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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 14:22:19 GMT -6
With love, do you really think there's a resolution to this? No probably not I will sweep it under the rug like I do family stuff I don't want you to do that. It's more just that I see it my way, she sees it hers, and we're not going to budge. Everyone can just decide for themselves where they fall. They don't owe me or her agreement with our takes, so there's nothing to debate really and I just don't want you to be hurt by this. I know it can cut deep on top of other stuff.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 14:23:04 GMT -6
I don't think anyone lied. I think STP overreacted (which she's admitted to), but that to her the PMs legit felt nasty. Would I have personally used that word for them? I dunno, but it doesn't matter because it didn't happen to me. I do not believe this opens the door to a slippery slope of folks telling wild tales about other posters and being believed willy nilly. Saying this only because of the idea that folks are just cool with lying. I don't enjoy lying. I do not think lying occurred here. I realize others disagree. Did you read the pms? Did you read scout's posts here? She did not say felt nasty to her. She said she was sent nasty pms. Even with multiple people seeing the pms with their own eyes, Even with multiple people questioning where were the nasty pms?, Even with multiple posts where scout herself walked back the nasty pms thing, Even with scout herself saying maybe she should not have said nasty, It's amazing to me that you all can't just let it be where it is. You still will make a post declaring "I don't think anyone lied." This is the same crowd that loves to say let's not KTSE. Let's use poster behavior. However, here in this instance we should not. No reason to believe if she lied on one she would lie on another. This is fascinating for me. It really is. She showed her whole ass and when the pms were laid out for all to see it was tag the admin tage the admin tag the admin. Yet, I do not think lying occurred here. Like wow.
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Post by microworm on Jul 27, 2023 14:24:53 GMT -6
JK I already know what I'm doing and don't want to think about it anymore. I actually do need to discuss such things for myself.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 14:25:52 GMT -6
Like do not say you don't want to rehash but then you rehash. Then when I respond, it's an issue.
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Post by pobre on Jul 27, 2023 14:39:12 GMT -6
If someone says that something was nasty, that is their opinion. Nasty is an adjective and a subjective one at that.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jul 27, 2023 14:46:57 GMT -6
JK I already know what I'm doing and don't want to think about it anymore. I actually do need to discuss such things for myself. Please start a thread.
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Post by microworm on Jul 27, 2023 14:55:33 GMT -6
I actually do need to discuss such things for myself. Please start a thread. But we're having so much fun in here
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 15:55:26 GMT -6
I love this thread. All you have to do is sit back and read it and people are showing you who they are.
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Post by Rusty Red on Jul 27, 2023 15:56:53 GMT -6
Don't we all already pretty much have set perceptions about other users? Or at least the regular ones?
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 16:22:05 GMT -6
A call out thread was made with an accusation. When you come to the board saying someone did something to you. To me, that's not an opinion that's an accusation. She did not make that statement in a vacuum and then nothing came of it. It was also her actions that followed what she said. At one point she even denied saying the word nasty. She said she didn't use that word until after the pms were posted. (The polygraph showed that was a lie. Sorry misrepresentation.)
When people (more than me) started questioning where's the nasty pm - it was deflection, not answering, then well it was nasty to me. Well, I told her don't pm me.
We are all grown. No one is dumb here. She is not new. She knew exactly what she was doing. She knew it would get a reaction from all of us.
I do not think she knew phil would post the pms at all. Hence the tagging of admin back to back when it was on the board for everyone to see.
Do not play anyone here like we are stupid. What happened yesterday was she got the shock of her life that the woman posted the pms. It's sad that you can't (or won't) see the forest for the trees because you hated posting with philo. For me, it's not about philo. Fuck her.
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Post by sweptaway on Jul 27, 2023 16:24:05 GMT -6
If someone says that something was nasty, that is their opinion. Nasty is an adjective and a subjective one at that.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 16:24:40 GMT -6
Today has shown me that it's ok to lie, embellish, make up scenarios here as long as you are the "right" person. Got it.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 16:39:47 GMT -6
I know if I accuse someone of doing something here my shit has to be tight and right. My shit better be correct. I need witnesses, receipts, screenshots, all of it and not just one would suffice.
None of that. I have to prove my shit every time. I have to keep my screenshots and my receipts always and forever, amen. That's ok though. I am used to it. Nothing new. I am a WOC in the USA with black children. I know how to keep my receipts. I know the power yt tears and hurt feelings carry. I am already on it. POC already know how to tackle this in our personal spaces, in the workplace, in our kids' schools.
Certain people get the oops and then people will blindly WK them with the "she was having a bad day" "she overreacted." Some of you will always post an "I see her side" even when that side is full of shit and clear as mud. (A la plantation weddings).
This shit is hilarious.
