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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:53:33 GMT -6
I said the majority. Not every fan. Ok and I disagree I think it’s white women and their kids Lol. Soooo… I stand by my point.
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 11:54:53 GMT -6
The most upsetting thing about all this Taylor shit is that I just learned she is only 3 years younger than me. HOW? She’s been making albums for 18 years. 🥲
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:54:57 GMT -6
Ok and I disagree I think it’s white women and their kids Lol. Soooo… I stand by my point. But you brought religion into it and I am disagreeing with that point and that she is threatening her brand to speak out for LGBTQ+ rights ETA: or maybe not threatening but speaking out when her fans may disagree
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:56:00 GMT -6
I’ll say it again should Taylor be canceled no, but I think she gets a white girl pass on a lot of shit others don’t Others feel otherwise so it’s whatever I think this is the first time in the history of blinds I’m defending TS, but I ask again, what do you want from her? She separated herself from the guy. He sounds horrible. Making out with him was a bad call. But, if it’s not being cancelled, what do you think she should do here that would make it right, in your eyes?
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Post by Eagles on Jun 6, 2023 11:56:55 GMT -6
brux and SweetPotato were talking about how crazy Taylor’s fans were and I was surprised. I had no idea. Taylor didn’t do a NYC stop because I don’t think we’re her people. 🤣 She did do NJ and Philly and I saw some people I know went, but they all took their kids. I don’t know adult Taylor fans. I just witness it on TikTok. Oh I absolutely have grown friends with no kids who were there. And the whole shutting down 11th Street so they could basically have an unofficial block party thing was wild, and I know people who went to that as well. Will they let Beyoncé fans do that when she's here later this summer? Absolutely not. You didn't get a show because your football stadium is in Jersey 😉
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:57:15 GMT -6
Lol. Soooo… I stand by my point. But you brought religion into it and I am disagreeing with that point and that she is threatening her brand to speak out for LGBTQ+ rights ETA: or maybe not threatening but speaking out when her fans may disagree I would say there’s direct overlap between the white lady and their kid concert group and the group threatened by rainbows in Target.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:57:31 GMT -6
I’ll say it again should Taylor be canceled no, but I think she gets a white girl pass on a lot of shit others don’t Others feel otherwise so it’s whatever I think this is the first time in the history of blinds I’m defending TS, but I ask again, what do you want from her? She separated herself from the guy. He sounds horrible. Making out with him was a bad call. But, if it’s not being cancelled, what do you think she should do here that would make it right, in your eyes? I’ve said I wish people called her out more
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:57:36 GMT -6
brux and SweetPotato were talking about how crazy Taylor’s fans were and I was surprised. I had no idea. Taylor didn’t do a NYC stop because I don’t think we’re her people. 🤣 She did do NJ and Philly and I saw some people I know went, but they all took their kids. I don’t know adult Taylor fans. I just witness it on TikTok. Oh I absolutely have grown friends with no kids who were there. And the whole shutting down 11th Street so they could basically have an unofficial block party thing was wild, and I know people who went to that as well. Will they let Beyoncé fans do that when she's here later this summer? Absolutely not. You didn't get a show because your football stadium is in Jersey 😉 MSG, girl. That’s where Harry was.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:58:02 GMT -6
I think this is the first time in the history of blinds I’m defending TS, but I ask again, what do you want from her? She separated herself from the guy. He sounds horrible. Making out with him was a bad call. But, if it’s not being cancelled, what do you think she should do here that would make it right, in your eyes? I’ve said I wish people called her out more But you said her fans made a whole petition telling her she was wrong, no?
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 11:58:42 GMT -6
But can we all agree the best Matty out there is
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:58:52 GMT -6
I’ve said I wish people called her out more But you said her fans made a whole petition telling her she was wrong, no? Sure It’s fine we will have to agree to disagree
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 11:59:39 GMT -6
Taylor gets called out all the time. I don’t think anything will come from it though.
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Post by Eagles on Jun 6, 2023 11:59:43 GMT -6
People took days off of work to camp out in the parking lot so they could wait in line for hours to buy tour merch. For a concert they didn't have tickets to.
Wild, I tell you.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 12:01:08 GMT -6
People took days off of work to camp out in the parking lot so they could wait in line for hours to buy tour merch. For a concert they didn't have tickets to. Wild, I tell you. TikTok showed me people sleeping in parking garages and such. No one will ever love me the way white ladies love Taylor.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jun 6, 2023 12:01:29 GMT -6
People took days off of work to camp out in the parking lot so they could wait in line for hours to buy tour merch. For a concert they didn't have tickets to. Wild, I tell you. Did they not know they could go to Etsy?
