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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 28, 2023 8:55:57 GMT -6
Do we know if they spoke to each other? She testified that she yelled at him loudly and a lot.
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Post by Eagles on Mar 28, 2023 9:12:09 GMT -6
Be he was knocked unconscious? was he though? the ski patrol person who treated him after the collision took the stand yesterday- not a doctor, can't diagnose. she said that although he seemed disoriented/rattled when she approached him, he passed all the tests (who, what, when, where), pupils, etc. and made no mention of being knocked unconscious. if he was, even for a brief moment, DVs protocol would've been to send him off in an ambulance. she spent a few hours with him afterwards in the first aid center while they waited on Ramone and she said his rattled-ness dissipated and his pain/discomfort was just rib pain. There's a reason the NFL has concussion specialists (and there is a lot of controversy around Tua sustaining possibly 3 last season but being allowed to play after the first one). I would not take the word of a ski patrol staff member unless they were also a board certified neurologist.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 9:16:18 GMT -6
was he though? the ski patrol person who treated him after the collision took the stand yesterday- not a doctor, can't diagnose. she said that although he seemed disoriented/rattled when she approached him, he passed all the tests (who, what, when, where), pupils, etc. and made no mention of being knocked unconscious. if he was, even for a brief moment, DVs protocol would've been to send him off in an ambulance. she spent a few hours with him afterwards in the first aid center while they waited on Ramone and she said his rattled-ness dissipated and his pain/discomfort was just rib pain. There's a reason the NFL has concussion specialists (and there is a lot of controversy around Tua sustaining possibly 3 last season but being allowed to play after the first one). I would not take the word of a ski patrol staff member unless they were also a board certified neurologist. Exactly just because he was talking doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a concussion or damage
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Post by bloom on Mar 28, 2023 9:33:14 GMT -6
There's a reason the NFL has concussion specialists (and there is a lot of controversy around Tua sustaining possibly 3 last season but being allowed to play after the first one). I would not take the word of a ski patrol staff member unless they were also a board certified neurologist. Exactly just because he was talking doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a concussion or damage I get that.
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Post by emma on Mar 28, 2023 9:40:19 GMT -6
But if ski patrol weren’t worried enough to call an ambulance then why would you expect for GP to hang around on the slope with him?
also, it’s a dangerous sport, please always wear a helmet
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 9:41:28 GMT -6
But if ski patrol weren’t worried enough to call an ambulance then why would you expect for GP to hang around on the slope with him? also, it’s a dangerous sport, please always wear a helmet I’m not saying she should have for the record
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 9:49:59 GMT -6
Also football players wear helmets and still have many concussions so while yes that would help some it may not have changed the outcome
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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 28, 2023 10:03:35 GMT -6
Wait, was he not wearing a helmet?
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Post by Eagles on Mar 28, 2023 10:09:24 GMT -6
I don't ski so I'm not familiar with the etiquette and protocols but I think any collision followed by disorientation/confusion should require an ambulance.
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Post by emma on Mar 28, 2023 10:13:56 GMT -6
Also football players wear helmets and still have many concussions so while yes that would help some it may not have changed the outcome right exactly. So how much worse would it be if they hadn’t been wearing a helmet? And I’m not saying he wasn’t wearing one, just a PSA to please do. I never used to (early 2000s) then Natasha Richardson died from a head injury when she fell over standing still on the bunny slope. That changed my mind real quick
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 28, 2023 10:15:11 GMT -6
I don't ski so I'm not familiar with the etiquette and protocols but I think any collision followed by disorientation/confusion should require an ambulance. I do agree with this, I don't ski either but it seems odd for that not to be their standard protocol, even if just to cover their own asses. That obviously has nothing to do with GP just a side thing that has me head tilting a little
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 10:18:39 GMT -6
I don't ski so I'm not familiar with the etiquette and protocols but I think any collision followed by disorientation/confusion should require an ambulance. I do agree with this, I don't ski either but it seems odd for that not to be their standard protocol, even if just to cover their own asses. That obviously has nothing to do with GP just a side thing that has me head tilting a little I would assume so too.
