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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 13:04:13 GMT -6
The context of that saying is that the Roy kids were willing to massively overpay for Pierce just...because? No real business reason. Mattson may not have been serious but his deal benefitted shareholders. What real reason did the Roys give to to shareholders as to why they were the best people to guide the company? They were working on their own thing in the beginning but abandoned that to get in a bidding war. Completely emotional and nonsensical. They were set to benefit from the sale and abandoned ship because they were high on their own supply. Ultimately Shiv did them a favor. They have been so immersed in being part of this empire. They were playing the same games with each other their dad was playing. I think Frank voting for the deal communicated to the audience that, for all Mattson’s shortcomings, it was the right business move. Frank was close to Kendall so if anyone would have been swayed, it was him. Speaking of being swayed, Kendall’s big speech? I cringed so hard. One thing that has been left unaddressed is the Pierce deal. The Pierce deal was contingent on the funding coming to the kids from the Mattson deal, so since the Mattson deal is done, they should be needing to finish that deal, but they all just seemed so done. "You've all read the packets..." He literally had nothing of value to say! I said to H at the end, "Poor little billionaires." LOL. That's interesting about the Pierce deal, I had forgotten that was contingent. Which makes this more insane! They could have been sitting back and working on that the entire time instead of plotting against each other.
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Post by joy on May 29, 2023 13:46:58 GMT -6
This “not serious people” thing is bothering me. Mattson is not a serious person - sending blood blocks to Ebba?! Mattson and Tom have fatal flaws just like Kendall. “Serious” is meaningless. It’s just another way for Logan to claim that people failed him and have them swirl in his vortex. The context of that saying is that the Roy kids were willing to massively overpay for Pierce just...because? No real business reason. Mattson may not have been serious but his deal benefitted shareholders. What real reason did the Roys give to to shareholders as to why they were the best people to guide the company? They were working on their own thing in the beginning but abandoned that to get in a bidding war. Completely emotional and nonsensical. They were set to benefit from the sale and abandoned ship because they were high on their own supply. Ultimately Shiv did them a favor. They have been so immersed in being part of this empire. They were playing the same games with each other their dad was playing. As I said, I have a very different interpretation. Kendall can be a CEO. His fatal flaw is hubris. He can absolutely be a “serious” person just as much as Mattson can stumble from his own pride. I do not think “serious person” has any meaning beyond Logan’s ever changing definition that his children can never achieve. It was just another way for him to put his kids down.
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Post by bazi on May 29, 2023 15:09:49 GMT -6
I took “not serious people” as, they’re not killers. They’re not closers. The kids are all so entitled that they get outmaneuvered consistently. The final scene where Kendall is yelling “I’m the oldest boy!” was just perfect.
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Post by claudia on May 29, 2023 15:22:42 GMT -6
The context of that saying is that the Roy kids were willing to massively overpay for Pierce just...because? No real business reason. Mattson may not have been serious but his deal benefitted shareholders. What real reason did the Roys give to to shareholders as to why they were the best people to guide the company? They were working on their own thing in the beginning but abandoned that to get in a bidding war. Completely emotional and nonsensical. They were set to benefit from the sale and abandoned ship because they were high on their own supply. Ultimately Shiv did them a favor. They have been so immersed in being part of this empire. They were playing the same games with each other their dad was playing. As I said, I have a very different interpretation. Kendall can be a CEO. His fatal flaw is hubris. He can absolutely be a “serious” person just as much as Mattson can stumble from his own pride. I do not think “serious person” has any meaning beyond Logan’s ever changing definition that his children can never achieve. It was just another way for him to put his kids down. I’ve been working my way through a rewatch to prep for the finale and I agree. I think Kendall had everything that was needed to be ceo, assuming he had truly overcome his drug troubles. In season 1, Logan seems to pull the plug on the announcement because of his own ego, and then later in episode 3 when Logan’s first words post stroke are to call Kendall an idiot, I think Kendall had really done the right thing from a business move- I think Logan lashed out because he was humiliated that Kendall had discovered that the company was not in strong shape because of the large debt Logan had let accumulate as well as the creative accounting hiding that debt. Logan primarily held onto power by being a bully- in season 1, when there was the vote to remove him, he refused to leave the room as he was supposed to, bullied Roman (his abused child) into voting his way, and basically just broke one bylaw after another to get his way. I don’t think Logan was really the brilliant businessman.
