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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 12:20:36 GMT -6
I remember when the Jax and Britney (Vanderpump Rules) had their preacher saying problematic things, there was major backlash and it wasn't even them. They received major criticism for this preacher that was to marry them. This is you laying with this man. They pretty much lost their job for this. I thought he was fired for shit he did to Faith?
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 12:21:13 GMT -6
Girl what universe are you in? Her whole career has been her and her team putting out fires from shit she did or said. She’s been called out plenty. She’s being called out now. Rinse and repeat. The point is that the people who don’t care will continue to not care. She gets looked at with rose colored eyes by these people bc it’s a projections of how they see themselves. I guess I ignore or if it’s called out like you said it’s quickly put out and she is back to the top as if nothing happened. She cries her way out of everything and people head pat her I mean yes. But those are people are already don’t fuck with to begin. I’m on the same anti taylor boat here girl. But I think you get caught up with points about people not getting called out when they do, it’s the followers who don’t care. You can give PowerPoint explanations and it still wouldn’t matrrr.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:22:20 GMT -6
I think TS could date a Nazi and her fans wouldn't care.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 12:22:28 GMT -6
Brittany’s mom was super homophobic too. Remember when they roasted Jax and said all the awful shit he does and she was only upset that he might have hooked up with a dude?
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:23:33 GMT -6
Let it have been reversed or Kanye. It would be all over the place.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 6, 2023 12:25:53 GMT -6
I don't think Taylor dating that guy was hurting her brand in any significant way. Her tour is still going strong. Can't get away from it. IG is all "Omg look at this little twirl Taylor did!" Barf. I just scrolled by a post where someone was looking for someone to go to a concert with her, and she was looking at $2500K resale tickets. 😳
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 6, 2023 12:26:39 GMT -6
I mean I still see people going wild over Morgan Wallen, too, despite his very recent overt racism.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 6, 2023 12:27:23 GMT -6
Look, I'm not a Taylor stan by any means and I think the way everyone is acting about this tour is... a lot. But what does everyone want from her exactly? An apology for dating an asshole (that she never confirmed she was dating)? I dunno, I feel like we've all dated an asshole a time or two, I don't think it necessarily reflects who someone is as a person. Especially if you end the relationship. I don't think it's too much to expect a 33 year old woman not to enter into a relationship with a guy known for saying unapologetically problematic things. And to keep him around for *months* says something about Taylor's priorities. Especially knowing that absolutely everything she does will be scrutinized.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 12:27:56 GMT -6
They pretty much lost their job for this. I thought he was fired for shit he did to Faith? Stassi and Kristin were yes and then it came out that Jax had a part with it too. The fact of the matter was the stuff with faith had happened 2 years before they were fired
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 12:28:21 GMT -6
I mean I still see people going wild over Morgan Wallen, too, despite his very recent overt racism. That one is maddening.
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:29:43 GMT -6
Girl what universe are you in? Her whole career has been her and her team putting out fires from shit she did or said. She’s been called out plenty. She’s being called out now. Rinse and repeat. The point is that the people who don’t care will continue to not care. She gets looked at with rose colored eyes by these people bc it’s a projections of how they see themselves. I guess I ignore or if it’s called out like you said it’s quickly put out and she is back to the top as if nothing happened. She cries her way out of everything and people head pat her I see both points of views. She gets into these little bumps of PR but she never receives real major backlash for anything. She still gets held as beloved. The most major thing that I recall (please take it with a grain a salt as TS and her genre isn't part of my real world but I feel like if it reaches me then it's major news) was the ticketmaster thing.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 12:33:04 GMT -6
I guess I ignore or if it’s called out like you said it’s quickly put out and she is back to the top as if nothing happened. She cries her way out of everything and people head pat her I see both points of views. She gets into these little bumps of PR but she never receives real major backlash for anything. She still gets held as beloved. The most major thing that I recall (please take it with a grain a salt as TS and her genre isn't part of my real world but I feel like if it reaches me then it's major news) was the ticketmaster thing. But even that has been happening for years and yet it took Taylor to finally get some attention and it went to the Congress floor with grown men quoting her songs
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Post by leahcar on Jun 6, 2023 12:33:11 GMT -6
I mean I still see people going wild over Morgan Wallen, too, despite his very recent overt racism. That one is maddening. PDQ- There is entirely too much crossover there with my personal life. He's so, so racist. I don't get the enormous number of people who don't give a sh#t.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 12:35:07 GMT -6
Someone in country music is racist? 😱
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Post by McBenny on Jun 6, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -6
I mean I still see people going wild over Morgan Wallen, too, despite his very recent overt racism. Just my opinion - mean yes I know I could be wrong and I am only stating my feelings and not facts - also just piggy backing off this post and not directed to the author: People - white people do not really care about racism. It doesn't affect them the same. Most don't really care. Most might feel it's been blown out of proportion. They do not really care at all. So it's of no shock to me. People voted in an overtly racist prez and all. This tells me a lot. Look at how successful Rush Limbaugh was All the people that spew anti shit continue to work and do well. No one goes for their neck unless it's like Kanye or Chris Brown, LOL. You have more room to say what you want when you are white. Every now and then someone white will lose their job or something. I always believe it's not about their racist remarks that the machine or some fixer behind the scenes decided it was time to get rid of said person.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 6, 2023 12:37:09 GMT -6
Someone in country music is racist? 😱 Lol I know, but most of them have the awareness to at least not use the N word in the 2020s, you know?
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Post by jorkzy on Jun 6, 2023 12:38:40 GMT -6
But was she dating him? Trevor Noah was seen on a date with Tomi Lohren and there was not this response. He confirmed it many times she didn’t apparently. She was dating him and I feel she didn’t confirm so she has an out and everybody is handing her that out Wait. Trevor dated Toni Lauren?? Like before he interviewed her on his show? she was ducking awful to him (and in general) in that interview.
