but I'm loving this. This is my favorite Renoir, probably my favorite painting ever and I'm really glad Trump can't ruin it for me. |
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 20, 2017 7:28:22 GMT -6
RE Events in Niger. How much does American actually need to know? Obviously with servicemen killed its important to understand what happened and if it could have been prevented, but dont we do things all over the world and does it really need to picked apart by the public?
The families have every right to know what went wrong but as far as reasoning for why we're there is it necessary?
I'm trying to figure out where the line is, and if we announce every time we're in an engaged area doesnt that put more service people in danger?
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 7:39:32 GMT -6
I love Maddow but this thread debunks her theory that Chadian forces leaving caused the ambush in Niger. Also warns against using this as a political tool like the Republicans did with Benghazi. I need to keep that in mind. General Kelly touched on this yesterday. The Advise and Assist program is the DOD's way of stabilizing dangerous regions without sending thousands of troops in. It's true that most Americans don't realize that we have these programs or how many, but I think the reasoning is sound. I haven't watched last night's Maddow yet but now the curiosity has me |
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Post by athn64 on Oct 20, 2017 7:43:21 GMT -6
Wtf was that teacher thinking. I feel so bad for that kid |
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 7:46:25 GMT -6
RE Events in Niger. How much does American actually need to know? Obviously with servicemen killed its important to understand what happened and if it could have been prevented, but dont we do things all over the world and does it really need to picked apart by the public? The families have every right to know what went wrong but as far as reasoning for why we're there is it necessary? I'm trying to figure out where the line is, and if we announce every time we're in an engaged area doesnt that put more service people in danger? I think the fact that the military is doing things all over the world that the public doesn't know about is part of the problem. I think asking why we're in these places and if we actually need to be is very important. |
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Post by shadesofgold on Oct 20, 2017 7:54:07 GMT -6
I haven't seen the Maddow piece but I do agree with this Twitter thread to a degree. No, we shouldn't hope for anything to turn into Benghazi but I do think it's fair to demand answers though, particularly when we have people like John McCain saying that he doesn't feel Congress has the full story, etc. The petty side of me totally wants to see Trump deal with a Benghazi-esque scandal (not people dying, but him being repeatedly dragged through the mud). I will admit that is petty of me though. I just read the other thread and feel sick to my stomach. If that's truly what happened then it deserves being his Benghazi. But I need to trust that McCain will push for proper investigations. I know he's not the ideal Senator but we know how strongly he feels about the armed forces. I feel confident he won't just let something go. Or maybe I just need to believe that. I don't want a Benghazi-esque scandal. I do want a thorough investigation, and I want to make sure that changes are made so similar situations don't happen again. I would also like some transparency and decency from this administration, but that may be a stretch. Honestly, my feeling is that war is war, there will be situations where we are outmaneuvered, outmanned, receive poor intel, etc. and soldiers will die. My preference would be that we were not at war. But. My main concern here is that we know what happened and hopefully have a plan to make improvements coming out of it. I seriously doubt we'll find anything so egregious that it results in any high level officials in the Trump administration having to take responsibility. ETA: I think the expectation this in any way besmirches anyone at a high level within the Trump admin is absurd. Absolutely. If the admin is acting callously and carelessly toward our troops, that's a problem we can't ignore. And also... "we are outgunned (what) outmanned (what) outnumbered, outplanned, we gotta make an all-out stand... Hey yo, I'm gonna need a right hand man..." Okay sorry carry on. |
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 8:07:06 GMT -6
I think the fact that the military is doing things all over the world that the public doesn't know about is part of the problem. I think asking why we're in these places and if we actually need to be is very important. I'm not sure, though, that this is actually a problem w/ the military. The program isn't a secret, it's just not well covered by the media. And they were in this particular part of Niger fighting ISIS (ISGS, technically), which as best I can tell is a pursuit most Americans support? I do think there is valid criticism of these advise and assist missions though - having a bunch of troops on the ground who think they're not at war but by default of being US military have a target on their back. I think the public has every right to ask questions over what happened in Niger, or anywhere service members die. |
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Post by cakewench on Oct 20, 2017 8:17:52 GMT -6
You know what? Fuck this guy. We attack Trump because of his backwards policies and racist agenda. The Right spent EIGHT YEARS attacking Obama personally for:
His place of birth
Being a secret Muslim
Having a radical Christian pastor
His place of birth
Showing emotion (including questioning his masculinity for crying, which don't even get me started on how toxic that is)
Wearing a tan suit
His place of birth
His skin color
Sending his kids to private school
His place of birth
Trump can't even go 12 hours without ranting on twitter about a perceived slight.
Also, it's "mettle", not "metal", asshole.
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Post by pesto on Oct 20, 2017 8:22:35 GMT -6
Fuck Paul Ryan.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 8:42:30 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 20, 2017 8:51:33 GMT -6
I love Maddow but this thread debunks her theory that Chadian forces leaving caused the ambush in Niger. Also warns against using this as a political tool like the Republicans did with Benghazi. I need to keep that in mind. I haven't seen the Maddow piece but I do agree with this Twitter thread to a degree. No, we shouldn't hope for anything to turn into Benghazi but I do think it's fair to demand answers though, particularly when we have people like John McCain saying that he doesn't feel Congress has the full story, etc. The petty side of me totally wants to see Trump deal with a Benghazi-esque scandal (not people dying, but him being repeatedly dragged through the mud). I will admit that is petty of me though. I just read the other thread and feel sick to my stomach. If that's truly what happened then it deserves being his Benghazi. But I need to trust that McCain will push for proper investigations. I know he's not the ideal Senator but we know how strongly he feels about the armed forces. I feel confident he won't just let something go. Or maybe I just need to believe that. On matters of national defense, I have total confidence in Senator McCain. And he doesn't play partisan games, so I am comfortable that he and Jack Reed are at the helm of SAFC. I do think they'll get to the bottom of this without turning it into a bunch of nonsense. |
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