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 12:01:38 GMT -6
Taylor gets called out all the time. I don’t think anything will come from it though. I stand corrected then I don’t see it happen so I didn’t know
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 12:02:38 GMT -6
I can absolutely see why Taylor becoming a progressive advocate might be a threat to her brand. She started as a teenage pop country star, before quickly transitioning to full on pop, but that means her starter base had a lot more people that may lean further right from the get. Her songs are mostly safe enough for more moderate conservative or moderate religious parents to feel ok with their kids listening to that music, I can see that being a big part of her base that has only grown over the years as those young adults grew into parents themselves and now have the 2nd generation of Swifties.
Of course this isn't everyone nor would I ever claim it to be. All of my Swiftie friends are liberal leaning and Christian-lite or agnostic/apathetic about religion. But I see where her appeal comes in for that demographic.
I can distinguish from someone like Pink, for example, who came onto the scene in the late 90s/early 00s as a young woman that was immediately unapologetic for who she was and what she stood for, and has continued to show herself through her music that way. There has never been any confusion on where Pink might stand on a societal/political issue. It is why it makes me laugh when trolls comment on her shit and she's just like "Ok cool fuck off" because she knows it is not a threat to her brand to continue to play to her devoted fan base as the person she is.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jun 6, 2023 12:03:40 GMT -6
I can absolutely see why Taylor becoming a progressive advocate might be a threat to her brand. She started as a teenage pop country star, before quickly transitioning to full on pop, but that means her starter base had a lot more people that may lean further right from the get. Her songs are mostly safe enough for more moderate conservative or moderate religious parents to feel ok with their kids listening to that music, I can see that being a big part of her base that has only grown over the years as those young adults grew into parents themselves and now have the 2nd generation of Swifties. Of course this isn't everyone nor would I ever claim it to be. All of my Swiftie friends are liberal leaning and Christian-lite or agnostic/apathetic about religion. But I see where her appeal comes in for that demographic. I can distinguish from someone like Pink, for example, who came onto the scene in the late 90s/early 00s as a young woman that was immediately unapologetic for who she was and what she stood for, and has continued to show herself through her music that way. There has never been any confusion on where Pink might stand on a societal/political issue. It is why it makes me laugh when trolls comment on her shit and she's just like "Ok cool fuck off" because she knows it is not a threat to her brand to continue to play to her devoted fan base as the person she is. I love Pink. I'm mad I haven't gotten to see her perform yet in my life.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:05:14 GMT -6
I said the majority. Not every fan. Ok and I disagree I think it’s white women and their kids That is who all goes to see her here. I was actually surprised, and I did not know this was a kid thing. I would have assumed and guessed that it was a white woman thing and like a go with your friends concert, but I was all wrong. They went and took their daughters. Wore matching outfits and the like.
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Post by Eagles on Jun 6, 2023 12:07:42 GMT -6
Oh I absolutely have grown friends with no kids who were there. And the whole shutting down 11th Street so they could basically have an unofficial block party thing was wild, and I know people who went to that as well. Will they let Beyoncé fans do that when she's here later this summer? Absolutely not. You didn't get a show because your football stadium is in Jersey 😉 MSG, girl. That’s where Harry was. She's only doing football stadiums though. I personally prefer indoor concerts because I don't want to deal with weather. All my favorite shows were at the Spectrum or Wells Fargo.
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 12:08:32 GMT -6
I can absolutely see why Taylor becoming a progressive advocate might be a threat to her brand. She started as a teenage pop country star, before quickly transitioning to full on pop, but that means her starter base had a lot more people that may lean further right from the get. Her songs are mostly safe enough for more moderate conservative or moderate religious parents to feel ok with their kids listening to that music, I can see that being a big part of her base that has only grown over the years as those young adults grew into parents themselves and now have the 2nd generation of Swifties. Of course this isn't everyone nor would I ever claim it to be. All of my Swiftie friends are liberal leaning and Christian-lite or agnostic/apathetic about religion. But I see where her appeal comes in for that demographic. I can distinguish from someone like Pink, for example, who came onto the scene in the late 90s/early 00s as a young woman that was immediately unapologetic for who she was and what she stood for, and has continued to show herself through her music that way. There has never been any confusion on where Pink might stand on a societal/political issue. It is why it makes me laugh when trolls comment on her shit and she's just like "Ok cool fuck off" because she knows it is not a threat to her brand to continue to play to her devoted fan base as the person she is. I love Pink. I'm mad I haven't gotten to see her perform yet in my life. Ahh girl you have to remedy that. She is legit one of the best entertainers in the business right now. I am seeing her for the 4th time in August and I'm just as excited as I was when I saw her the first time in 2002 (what is time). I love her so much. I am probably Swiftie level obsessed with her. Does that make me a Pinkie?