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Post by TheoV2 on Jul 27, 2023 16:44:22 GMT -6
I'm sorry McBenny. Truly. I'm not sure what else to say right now.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 16:53:43 GMT -6
I'm sorry McBenny . Truly. I'm not sure what else to say right now. You don't have to say anything to me. I am fine. I just find it hilarious. I find it juvenile that grown women cannot set aside their personal feelings for philo to see that an exaggerated accusation is a problem. It's not fair. It's not right. It does not have to be done to someone you like. ETA - My apologies. Clearly the message here is that it is ok to do when it is someone you don't like. The truth is a mcbenny issue.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 17:00:51 GMT -6
As far as I am concerned yesterday was a great day. It warmed my heart and my spirit. Any day that bullshit gets exposed is a great day to me.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 18:08:27 GMT -6
Don't we all already pretty much have set perceptions about other users? Or at least the regular ones? Yet you should still be able to see that wrong is wrong. Someone once accused Ghostmonkey of shaming people in the motivation thread and I was clutching pearls and saying that’s not true. Why? Because why tell a lie like that on her for no reason. I don’t have to like you to say no need to lie on a bitch
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jul 27, 2023 18:23:22 GMT -6
Don't we all already pretty much have set perceptions about other users? Or at least the regular ones? Yet you should still be able to see that wrong is wrong. Someone once accused Ghostmonkey of shaming people in the motivation thread and I was clutching pearls and saying that’s not true. Why? Because why tell a lie like that on her for no reason. I don’t have to like you to say no need to lie on a bitch This makes perfect sense in 99% of scenarios. I don’t know why I feel this way, but I am comfortable that lying on Phil is not a blip on my radar. Telling a lie on other posters who don’t troll literally everyone is not okay.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jul 27, 2023 18:24:04 GMT -6
I don’t know why I’m still here. I had too much time on my hands today.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 21:09:11 GMT -6
Yet you should still be able to see that wrong is wrong. Someone once accused Ghostmonkey of shaming people in the motivation thread and I was clutching pearls and saying that’s not true. Why? Because why tell a lie like that on her for no reason. I don’t have to like you to say no need to lie on a bitch This makes perfect sense in 99% of scenarios. I don’t know why I feel this way, but I am comfortable that lying on Phil is not a blip on my radar. Telling a lie on other posters who don’t troll literally everyone is not okay. The thing is is you were to say I see it and I don't care cause it's Philo, that would be one thing. But to come in here today, oh I don't think it was a lie. Oh it was an embellishment. Oh she overreacted. Why try to give an out? Just be in the I don't care cause Philo place. But that's not what happens.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 27, 2023 21:09:32 GMT -6
You can call a crock of shit anything it's still bullshit.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 28, 2023 7:12:21 GMT -6
Yet you should still be able to see that wrong is wrong. Someone once accused Ghostmonkey of shaming people in the motivation thread and I was clutching pearls and saying that’s not true. Why? Because why tell a lie like that on her for no reason. I don’t have to like you to say no need to lie on a bitch This makes perfect sense in 99% of scenarios. I don’t know why I feel this way, but I am comfortable that lying on Phil is not a blip on my radar. Telling a lie on other posters who don’t troll literally everyone is not okay. And this is how injustices continue to happen. When you stay silent on the small things then the likelihood of speaking out on the big things are slim to none. It’s ok. Being loud is only some of us ministry.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Jul 28, 2023 7:51:05 GMT -6
This makes perfect sense in 99% of scenarios. I don’t know why I feel this way, but I am comfortable that lying on Phil is not a blip on my radar. Telling a lie on other posters who don’t troll literally everyone is not okay. And this is how injustices continue to happen. When you stay silent on the small things then the likelihood of speaking out on the big things are slim to none. It’s ok. Being loud is only some of us ministry. I see this. And I am glad that there are posters that will always fight the fight. Truly mean that. I can only speak for myself, but I don't have close friends on here. I know, like, 3 people's real names. I almost never get pms. I rarely get into it with other posters. Because of this, I am not likely to attack or defend, unless it is something really egregious. In this case, philo broke TOU. I am glad there is a discussion happening about TOU because STP, admittedly, was over dramatic and this shit show ensued. I feel like she owned up to it, but I understand why others have a bigger problem with her actions.
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Jul 28, 2023 9:00:58 GMT -6
Best compliment you've ever given me. I actually respect you, and feel we've come to a better place in our dynamic, so I'm curious about this. I mean AGAIN, YES I was ridiculous. That's established. But you really think I had to be purposefully plotting and embellishing to just grab the word nasty, when I did indeed consider it to be pretty shitty behavior? eta this is me actually wanting the convo, to be clear i'm pages behind in this but my god everyone. it all boils down to semantics.
STP has the right to feel the way she feels about Philo messaging her against her wishes.
So sure, she didn't word her comments to correctly express herself in the heat of the moment.
Let it fucking go at this point. She has explained herself repeatedly. she didn't lie. she didn't set a trap.
yet here we are beating a dead horse.
