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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:50:10 GMT -6
I haven't even fully cancelled Kanye, so I know I'm not cancelling anyone.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:50:25 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car. But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does. But there’s a space between putting her on a pedestal and cancelling her. I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:50:47 GMT -6
All of this was talked about in this thread when it first came out they were linked and her fans started a change.top petition fir her to stop dating him Guess those petitions really work. Who knew
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:52:02 GMT -6
But there’s a space between putting her on a pedestal and cancelling her. I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally but to this point...answer to who? She's never been known for commenting on her personal life before. She's always been who she is, playing to the middle and not saying or doing anything controversial.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:52:35 GMT -6
But there’s a space between putting her on a pedestal and cancelling her. I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally But answer how? They never even confirmed if they were even dating. And now they’re not. Separating herself from him is the answer.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:53:47 GMT -6
I haven't even fully cancelled Kanye, so I know I'm not cancelling anyone. I will always love his music but the shit he said was horrendous. All the Yeezys in my house went to Poshmark.
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Post by gingy on Jun 6, 2023 10:54:53 GMT -6
And on the flip side, I actually like The 1975. I've been following them for a hot minute. The Matt shit really pisses me off, but he's just one piece of the band. There's some clip of his band launching into the next song while he's gearing up on some "I'm not racist, but..." rant on stage and he has to shut up and sing the song. Oh FFS
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Post by jaygee on Jun 6, 2023 10:55:17 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line I was thinking about that this morning while working out. Like I would never had known that the guy from 1975, a band I probably know like two of their songs, is a problem. I’m sure there are dudes in most bands that are bad news. How does one keep track?
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:56:01 GMT -6
I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally But answer how? They never even confirmed if they were even dating. And now they’re not. Separating herself from him is the answer. I don’t know the answer. It won’t matter anyway
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Post by jaygee on Jun 6, 2023 11:00:46 GMT -6
Taylor didn’t use to say anything about anything. Which is fine. I don’t feel like artists and celebrities have to be role models on that front. But then she started speaking out on things like voting and LGBTQ issues and to me it always felt like how brands do things for pride month or Black history month. Like a marketing play, etc. Who knows what she really thinks or feels - it’s all just whatever is going to get her the least heat and be most advantageous to her bottom line.
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Post by microworm on Jun 6, 2023 11:05:50 GMT -6
The most upsetting thing about all this Taylor shit is that I just learned she is only 3 years younger than me. HOW?
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:06:03 GMT -6
Taylor didn’t use to say anything about anything. Which is fine. I don’t feel like artists and celebrities have to be role models on that front. But then she started speaking out on things like voting and LGBTQ issues and to me it always felt like how brands do things for pride month or Black history month. Like a marketing play, etc. Who knows what she really thinks or feels - it’s all just whatever is going to get her the least heat and be almost advantageous to her bottom line. I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:12:32 GMT -6
Taylor didn’t use to say anything about anything. Which is fine. I don’t feel like artists and celebrities have to be role models on that front. But then she started speaking out on things like voting and LGBTQ issues and to me it always felt like how brands do things for pride month or Black history month. Like a marketing play, etc. Who knows what she really thinks or feels - it’s all just whatever is going to get her the least heat and be almost advantageous to her bottom line. I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls. I don’t believe that is her fan base based on the stuff I see. But again I’m not sure I’m right
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:16:23 GMT -6
Or I should say her only fan base
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:17:44 GMT -6
I would think by speaking out it’s disadvantageous to her bottom line considering the vast majority of her base is middle America religious girls. I don’t believe that is her fan base based on the stuff I see. But again I’m not sure I’m right It definitely is. The influencer-Utah Mormon-Christian Autumn girl-my daughter is my best friend sect love her.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 11:17:59 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:32:32 GMT -6
I don’t believe that is her fan base based on the stuff I see. But again I’m not sure I’m right It definitely is. The influencer-Utah Mormon-Christian Autumn girl-my daughter is my best friend sect love her. I’m just saying that isn’t her only fan group. My sister doesn’t fall into that category nor do her girls or their friends who all went
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:35:30 GMT -6
It definitely is. The influencer-Utah Mormon-Christian Autumn girl-my daughter is my best friend sect love her. I’m just saying that isn’t her only fan group. My sister doesn’t fall into that category nor do her girls or their friends who all went I said the majority. Not every fan.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jun 6, 2023 11:39:21 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line I was thinking about that this morning while working out. Like I would never had known that the guy from 1975, a band I probably know like two of their songs, is a problem. I’m sure there are dudes in most bands that are bad news. How does one keep track? This is me. Every man in the entertainment business would be cancelled. And a good amount of women.
