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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 11:05:11 GMT -6
dashook I hear why you're saying, but meal planning is difficult when only 2 of your family members are doing it and your youngest, who still doesn't eat meat, survives on yogurt, fruit & cheese. Totally agree. I can't meal plan either which is a big part of why I gave it up. It was just too stressful trying to coordinate everyone separately. And convenience/grab-and-go food is really not an option in most areas (e.g., NYC) so if you haven't prepped your food ahead of time you're kind of SOL. I dealt with it before kids but now it's just too much. |
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Post by sophiegrace on Aug 30, 2017 11:06:47 GMT -6
The other thing with vegan is that it could be much more expensive. The non-dairy bread, milk, butter, yogurt, and ice cream I am buying now is probably double the cost of my normal dairy included items. It also makes going out to eat VERY difficult. But this is all new to me and I haven't found my groove yet. THIS omg our grocery bill before I just stopped eating the 'fun' replacement stuff. It's like they know we're desperate and willing to pay it. Been meaning to ask you...do you like confetti/funfetti cake? If so Duncan Hines perfect size for one confetti cake is safe!! It's one of those mug microwave cake mixes. H found it as a treat for us to eat for our anniversary. Good man. |
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Post by sophiegrace on Aug 30, 2017 11:09:06 GMT -6
My allergies were terrible last night and I could fall asleep. M woke at 1 and I was still awake. She didn't fall asleep until 4. MF 4 am.
And then I cut a 15 foot tree down this morning.
I can be done for the day, right? Please?
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 11:10:12 GMT -6
The other thing with vegan is that it could be much more expensive. The non-dairy bread, milk, butter, yogurt, and ice cream I am buying now is probably double the cost of my normal dairy included items. It also makes going out to eat VERY difficult. But this is all new to me and I haven't found my groove yet. It's interesting that you say that. I always found my grocery bills were much higher when I was vegan and had to buy meat for MH (as opposed to the trips where I was just shopping for myself and not purchasing meat or eggs or dairy products). I was very whole foods plant-based though and I think that can be economical. Especially when you buy things like beans and rice in bulk and cook them up yourself. The yogurts and ice cream are definitely pricey! Maybe it depends on the area where you live a bit too. Around here tofu is $.99 a pound and the next cheapest protein is pork or chicken when it's on sale for $1.49 per pound (usually $2.69/lb. or more). And unsweetened almond milk is cheaper than the organic milk that I buy for DS. Edit for clarity |
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 11:10:51 GMT -6
My allergies were terrible last night and I could fall asleep. M woke at 1 and I was still awake. She didn't fall asleep until 4. MF 4 am. And then I cut a 15 foot tree down this morning. I can be done for the day, right? Please? ?!? |
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Post by hangry on Aug 30, 2017 11:20:24 GMT -6
The other thing with vegan is that it could be much more expensive. The non-dairy bread, milk, butter, yogurt, and ice cream I am buying now is probably double the cost of my normal dairy included items. It also makes going out to eat VERY difficult. But this is all new to me and I haven't found my groove yet. THIS omg our grocery bill before I just stopped eating the 'fun' replacement stuff. It's like they know we're desperate and willing to pay it. Been meaning to ask you...do you like confetti/funfetti cake? If so Duncan Hines perfect size for one confetti cake is safe!! It's one of those mug microwave cake mixes. H found it as a treat for us to eat for our anniversary. Good man. omg, I need this in my life! I started to get all sad about not having a good/fun cake or cupcake for E's 1st birthday. This could work! |
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Post by sophiegrace on Aug 30, 2017 11:22:34 GMT -6
dashook I might be talking for myself but hangry and I can't have soy either. Most things that use an alternative type of lecithin are $$$$. Soy lecithin is in just about every processed food.