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Post by joy on May 29, 2023 15:27:20 GMT -6
I took “not serious people” as, they’re not killers. They’re not closers. The kids are all so entitled that they get outmaneuvered consistently. The final scene where Kendall is yelling “I’m the oldest boy!” was just perfect. I read this post on Reddit that I found really interesting. Kendall is an addict; he simply replaced drugs with power. His meltdown there was more about his addiction being taken anyway than anything else. I don’t totally agree with the metaphor, but I do agree that Kendall was a desperate man in that moment who said anything and everything to cling to his dream. It was sad to watch. Mostly because there is a whole different life available to him that he won’t or can’t see. I know my takes are a little different. I’m not arguing in this thread! Just talking. And, my bias will always and forever be against the piece of shit that was Logan Roy so that just drips through my perceptions. Admittedly.
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 15:58:15 GMT -6
The context of that saying is that the Roy kids were willing to massively overpay for Pierce just...because? No real business reason. Mattson may not have been serious but his deal benefitted shareholders. What real reason did the Roys give to to shareholders as to why they were the best people to guide the company? They were working on their own thing in the beginning but abandoned that to get in a bidding war. Completely emotional and nonsensical. They were set to benefit from the sale and abandoned ship because they were high on their own supply. Ultimately Shiv did them a favor. They have been so immersed in being part of this empire. They were playing the same games with each other their dad was playing. As I said, I have a very different interpretation. Kendall can be a CEO. His fatal flaw is hubris. He can absolutely be a “serious” person just as much as Mattson can stumble from his own pride. I do not think “serious person” has any meaning beyond Logan’s ever changing definition that his children can never achieve. It was just another way for him to put his kids down. I definitely agree Kendall could have been CEO. He was just as good at rallying resources as anyone. And, bonus, I do not believe he would have sent bags of blood to anyone! This clip was on Twitter and it was prescient. I just think they could not get out of their own way. They were working on a team and then started working against each other. I think Roman summed it up best at the end, "We're bullshit!" Someone else had mentioned in the pilot they said they hadn't seen each other in a long time, then they spent tons of time together. It definitely feels like at the end they would go back to not seeing each other again. That was something I found funny, that during the entire series they all traveled together, as well as Gerri, Karl, Frank, etc. That's not how things go IRL, right? I mean, like I know what it's like in that sphere. But it seems weird that the CFO and GC would be at your ex-wife's Italian wedding.
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 16:00:45 GMT -6
I took “not serious people” as, they’re not killers. They’re not closers. The kids are all so entitled that they get outmaneuvered consistently. The final scene where Kendall is yelling “I’m the oldest boy!” was just perfect. Why didn't they do anything big with that fake Indian subscribers info? Or the fact that Mattson sends blood to his employees? I feel like they had great information and didn't effectively use it.
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Post by joy on May 29, 2023 17:24:33 GMT -6
So. Jesse Armstrong is British. And this entire show is about family dysfunction within a family that is also a business. He lays out a lot feelings on American politics and business quite plainly.
But there is a very British establishment that also melds family and business and is by all accounts dysfunctional… I’m curious if any of that influenced how he wrote this family.
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Post by joy on May 29, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -6
I took “not serious people” as, they’re not killers. They’re not closers. The kids are all so entitled that they get outmaneuvered consistently. The final scene where Kendall is yelling “I’m the oldest boy!” was just perfect. Why didn't they do anything big with that fake Indian subscribers info? Or the fact that Mattson sends blood to his employees? I feel like they had great information and didn't effectively use it. Agree! Shiv had them make it public during the election so it got buried, but still? Everyone is just like “meh.” Also, what’s going on with that Pierce deal?
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 17:35:59 GMT -6
Hahaha I forgot to post this! The poster is referring to "the optics." 😆 I am going to miss the dialog! joy I had no idea Jesse Armstrong is British!