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 11:43:05 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car. But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does. This is where I'm at. She has some songs that are catchy that I don't hate, and I don't think she's a talentless hack or a person out for blood. But I also think she's problematic like miawallace says. And honestly her fans are the worst, not because of the music Taylor makes and it being their taste, because that's not it. And yes yes the Bey hive is annoying af too so I am not saying she's the only one with annoying fans. But my god. She makes some women I am friends with into rabid crying messes. I just simply don't get it.
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Jun 6, 2023 11:43:40 GMT -6
I'm looking into the Taylor and Matt timeline. It was more than one date and anything beyond one date - and assuming Taylor had never come across the trash that came out of Matt's mouth - is too much. November 2022 - Taylor and Matt work on a song together that doesn't make the album. Jan 2023 - Taylor performs at a The 1975 show (Matt's bane) Feb 2023 - Matt says terrible things about Ice Spice and black women March 2023 - Taylor and Ice Spice record a song together April 2023 - Matt sort of apologizes to Ice Spice May 5, 2023 - Matt's at all Taylor's shows, and performed with her opening act May 8, 2023 - they're making out at dinner Throughout May 2023 - still making out with Matt maybe he was just her BDE to get over her breakup.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:44:39 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car. But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does. This is where I'm at. She has some songs that are catchy that I don't hate, and I don't think she's a talentless hack or a person out for blood. But I also think she's problematic like miawallace says. And honestly her fans are the worst, not because of the music Taylor makes and it being their taste, because that's not it. And yes yes the Bey hive is annoying af too so I am not saying she's the only one with annoying fans. But my god. She makes some women I am friends with into rabid crying messes. I just simply don't get it. After having Harry Style here all summer, I would like to throw his fans in that mix too.
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Post by willow on Jun 6, 2023 11:46:09 GMT -6
This is where I'm at. She has some songs that are catchy that I don't hate, and I don't think she's a talentless hack or a person out for blood. But I also think she's problematic like miawallace says. And honestly her fans are the worst, not because of the music Taylor makes and it being their taste, because that's not it. And yes yes the Bey hive is annoying af too so I am not saying she's the only one with annoying fans. But my god. She makes some women I am friends with into rabid crying messes. I just simply don't get it. After having Harry Style here all summer, I would like to throw his fans in that mix too. Well they have been obnoxious since all the 1D nonsense, so yes absolutely I agree. I say this as someone who would gladly hop into bed with him myself.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jun 6, 2023 11:47:08 GMT -6
But there’s a space between putting her on a pedestal and cancelling her. I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally But your comment regarding her tour going strong seemed like you thought she should be canceled. To me, it read like you didn't think your sister and other fans should still go to the shows. I could've just read it wrong though.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 11:47:17 GMT -6
for the record I don’t think she should or needs to be cancelled. Canceling doesn’t work if you’re white either way.
I don’t even care for her to apologize or dump the guy. I frankly don’t give a shit about her. I have more issue with how society views her in particular. The fans are wild, but there’s a reason why people get oddly defensive of her specifically and people should unpack that. Or not but let’s not act the Taylor apologetics are harmless bc they are not.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 11:47:20 GMT -6
brux and SweetPotato were talking about how crazy Taylor’s fans were and I was surprised. I had no idea. Taylor didn’t do a NYC stop because I don’t think we’re her people. 🤣 She did do NJ and Philly and I saw some people I know went, but they all took their kids. I don’t know adult Taylor fans. I just witness it on TikTok.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:47:36 GMT -6
I’m just saying that isn’t her only fan group. My sister doesn’t fall into that category nor do her girls or their friends who all went I said the majority. Not every fan. Ok and I disagree I think it’s white women and their kids
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:49:26 GMT -6
I never said cancel I said I understand why people like her I said she should have to answer for actions while playing the ally But your comment regarding her tour going strong seemed like you thought she should be canceled. To me, it read like you didn't think your sister and other fans should still go to the shows. I could've just read it wrong though. I wasn’t saying to my sister she shouldn’t go. She was wondering why people were surprised she was going still considering Matt because of my sister’s very active ally posting of the black community. I told her what he was about but I also didn’t make her feel bad about going and enjoying herself.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:50:47 GMT -6
I’ll say it again should Taylor be canceled no, but I think she gets a white girl pass on a lot of shit others don’t
Others feel otherwise so it’s whatever
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 11:51:48 GMT -6
This is where I'm at. She has some songs that are catchy that I don't hate, and I don't think she's a talentless hack or a person out for blood. But I also think she's problematic like miawallace says. And honestly her fans are the worst, not because of the music Taylor makes and it being their taste, because that's not it. And yes yes the Bey hive is annoying af too so I am not saying she's the only one with annoying fans. But my god. She makes some women I am friends with into rabid crying messes. I just simply don't get it. After having Harry Style here all summer, I would like to throw his fans in that mix too. 100% with you on this
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