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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:18:36 GMT -6
She did a song with someone he openly criticized so yes I think she was hoping to save face Or… she doesn’t agree with him? I couldn’t be with someone who is racist because they wouldn’t align with my views
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:19:10 GMT -6
I don't think it's too much to expect a 33 year old woman not to enter into a relationship with a guy known for saying unapologetically problematic things. And to keep him around for *months* says something about Taylor's priorities. I think that’s the thing. People infantilize her when she’s a grown ass woman. They treat her the same way society treats white women. There’s never any real accountability from her. She’s a phony. I could write a dissertation on how dangerous and insidious women like Taylor are. I actually googled her age because I was going to give her a little credit for being young and dumb. But she's not.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:19:20 GMT -6
Or… she doesn’t agree with him? I couldn’t be with someone who is racist because they wouldn’t align with my views They’re not together though, right?
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:20:02 GMT -6
Kim 100% was called out about Kanye all before his anti semite when he was anti black She still takes things for him By you? Yes actually. There were many times I felt that she should have spoken out more. She also has children and did before these things happened which makes it harder to just cut ties
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:20:59 GMT -6
I couldn’t be with someone who is racist because they wouldn’t align with my views They’re not together though, right? I guess not. It’s whatever like I said I know I’ll just get to the point where I’m not making sense and I don’t have it in me anymore
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:22:09 GMT -6
Yes actually. There were many times I felt that she should have spoken out more. She also has children and did before these things happened which makes it harder to just cut ties Okay, I’m referring to when there was a convo about Kanye saying horrible anti-Semitic things and Kim stayed quiet.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:27:32 GMT -6
Yes actually. There were many times I felt that she should have spoken out more. She also has children and did before these things happened which makes it harder to just cut ties Okay, I’m referring to when there was a convo about Kanye saying horrible anti-Semitic things and Kim stayed quiet. Well to keep with this trend was she with him at the time? And yes she was taken to task way more than when he said anti black stuff
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 10:29:47 GMT -6
I’ll admit I don’t always treat everyone equal bc I probably don’t know what I need to know. But Taylor will always be on my shit list. she’s always been the problem, her song even agrees.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:30:53 GMT -6
I think that’s the thing. People infantilize her when she’s a grown ass woman. They treat her the same way society treats white women. There’s never any real accountability from her. She’s a phony. I could write a dissertation on how dangerous and insidious women like Taylor are. Like I get it.. but I don’t really know anything about her. Does she act like she’s an ally or pro/for whatever things? Does she actively speak out about things? Yes she does
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 10:32:07 GMT -6
I think that’s the thing. People infantilize her when she’s a grown ass woman. They treat her the same way society treats white women. There’s never any real accountability from her. She’s a phony. I could write a dissertation on how dangerous and insidious women like Taylor are. Like I get it.. but I don’t really know anything about her. Does she act like she’s an ally or pro/for whatever things? Does she actively speak out about things? There are plenty of articles out there that explain why she’s very problematic. She’s truly the epidemy of white Feminism.
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Post by miawallace on Jun 6, 2023 10:32:43 GMT -6
Oh I think Kanye and all the K’s suck.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:35:44 GMT -6
Okay, I’m referring to when there was a convo about Kanye saying horrible anti-Semitic things and Kim stayed quiet. Well to keep with this trend was she with him at the time? And yes she was taken to task way more than when he said anti black stuff But again, was she taken to task by you? I remember us talking about when it happened and we collectively felt really bad for Kim. Kanye sucks. This guy Taylor hung out with probably sucks. I’m just illustrating that there’s a different standard here. For you, Taylor is a horrible person with nefarious agendas. And I think your prior feelings about her may influence that. Maybe she went to dinner and then saw the press on him and figured, fuck that guy. We don’t know. I just am not seeing it as burn her at stake, at this point, until we know more.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:36:19 GMT -6
Google tells me the guy never said they were dating.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:36:31 GMT -6
I'm looking into the Taylor and Matt timeline. It was more than one date and anything beyond one date - and assuming Taylor had never come across the trash that came out of Matt's mouth - is too much.
November 2022 - Taylor and Matt work on a song together that doesn't make the album. Jan 2023 - Taylor performs at a The 1975 show (Matt's bane) Feb 2023 - Matt says terrible things about Ice Spice and black women March 2023 - Taylor and Ice Spice record a song together April 2023 - Matt sort of apologizes to Ice Spice May 5, 2023 - Matt's at all Taylor's shows, and performed with her opening act May 8, 2023 - they're making out at dinner Throughout May 2023 - still making out with Matt
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:37:55 GMT -6
I'm looking into the Taylor and Matt timeline. It was more than one date and anything beyond one date - and assuming Taylor had never come across the trash that came out of Matt's mouth - is too much. November 2022 - Taylor and Matt work on a song together that doesn't make the album. Jan 2023 - Taylor performs at a The 1975 show (Matt's bane) Feb 2023 - Matt says terrible things about Ice Spice and black women March 2023 - Taylor and Ice Spice record a song together April 2023 - Matt sort of apologizes to Ice Spice May 5, 2023 - Matt's at all Taylor's shows, and performed with her opening act May 8, 2023 - they're making out at dinner Throughout May 2023 - still making out with Matt Wait. Explain to me the Ice Spice thing because Google tells me he didn’t say it, some podcast hosts did while he was there. I have no clue who this guy is. Does he have a song I know?