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Post by Eagles on Jun 6, 2023 12:09:14 GMT -6
People took days off of work to camp out in the parking lot so they could wait in line for hours to buy tour merch. For a concert they didn't have tickets to. Wild, I tell you. Did they not know they could go to Etsy? They needed that official Eras hoodie!
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:11:43 GMT -6
I don't think it's too much to expect a 33 year old woman not to enter into a relationship with a guy known for saying unapologetically problematic things. And to keep him around for *months* says something about Taylor's priorities. I think that’s the thing. People infantilize her when she’s a grown ass woman. They treat her the same way society treats white women. There’s never any real accountability from her. She’s a phony. I could write a dissertation on how dangerous and insidious women like Taylor are. Omg I too could write a whole paper on how TS is problematic but who cares. I also feel that people who care will do the research or the work where I would not have to tell them. I also feel that my good good girlfriends are also going to be people who already get this and I would not have to talk about it. Like my core friend group didn't have to discuss why JTimberlake was an issue - for example. I hate the whole doe eyed "Oh no, what's the issue with Taylor?" Like really bitch? But anyway, I don't care who listens to her. It's the whole putting her on a pedestal like she's the epitome of a girl's girl and a huge ally for women. That being said - I acknowledge that she has talent. I am just glad I live in a space and in a world where I don't hear Taylor Swift in my life. She will never come on my radio. She will never just happen to play on my youtube etc. I love that for me.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 12:11:51 GMT -6
Taylor gets called out all the time. I don’t think anything will come from it though. I stand corrected then I don’t see it happen so I didn’t know Girl what universe are you in? Her whole career has been her and her team putting out fires from shit she did or said. She’s been called out plenty. She’s being called out now. Rinse and repeat. The point is that the people who don’t care will continue to not care. She gets looked at with rose colored eyes by these people bc it’s a projections of how they see themselves.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:12:53 GMT -6
Ha my friends called me the Covid Queen. I’m still waiting for my tiara… It can be you and our cousin Lance for Covid King. I swear he has had it every year and every strain.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:15:32 GMT -6
Look, I'm not a Taylor stan by any means and I think the way everyone is acting about this tour is... a lot. But what does everyone want from her exactly? An apology for dating an asshole (that she never confirmed she was dating)? I dunno, I feel like we've all dated an asshole a time or two, I don't think it necessarily reflects who someone is as a person. Especially if you end the relationship. I don't think it's too much to expect a 33 year old woman not to enter into a relationship with a guy known for saying unapologetically problematic things. And to keep him around for *months* says something about Taylor's priorities. I remember when the Jax and Britney (Vanderpump Rules) had their preacher saying problematic things, there was major backlash and it wasn't even them. They received major criticism for this preacher that was to marry them. This is you laying with this man.
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Post by gingy on Jun 6, 2023 12:15:44 GMT -6
The most upsetting thing about all this Taylor shit is that I just learned she is only 3 years younger than me. HOW? She's three months younger than me. Which is why I related to her so hard as a 17yo who felt things so very deeply.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 12:16:54 GMT -6
I stand corrected then I don’t see it happen so I didn’t know Girl what universe are you in? Her whole career has been her and her team putting out fires from shit she did or said. She’s been called out plenty. She’s being called out now. Rinse and repeat. The point is that the people who don’t care will continue to not care. She gets looked at with rose colored eyes by these people bc it’s a projections of how they see themselves. I guess I ignore or if it’s called out like you said it’s quickly put out and she is back to the top as if nothing happened. She cries her way out of everything and people head pat her
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 12:17:53 GMT -6
I don't think it's too much to expect a 33 year old woman not to enter into a relationship with a guy known for saying unapologetically problematic things. And to keep him around for *months* says something about Taylor's priorities. I remember when the Jax and Britney (Vanderpump Rules) had their preacher saying problematic things, there was major backlash and it wasn't even them. They received major criticism for this preacher that was to marry them. This is you laying with this man. They pretty much lost their job for this.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:20:18 GMT -6
Look, I'm not a Taylor stan by any means and I think the way everyone is acting about this tour is... a lot. But what does everyone want from her exactly? An apology for dating an asshole (that she never confirmed she was dating)? I dunno, I feel like we've all dated an asshole a time or two, I don't think it necessarily reflects who someone is as a person. Especially if you end the relationship. Oh wow. I find this whole stance silly. No one is new here and no one is teens here. She is a grown ass businesswoman, fully aware of her platform, her brand, and her business and social media and all of that. She has been on this journey since she was a teenager. She has been building her brand for years. She wasn't a flushed cheek teenager in this. I find it very dismissive to people who have actual feelings on this to say, "we've all dated an asshole a time or two." We are not global superstars. We do not align ourselves with being all about women and this and that and then do an "ooopsy I didn't know he was a bad man." I mean I expect nothing from here. I this is just one of many things that let's me know who she really is. This isn't a one off to me.
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