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Post by hangry on Aug 30, 2017 11:23:59 GMT -6
The other thing with vegan is that it could be much more expensive. The non-dairy bread, milk, butter, yogurt, and ice cream I am buying now is probably double the cost of my normal dairy included items. It also makes going out to eat VERY difficult. But this is all new to me and I haven't found my groove yet. It's interesting that you say that. I always found my grocery bills were much higher when I was vegan and had to buy meat for MH (as opposed to the trips where I was just shopping for myself and not purchasing meat or eggs or dairy products). I was very whole foods plant-based though and I think that can be economical. Especially when you buy things like beans and rice in bulk and cook them up yourself. The yogurts and ice cream are definitely pricey! Maybe it depends on the area where you live a bit too. Around here tofu is $.99 a pound and the next cheapest protein is pork or chicken when it's on sale for $1.49 per pound (usually $2.69/lb. or more). And unsweetened almond milk is cheaper than the organic milk that I buy for DS. Edit for clarity I guess I only have experience with the dairy end of it. Not meat. So I can see how that would be different. I also don't buy organic regularly, so buying anything "special" is more expensive for me. |
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Post by hangry on Aug 30, 2017 11:24:22 GMT -6
dashook I might be talking for myself but hangry and I can't have soy either. Most things that use an alternative type of lecithin are $$$$. Soy lecithin is in just about every processed food. And this ^^ |
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 11:24:51 GMT -6
dashook I might be talking for myself but hangry and I can't have soy either. Most things that use an alternative type of lecithin are $$$$. Soy lecithin is in just about every processed food. Riiiight right of course, so cheap tofu is no help to you. D'oh! |
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Post by hangry on Aug 30, 2017 11:25:20 GMT -6
Also sophiegrace, since the allergen diagnoses, have you given up the rest of those things? How's M doing? |
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Post by sophiegrace on Aug 30, 2017 11:25:41 GMT -6
My allergies were terrible last night and I could fall asleep. M woke at 1 and I was still awake. She didn't fall asleep until 4. MF 4 am. And then I cut a 15 foot tree down this morning. I can be done for the day, right? Please? ?!? The quote to take it down and hail it was $750. I joked around with H saying I should just do it myself. He pretty much told me it was much harder than it looked to do and that I should just let someone else do it. Shots fired. I'm such a stubborn ass. That tree was coming down even if I had to blow it up after that comment. |
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 11:28:36 GMT -6
The quote to take it down and hail it was $750. I joked around with H saying I should just do it myself. He pretty much told me it was much harder than it looked to do and that I should just let someone else do it. Shots fired. I'm such a stubborn ass. That tree was coming down even if I had to blow it up after that comment. ILY. Reason #857983 that you are a total badass. |
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Post by kleigh on Aug 30, 2017 11:38:08 GMT -6
sophiegrace I can't picture you cutting down a tree... I mean strength wise yes, but I can only imagine the tree was bigger than you 😂 H thinks he is serious but I know he also doesn't expect me to figure it all out and also I doubt that man can go very long without meat. Like I explained to him there's a whole nutrition aspect too and as are kids are just starting to eat, sure they may not eat meat but as far as calcium I would want them to eat yogurt and milk at least. I know there's other options but I just don't have the time to do all the research. In the meantime I agreed that I'd replace a couple meals a week with things like black bean and veggie quesadillas or rice bowls or soups etc. But only to the extent that I'm not stressing myself doing it. Maybe a spin off of the healthy eating we can get some suggestions from people in the vegan know? Maybe also TW for animal death As far as the animal welfare this is actually more my own reason for being willing to give it up or not being a HUGE meat person. I cannot stand the thought of animals being killed for me to eat. And then when I eat the meat all I can think about is the animal. I usually only get a few bites in before calling it quits. There's exceptions, ground beef and pork are the easiest thing for me to be able to eat, I don't know why but it has something to do with consistency I think. Like chicken is one of the hardest things for me to eat, I think the tendons and such just are in my face reminders. I get the same issue with eggs but I can usually eat hard boiled or if it's cooked certain ways. Edit spelling and words
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Post by kleigh on Aug 30, 2017 11:43:44 GMT -6
Posting here to catch anyone not in the birthday thread.
If anyone sees a baby girl chambray shirt onesie can you please alert me ?!
Seems they are all normal shirts and if I do a tutu I'm not sure if it'll stay tucked in.