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 12:39:25 GMT -6
Morgan Wallen is in absolutely the right demographic for his racist shit to blow over. Yes yes #notallcountryfans but A WHOLE LOT of country fans.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 12:39:44 GMT -6
Someone in country music is racist? 😱 Lol I know, but most of them have the awareness to at least not use the N word in the 2020s, you know? Omg girl. Someone not using the N word is not not racist. I know you know this. I would feel unsafe at a country concert. I’d be like hyper alert being there.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 6, 2023 12:41:26 GMT -6
Lol I know, but most of them have the awareness to at least not use the N word in the 2020s, you know? Omg girl. Someone not using the N word is not not racist. I know you know this. I would feel unsafe at a country concert. I’d be like hyper alert being there. Yes, I know this. I’m saying that defending and supporting someone that openly uses that word is a little different than attending just any country concert. Not that I would attend any country concert, either. 😂
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 12:54:23 GMT -6
He confirmed it many times she didn’t apparently. She was dating him and I feel she didn’t confirm so she has an out and everybody is handing her that out Wait. Trevor dated Toni Lauren?? Like before he interviewed her on his show? she was ducking awful to him (and in general) in that interview. They were seen at a hotel lounge together after the show. Then he sent her cupcakes. http://instagram.com/p/BNsrNZpB376 So…. Maybe a date? Maybe a hookup? Maybe friends?
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Post by jaygee on Jun 6, 2023 13:09:41 GMT -6
Taylor didn’t use to say anything about anything. Which is fine. I don’t feel like artists and celebrities have to be role models on that front. But then she started speaking out on things like voting and LGBTQ issues and to me it always felt like how brands do things for pride month or Black history month. Like a marketing play, etc. Who knows what she really thinks or feels - it’s all just whatever is going to get her the least heat and be almost advantageous to her bottom line. I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls. I think that was true in the early years which is why she never said or did anything about current events. Then as she grew up and became pop and not just country pop, she got a different audience base and that’s when it started being questioned why she didn’t ever speak out. So then she incorporated stuff and did the whole voting thing. But it’s just never hit as authentic to me. And she has to be careful not to go too far to not turn off that initial base. I know she’s talked about how The Chicks and especially Natalie Maines are an inspiration for her and I’m like, you don’t hold a candle to them. They are much braver than you.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 13:15:12 GMT -6
I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls. I think that was true in the early years which is why she never said or did anything about current events. Then as she grew up and became pop and not just country pop, she got a different audience base and that’s when it started being questioned why she didn’t ever speak out. So then she incorporated stuff and did the whole voting thing. But it’s just never hit as authentic to me. And she has to be careful not to go too far to not turn off that initial base. I know she’s talked about how The Chicks and especially Natalie Maines are an inspiration for her and I’m like, you don’t hold a candle to them. They are much braver than you. The Dixie chicks are amazing. Like true definition of using your privilege but standing for what is right. They have my respect to this day. I think they are the only country album I own. I listened to Taking The Long Way to ad nauseum
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 13:15:38 GMT -6
I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls. I think that was true in the early years which is why she never said or did anything about current events. Then as she grew up and became pop and not just country pop, she got a different audience base and that’s when it started being questioned why she didn’t ever speak out. So then she incorporated stuff and did the whole voting thing. But it’s just never hit as authentic to me. And she has to be careful not to go too far to not turn off that initial base. I know she’s talked about how The Chicks and especially Natalie Maines are an inspiration for her and I’m like, you don’t hold a candle to them. They are much braver than you. www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniesoteriou/taylor-swift-called-out-disingenuous-pride-month-speech
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Post by jaygee on Jun 6, 2023 13:15:43 GMT -6
Wait. Trevor dated Toni Lauren?? Like before he interviewed her on his show? she was ducking awful to him (and in general) in that interview. They were seen at a hotel lounge together after the show. Then he sent her cupcakes. http://instagram.com/p/BNsrNZpB376 So…. Maybe a date? Maybe a hookup? Maybe friends? This is one of those things I just can’t let enter my brain. Why Trevor why? Although I also think she’s faker than shit and she is probably a completely different person irl. I’d still want to puke at first sight of her though.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 13:16:28 GMT -6
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 13:18:06 GMT -6
This is one of those things I just can’t let enter my brain. Why Trevor why? Although I also think she’s faker than shit and she is probably a completely different person irl. I’d still want to puke at first sight of her though. She is the absolute worst.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 13:19:07 GMT -6
I was just about to say lol That whole bit with her dad had me rolling my eyes bc out that would have gone really bad had she picked a racial justice conversation with her trump loving daddy.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 13:20:12 GMT -6
Morgan Wallen is in absolutely the right demographic for his racist shit to blow over. Yes yes #notallcountryfans but A WHOLE LOT of country fans. It’s still wild to me how quick that blew over. If you’re going to be racist, country music is def the career for you.
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Post by jaygee on Jun 6, 2023 13:21:47 GMT -6
I think that was true in the early years which is why she never said or did anything about current events. Then as she grew up and became pop and not just country pop, she got a different audience base and that’s when it started being questioned why she didn’t ever speak out. So then she incorporated stuff and did the whole voting thing. But it’s just never hit as authentic to me. And she has to be careful not to go too far to not turn off that initial base. I know she’s talked about how The Chicks and especially Natalie Maines are an inspiration for her and I’m like, you don’t hold a candle to them. They are much braver than you. www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniesoteriou/taylor-swift-called-out-disingenuous-pride-month-speechThe way I was nodding to each part of this article. Including the hood feminism book quotes (which I’m reading right now).
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