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 28, 2023 10:21:02 GMT -6
So did this man have a concussion or no? I'm still a little unclear on that part. Did he see a doctor after the incident or only when he had ongoing issues?
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Post by bloom on Mar 28, 2023 10:23:05 GMT -6
I don't ski so I'm not familiar with the etiquette and protocols but I think any collision followed by disorientation/confusion should require an ambulance. per the ski patrol persons testimony, the disorientation presented in such that it was more in line with him being rattled, not how he was responding, appearing, etc. following the collision. he said he was okay. once he got off the mountain and settled, she tested him more, and he passed all tests and he also remained to claim he was okay with the exception of rib pain.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 10:24:48 GMT -6
So did this man have a concussion or no? I'm still a little unclear on that part. Did he see a doctor after the incident or only when he had ongoing issues? He has lasting brain damage at least
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Post by bloom on Mar 28, 2023 10:27:35 GMT -6
I do agree with this, I don't ski either but it seems odd for that not to be their standard protocol, even if just to cover their own asses. That obviously has nothing to do with GP just a side thing that has me head tilting a little I would assume so too. but at what point can someone refuse care? TS didn't, just hypothetically speaking. like in an auto accident, for example? can they force you to be seen if there's a 'claimed', not apparent head injury? I don't know! there's some personal liability at play.
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 28, 2023 10:29:02 GMT -6
So did this man have a concussion or no? I'm still a little unclear on that part. Did he see a doctor after the incident or only when he had ongoing issues? He has lasting brain damage at least I saw that part, I wasn't sure if GP team was disputing his injuries as well or just saying she wasn't at fault
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 10:32:11 GMT -6
He has lasting brain damage at least I saw that part, I wasn't sure if GP team was disputing his injuries as well or just saying she wasn't at fault Oh I think they were disputing it
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 28, 2023 10:36:14 GMT -6
Her sticking around after to make sure he was okay isn't really a big thing to me, she's not a doctor or medical professional. That's more like the sharing the link thing that I mentioned earlier on his end. Sure, both can go towards their character but as a juror neither of those would affect my decision on who is at fault.
Look at me not knowing anything about any of this and now I'm all in 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 10:39:40 GMT -6
So did this man have a concussion or no? I'm still a little unclear on that part. Did he see a doctor after the incident or only when he had ongoing issues? He has lasting brain damage at least I'm pretty sure I saw it mentioned he already had some brain damage due to prior strokes, which may or may not have been giving him problems before the accident, or could have been exacerbated by the accident. I know there's also been testimony (correction: I'm not sure if it was testimony, but I know I read it was a factor) that he was blind in one eye and limited vision out of the other before this incident.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 28, 2023 10:43:46 GMT -6
But if ski patrol weren’t worried enough to call an ambulance then why would you expect for GP to hang around on the slope with him? also, it’s a dangerous sport, please always wear a helmet I took about 20 years off skiing and I was so happy when I returned to skiing that helmets are now the norm in the CA/NV area. Kids might even be required. But you see very few people without helmets and kids don’t even question it. It’s a relief.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 28, 2023 10:46:34 GMT -6
Concussions are very tricky business. People can definitely realize later that they have a concussion. And even medical professionals can miss signs. I think that’s why that part of this case is just…not ever going to be known.
I agree that the crux of the issue is who was uphill.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 10:46:52 GMT -6
But if ski patrol weren’t worried enough to call an ambulance then why would you expect for GP to hang around on the slope with him? also, it’s a dangerous sport, please always wear a helmet I took about 20 years off skiing and I was so happy when I returned to skiing that helmets are now the norm in the CA/NV area. Kids might even be required. But you see very few people without helmets and kids don’t even question it. It’s a relief. And in addition to keeping the noggin a bit safer, they keep your head warm! It's a win/win scenario in my book. My kids have never once questioned wearing a helmet. DH was a harder cookie to crack, but I eventually just bought him one, told him if he didn't wear it, I would cancel our credit cards every time he even thought of going on a trip so he wouldn't be able to get there or onto the mountain. No drastic measures were necessary, and he's been in a helmet for at least 10 years. But initially so stubborn about it.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 28, 2023 10:49:32 GMT -6
Re: sticking around, she also had her kids with her. So it doesn’t really make sense for three non injured people to just be hanging around while he is being treated. That would make a rather large commotion on the slope which ski patrol doesn’t want or need.