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Post by sterling on Jul 28, 2023 9:01:14 GMT -6
I know if I accuse someone of doing something here my shit has to be tight and right. My shit better be correct. I need witnesses, receipts, screenshots, all of it and not just one would suffice. None of that. I have to prove my shit every time. I have to keep my screenshots and my receipts always and forever, amen. That's ok though. I am used to it. Nothing new. I am a WOC in the USA with black children. I know how to keep my receipts. I know the power yt tears and hurt feelings carry. I am already on it. POC already know how to tackle this in our personal spaces, in the workplace, in our kids' schools. Certain people get the oops and then people will blindly WK them with the "she was having a bad day" "she overreacted." Some of you will always post an "I see her side" even when that side is full of shit and clear as mud. (A la plantation weddings). This shit is hilarious. This was well said, McB.
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Post by wasabi on Jul 28, 2023 9:08:12 GMT -6
I actually respect you, and feel we've come to a better place in our dynamic, so I'm curious about this. I mean AGAIN, YES I was ridiculous. That's established. But you really think I had to be purposefully plotting and embellishing to just grab the word nasty, when I did indeed consider it to be pretty shitty behavior? eta this is me actually wanting the convo, to be clear i'm pages behind in this but my god everyone. it all boils down to semantics.
STP has the right to feel the way she feels about Philo messaging her against her wishes.
So sure, she didn't word her comments to correctly express herself in the heat of the moment.
Let it fucking go at this point. She has explained herself repeatedly. she didn't lie. she didn't set a trap.
yet here we are beating a dead horse.
I’m guilty of posts like these, but telling people to stop beating the dead horse is just like beating it but with a prettier stick.
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Post by fb on Jul 28, 2023 9:10:19 GMT -6
I actually respect you, and feel we've come to a better place in our dynamic, so I'm curious about this. I mean AGAIN, YES I was ridiculous. That's established. But you really think I had to be purposefully plotting and embellishing to just grab the word nasty, when I did indeed consider it to be pretty shitty behavior? eta this is me actually wanting the convo, to be clear i'm pages behind in this but my god everyone. it all boils down to semantics.
STP has the right to feel the way she feels about Philo messaging her against her wishes.
So sure, she didn't word her comments to correctly express herself in the heat of the moment.
Let it fucking go at this point. She has explained herself repeatedly. she didn't lie. she didn't set a trap.
yet here we are beating a dead horse.
You came “pages behind” to unironically tell everyone to let it fucking go.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 28, 2023 12:38:37 GMT -6
And this is how injustices continue to happen. When you stay silent on the small things then the likelihood of speaking out on the big things are slim to none. It’s ok. Being loud is only some of us ministry. I see this. And I am glad that there are posters that will always fight the fight. Truly mean that. I can only speak for myself, but I don't have close friends on here. I know, like, 3 people's real names. I almost never get pms. I rarely get into it with other posters. Because of this, I am not likely to attack or defend, unless it is something really egregious. In this case, philo broke TOU. I am glad there is a discussion happening about TOU because STP , admittedly, was over dramatic and this shit show ensued. I feel like she owned up to it, but I understand why others have a bigger problem with her actions. I just want to say, I know many people don't care enough to get involved and that's ok. I truly respect it. It's the people that no matter the admissions continue to refuse to call it what it was. Even when the person themselves changes the events again and again when questioned, some people will still come in and defend them. I fully respect the people that just stay out of it. I fully respect the people who say, I see it, but I don't care cause it is philo. For me, the bullshit was the people who logged on the next morning to say embellishment and overreaction. Like bitch come the fuck on. Most of us have been posting together well over a decade. Does this person have a history of being at a loss for words? Frazzled? No and no. TL:DR - the people who don't care enough to get involved are not the problem.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 28, 2023 12:48:33 GMT -6
I actually respect you, and feel we've come to a better place in our dynamic, so I'm curious about this. I mean AGAIN, YES I was ridiculous. That's established. But you really think I had to be purposefully plotting and embellishing to just grab the word nasty, when I did indeed consider it to be pretty shitty behavior? eta this is me actually wanting the convo, to be clear i'm pages behind in this but my god everyone. it all boils down to semantics.
STP has the right to feel the way she feels about Philo messaging her against her wishes.
So sure, she didn't word her comments to correctly express herself in the heat of the moment.
Let it fucking go at this point. She has explained herself repeatedly. she didn't lie. she didn't set a trap.
yet here we are beating a dead horse.
This is you coming in on day 3 though? This is helping to bury the horse? LOL. Like you literally came in an hour after the last post to...bring it up again? LOL Brava
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Post by McBenny on Jul 28, 2023 12:50:43 GMT -6
i'm pages behind in this but my god everyone. it all boils down to semantics.
STP has the right to feel the way she feels about Philo messaging her against her wishes.
So sure, she didn't word her comments to correctly express herself in the heat of the moment.
Let it fucking go at this point. She has explained herself repeatedly. she didn't lie. she didn't set a trap.
yet here we are beating a dead horse.
You came “pages behind” to unironically tell everyone to let it fucking go. literal days later
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