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:38:47 GMT -6
Isn’t Ice Spice being mentored by Taylor? I just saw a TikTok about it. She brought her out on tour and they’re friends or something?
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:40:14 GMT -6
My take on Taylor is simply that she's a prototypical white American woman.
She wants to weep over Trump's reelection, but she also wants to make out with guys she thinks are hot, their personal beliefs be damned.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:41:27 GMT -6
My take on Taylor is simply that she's a prototypical white American woman. She wants to weep over Trump's reelection, but she also wants to make out with guys she thinks are hot, their personal beliefs be damned. Every girl in a college frat house.
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Post by SweetPotato on Jun 6, 2023 10:42:51 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:45:18 GMT -6
I'm looking into the Taylor and Matt timeline. It was more than one date and anything beyond one date - and assuming Taylor had never come across the trash that came out of Matt's mouth - is too much. November 2022 - Taylor and Matt work on a song together that doesn't make the album. Jan 2023 - Taylor performs at a The 1975 show (Matt's bane) Feb 2023 - Matt says terrible things about Ice Spice and black women March 2023 - Taylor and Ice Spice record a song together April 2023 - Matt sort of apologizes to Ice Spice May 5, 2023 - Matt's at all Taylor's shows, and performed with her opening act May 8, 2023 - they're making out at dinner Throughout May 2023 - still making out with Matt Wait. Explain to me the Ice Spice thing because Google tells me he didn’t say it, some podcast hosts did while he was there. I have no clue who this guy is. Does he have a song I know? I didn't hear the podcast. I've read that he either said or laughed along or joined in on the jokes during the podcast comments about Ice Spice. He also apparently said that he watches p*rn of black women being abused. In January, Healy appeared to do a Nazi-style salute during a show while he sang the line “Thank you Kanye, very cool!” As for songs, I think the "I'm in love with you" is popular right now.
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Post by motherofdachshunds on Jun 6, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line I'm here. People who already thought she sucked will take this as more evidence of her sucking. People who like her won't care. Tale as old as time, really.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:47:11 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car.
But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:47:11 GMT -6
Wait. Explain to me the Ice Spice thing because Google tells me he didn’t say it, some podcast hosts did while he was there. I have no clue who this guy is. Does he have a song I know? I didn't hear the podcast. I've read that he either said or laughed along or joined in on the jokes during the podcast comments about Ice Spice. He also apparently said that he watches p*rn of black women being abused. In January, Healy appeared to do a Nazi-style salute during a show while he sang the line “Thank you Kanye, very cool!” As for songs, I think the "I'm in love with you" is popular right now. He’s fucking gross.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:48:12 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car. But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does. This
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Post by gingy on Jun 6, 2023 10:48:16 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line And on the flip side, I actually like The 1975. I've been following them for a hot minute. The Matt shit really pisses me off, but he's just one piece of the band.
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:48:45 GMT -6
I didn't hear the podcast. I've read that he either said or laughed along or joined in on the jokes during the podcast comments about Ice Spice. He also apparently said that he watches p*rn of black women being abused. In January, Healy appeared to do a Nazi-style salute during a show while he sang the line “Thank you Kanye, very cool!” As for songs, I think the "I'm in love with you" is popular right now. He’s fucking gross. that's my only point. He was known to be gross *before* taylor was with him. So it's a bummer to find out she didn't care enough that he was gross.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:48:50 GMT -6
I mean, I'll still sing "shake it off" in my car. But I'm not going to put Taylor on the pedestal her crazy fans do. She has issues, like every musician does. But there’s a space between putting her on a pedestal and cancelling her.
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Post by angelashly on Jun 6, 2023 10:49:17 GMT -6
I didn't hear the podcast. I've read that he either said or laughed along or joined in on the jokes during the podcast comments about Ice Spice. He also apparently said that he watches p*rn of black women being abused. In January, Healy appeared to do a Nazi-style salute during a show while he sang the line “Thank you Kanye, very cool!” As for songs, I think the "I'm in love with you" is popular right now. He’s fucking gross. All of this was talked about in this thread when it first came out they were linked and her fans started a change.top petition fir her to stop dating him
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Post by brux on Jun 6, 2023 10:49:31 GMT -6
I long ago gave up canceling music/musicians for problematic shit. There are so many issues with so many people and I don’t know where to draw the line And on the flip side, I actually like The 1975. I've been following them for a hot minute. The Matt shit really pisses me off, but he's just one piece of the band. There's some clip of his band launching into the next song while he's gearing up on some "I'm not racist, but..." rant on stage and he has to shut up and sing the song.
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Post by Cher on Jun 6, 2023 10:49:56 GMT -6
All of this was talked about in this thread when it first came out they were linked and her fans started a change.top petition fir her to stop dating him Guess those petitions really work.
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