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Post by goldenlove on Aug 30, 2017 11:58:31 GMT -6
Posting here to catch anyone not in the birthday thread. If anyone sees a baby girl chambray shirt onesie can you please alert me ?! Seems they are all normal shirts and if I do a tutu I'm not sure if it'll stay tucked in. Thanks for giving me something to do since I don't feel like working. |
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Post by jubilantsquirrel on Aug 30, 2017 12:15:40 GMT -6
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Post by vino on Aug 30, 2017 12:21:20 GMT -6
The other thing with vegan is that it could be much more expensive. The non-dairy bread, milk, butter, yogurt, and ice cream I am buying now is probably double the cost of my normal dairy included items. It also makes going out to eat VERY difficult. But this is all new to me and I haven't found my groove yet. It's interesting that you say that. I always found my grocery bills were much higher when I was vegan and had to buy meat for MH (as opposed to the trips where I was just shopping for myself and not purchasing meat or eggs or dairy products). I was very whole foods plant-based though and I think that can be economical. Especially when you buy things like beans and rice in bulk and cook them up yourself. The yogurts and ice cream are definitely pricey! Maybe it depends on the area where you live a bit too. Around here tofu is $.99 a pound and the next cheapest protein is pork or chicken when it's on sale for $1.49 per pound (usually $2.69/lb. or more). And unsweetened almond milk is cheaper than the organic milk that I buy for DS. Edit for clarity This. Meat is effing expensive and overall would be cheaper or balance out. Again, depending where you live. |
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Post by vino on Aug 30, 2017 12:26:41 GMT -6
I'll sit on dashook's bench on feeling about vegan. I am not vegan but I completely understand the passion that Animal Rights activists have about the treatment of animals purely for food, that people can live without. And lol to 'milk doesnt have a face' unless you drink almond milk thats a pretty fucking stupid statement. Milk comes from cows yo. Still laughing... Umm you don't kill an animal to have milk which is my point. So laugh away but milk is a by product and doesn't in fact have a face. It comes from cows (or goats) that does have a face yes but it does not. Semantics. And seriously, 'intimate' knowledge of cows getting treated very, very well. Again, laughing. Please do not sit on the bench all mighty about animal welfare, passionate vegans will destroy you with knowledge and facts. |
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Post by aggiebug on Aug 30, 2017 12:37:02 GMT -6
Umm you don't kill an animal to have milk which is my point. So laugh away but milk is a by product and doesn't in fact have a face. It comes from cows (or goats) that does have a face yes but it does not. Semantics. And seriously, 'intimate' knowledge of cows getting treated very, very well. Again, laughing. Please do not sit on the bench all mighty about animal welfare, passionate vegans will destroy you with knowledge and facts. Passionate vegans have not worked with dairy farmers and on dairy farms and they cannot destroy me with knowledge and facts. I have the knowledge and the facts and I will stand by my experience, by science and by agriculture education. I would love to have a discussion about animal welfare and practices, thing most 'passionate vegans' don't discussion the berate argue and don't listen. It is, well was since I stay at home now, my job. I know exactly what I am talking about. Again I understand the decision to go vegan I am not trying to belittle that decision but I will get on my soapbox about animal welfare and against the multitude of misleading propaganda about the animal industry/agriculture etc. The Clinton comment is bs, not founded on science and amusingly enough as a vegan we would eat omlettes and fish.... |
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Post by vino on Aug 30, 2017 12:45:59 GMT -6
I remember why I cannot and do not generally engage with you aggiebug. You are always right. It must be so exhausting. I will refrain from tagging in my vegan contact because thats not what this thread is for, so you KOKO in your thoughts and deeming them as 'animal welfare'. |
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Post by aggiebug on Aug 30, 2017 13:00:17 GMT -6
I remember why I cannot and do not generally engage with you aggiebug. You are always right. It must be so exhausting. I will refrain from tagging in my vegan contact because thats not what this thread is for, so you KOKO in your thoughts and deeming them as 'animal welfare'. Thanks. No I am not always right and I am happy to discuss, listen and learn. I do often keep my mouth shut around here unless it's something I do know a lot about (because I like to ...::gasp:: listen and learn) so maybe that is where your preception of me comes from, my apologies. |
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Post by tgrimes on Aug 30, 2017 13:03:51 GMT -6
Wait, vegans can eat fish & omelettes?
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Post by tgrimes on Aug 30, 2017 13:04:44 GMT -6
That's not correct, is it?
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Post by aggiebug on Aug 30, 2017 13:09:43 GMT -6
Wait, vegans can eat fish & omelettes? No which was kind of my point. He made claims called himself a vegan and really wasn't :/. |
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Post by waitwhat on Aug 30, 2017 13:17:23 GMT -6
I do not want to keep my membership to this one nap group. Anyone want to take mine? I'll do a timeshare if you're willing to take mine for a few days as well? waitwhat you want in? JFC yes. |
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Post by waitwhat on Aug 30, 2017 13:40:43 GMT -6
tgrimes did I miss an update? Did you get your flight situation all squared away?