Now, is it likely that she was less than empathetic in her response or had an air? Probably. Is it due to her being GP and generally kid of used to being an asshole? Might be. I just think that part isn’t like her trying to get away with something. She was either being a jerk because she can be or she was also rattled and just didn’t know how to act.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 28, 2023 10:51:08 GMT -6
I took about 20 years off skiing and I was so happy when I returned to skiing that helmets are now the norm in the CA/NV area. Kids might even be required. But you see very few people without helmets and kids don’t even question it. It’s a relief. And in addition to keeping the noggin a bit safer, they keep your head warm! It's a win/win scenario in my book. My kids have never once questioned wearing a helmet. DH was a harder cookie to crack, but I eventually just bought him one, told him if he didn't wear it, I would cancel our credit cards every time he even thought of going on a trip so he wouldn't be able to get there or onto the mountain. No drastic measures were necessary, and he's been in a helmet for at least 10 years. But initially so stubborn about it. I think a lot of men our H’s age that didn’t grow up wearing them and now wear them have been coaxed into them by partners who say you have to set an example for the kids. Lol. But whatever it takes.
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Post by AmyG on Mar 28, 2023 10:56:24 GMT -6
but at what point can someone refuse care? TS didn't, just hypothetically speaking. like in an auto accident, for example? can they force you to be seen if there's a 'claimed', not apparent head injury? I don't know! there's some personal liability at play. People refuse ambulances all the time. They cost a lot. With insurance it may still be a $500 to 1k trip. Dh used to ski every morning in his college town thru winter and was part of ski patrol for a while. has said he saw 1 ambulance and that was a compound fracture with bones showing.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 11:00:54 GMT -6
Re: sticking around, she also had her kids with her. So it doesn’t really make sense for three non injured people to just be hanging around while he is being treated. That would make a rather large commotion on the slope which ski patrol doesn’t want or need. Now, is it likely that she was less than empathetic in her response or had an air? Probably. Is it due to her being GP and generally kid of used to being an asshole? Might be. I just think that part isn’t like her trying to get away with something. She was either being a jerk because she can be or she was also rattled and just didn’t know how to act. I’m going with being a jerk because she is a known jerk
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 11:03:16 GMT -6
but at what point can someone refuse care? TS didn't, just hypothetically speaking. like in an auto accident, for example? can they force you to be seen if there's a 'claimed', not apparent head injury? I don't know! there's some personal liability at play. To me a car accident is different than someone getting hurt at my place of business where technically I can be sued. Yes car accidents can end in litigation but it’s usually the insurance companies and I can’t force the person I hit to go to the hospital
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Post by angelashly on Mar 28, 2023 11:04:26 GMT -6
And as a business owner I’m going to have something that is signed if someone refuses care if I can’t force them that care was offered and refused and I’m no longer liable
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Post by AmyG on Mar 28, 2023 11:14:16 GMT -6
but at what point can someone refuse care? TS didn't, just hypothetically speaking. like in an auto accident, for example? can they force you to be seen if there's a 'claimed', not apparent head injury? I don't know! there's some personal liability at play. To me a car accident is different than someone getting hurt at my place of business where technically I can be sued. Yes car accidents can end in litigation but it’s usually the insurance companies and I can’t force the person I hit to go to the hospital Oh the legaleze on tickets nowadays i had to scroll on my phone for 5 minutes to get to the bottom for the free e-tickets we got for spring training game. They added in all the hold harmless from baseball plus pages on covid. Just having ski patrol check you over and rendering first aid I'm betting the ski place has fully covered their ass.
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