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 13:49:24 GMT -6
Semantics. And seriously, 'intimate' knowledge of cows getting treated very, very well. Again, laughing. Please do not sit on the bench all mighty about animal welfare, passionate vegans will destroy you with knowledge and facts. Passionate vegans have not worked with dairy farmers and on dairy farms and they cannot destroy me with knowledge and facts. I have the knowledge and the facts and I will stand by my experience, by science and by agriculture education. I would love to have a discussion about animal welfare and practices, thing most 'passionate vegans' don't discussion the berate argue and don't listen. It is, well was since I stay at home now, my job. I know exactly what I am talking about. Again I understand the decision to go vegan I am not trying to belittle that decision but I will get on my soapbox about animal welfare and against the multitude of misleading propaganda about the animal industry/agriculture etc. The Clinton comment is bs, not founded on science and amusingly enough as a vegan we would eat omlettes and fish.... So, first of all let's set aside Clinton because he has nothing to do with my personal thoughts, opinions, and experiences. And I understand you are not belittling the decision to go vegan, so you don't have to reiterate that. But. I simply don't agree with you that these animals are not abused. Right here this is a difference of opinion. It has nothing to do with your version of the facts, or mine. You say the animals are treated well and cared for. Fine. Let's assume that you are 100% and the cows are treated kindly (as opposed to beaten) and are well-cared for (as opposed to neglected). I don't agree that taking a mother's baby away from her constitutes good treatment. Period. I don't agree that being hooked up to a milking machine for hours upon hours, day after day, sounds like a fun time. I just don't and your facts are not going to change my feelings on those aspects of how cow's milk is produced on a mass scale. Also, re: the above post, which passionate vegans are you talking about? Is it so impossible that some of them have worked in the dairy industry? In fact, some of them did so and it was a driving factor in their decision to not partake in the "byproducts" of animal agriculture as you call them. Some of them were vegan and went undercover to work in the industry. It's a pretty sweeping statement to essentially say that no one except you has knowledge and facts, or science or education. Do vegans sometimes rely on and/or advance misleading propaganda? Absolutely. The dairy industry is also notorious for doing the same. I recently watched a television commercial for milk that actually was oddly similar to a negative political campaign ad in that its purpose was less to advertise milk than it was to talk about how almond milk isn't really that good for you. Like, why? Because dairy sales are going down so now they have to attack the alternatives? Nutrition facts speak for themselves. One more thing. I'm not trying to pile on, but I'm going to join vino here. I have purposely not engaged with you on topics like this in the past. You say that you are up for discussions but in almost any thread where anything even vaguely related to agriculture has come up, you have specifically used the word "soapbox" to describe your thoughts (including in the quoted post above), and I just feel I should point out that I don't personally feel that immediately jumping to the soapbox is the way to engage in a discussion. Frankly, I still recall an instance pretty early on in all of our N16 pregnancies where I made a comment in a thread about the quality of my eggs and you jumped in with a whole long thing (over multiple posts in the same thread) about how no one knows anything about how eggs are raised and if we did we would know that it doesn't matter how the chickens are raised and blah blah blah. It really rubbed me the wrong way (clearly since I still remember it). I chose not to say anything at the time because I didn't want to create bad blood in the BMB so early on but hopefully we all "know" each other well enough at this point for me to say something now. I'm not saying it to bring you down. ILY and I'm glad you are a part of our board. I just feel that it's disingenuous of me at this point to post a long-ass response like this without letting you know that vino is not the only one who has reacted this way to your posts. |
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Post by tgrimes on Aug 30, 2017 13:55:48 GMT -6
tgrimes did I miss an update? Did you get your flight situation all squared away? As of now, I'm on a flight for Saturday. If it changes, I'll fly to San Antonio & my in laws will come pick me up. |
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Post by dashook on Aug 30, 2017 13:57:04 GMT -6
tgrimes did I miss an update? Did you get your flight situation all squared away? As of now, I'm in a flight for Saturday. If it changes, I'll fly to San Antonio & my in laws will come pick me up. I hope everything works out and goes really smoothly. I'm so anxious for you to get home--I can only imagine how you must feel! |
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