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Post by claudia on May 29, 2023 17:39:31 GMT -6
Why didn't they do anything big with that fake Indian subscribers info? Or the fact that Mattson sends blood to his employees? I feel like they had great information and didn't effectively use it. Agree! Shiv had them make it public during the election so it got buried, but still? Everyone is just like “meh.” Also, what’s going on with that Pierce deal? I think the final season was so compressed timeline wise that we are supposed to think everything is just in transition. Like, shoe wise, the election was 3 days ago? So if they dropped the info then, it hasn’t had time for too much impact.
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Post by dc2london on May 29, 2023 18:12:42 GMT -6
So. Jesse Armstrong is British. And this entire show is about family dysfunction within a family that is also a business. He lays out a lot feelings on American politics and business quite plainly. But there is a very British establishment that also melds family and business and is by all accounts dysfunctional… I’m curious if any of that influenced how he wrote this family. I have always found it quite obvious that this show was written by Brits and largely delivered by Brits bc the verbiage is so consistently UK English with a side of US vs the other way around
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Post by dc2london on May 29, 2023 18:14:09 GMT -6
Why didn't they do anything big with that fake Indian subscribers info? Or the fact that Mattson sends blood to his employees? I feel like they had great information and didn't effectively use it. Agree! Shiv had them make it public during the election so it got buried, but still? Everyone is just like “meh.” Also, what’s going on with that Pierce deal? I just assumed all that stuff is covered under NDAs? Or at that point the deal was too far along and throwing Mattsen under the bus would mess up their own stock price.
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Post by rvasc on May 29, 2023 18:35:59 GMT -6
I took “not serious people” as, they’re not killers. They’re not closers. The kids are all so entitled that they get outmaneuvered consistently. The final scene where Kendall is yelling “I’m the oldest boy!” was just perfect. Yes, same. They always think they’ll get their way just because of who they are. Of course, he is the one who emotionally stunted them.
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Post by leatherpants on May 29, 2023 19:09:39 GMT -6
“ the up dicks” has me in stitches
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Post by 4PrivetDrive on May 29, 2023 22:35:50 GMT -6
Agree! Shiv had them make it public during the election so it got buried, but still? Everyone is just like “meh.” Also, what’s going on with that Pierce deal? I think the final season was so compressed timeline wise that we are supposed to think everything is just in transition. Like, shoe wise, the election was 3 days ago? So if they dropped the info then, it hasn’t had time for too much impact. I asked my H if Logan had been dead three years already by the time they got to the cemetery plot, because it just felt so long between his death and funeral.
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 22:52:14 GMT -6
So. Jesse Armstrong is British. And this entire show is about family dysfunction within a family that is also a business. He lays out a lot feelings on American politics and business quite plainly. But there is a very British establishment that also melds family and business and is by all accounts dysfunctional… I’m curious if any of that influenced how he wrote this family. I have always found it quite obvious that this show was written by Brits and largely delivered by Brits bc the verbiage is so consistently UK English with a side of US vs the other way around Well look who has an ear for UK English...
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 22:55:08 GMT -6
While I feel like the ending was "right" I'm still hella depressed it was Tom!
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Post by beatch on May 29, 2023 22:56:49 GMT -6
I mean I thought Karl was 100% spot on with this!
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Post by bazi on May 30, 2023 5:14:31 GMT -6
While I feel like the ending was "right" I'm still hella depressed it was Tom! Having spent most of my career in corporate America…this is accurate. There are so many Toms.
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Post by claudia on May 30, 2023 6:32:10 GMT -6
The thing that bugs me most about it being Tom is that when he betrayed his wife at the end of Season 3 and then Logan died 3 episodes later, a large part of me was like "HAHA TOM.... YOU CHOSE THE WRONG HORSE AND NOW YOU'RE SCREWED." But no. He's not screwed. He's the CEO now.
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Post by joy on May 30, 2023 6:48:28 GMT -6
I dunno.. Tom is CEO with no real power. He’s Mattson’s puppet and can be fired at any moment. His ideas and work ethic didn’t get him anywhere; his sucking up, blow with the wind, yes-man mentality did. I can’t respect him in the slightest.
I’ve hated Tom and Greg for seasons, though.
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Post by beatch on May 30, 2023 9:45:18 GMT -6
I dunno.. Tom is CEO with no real power. He’s Mattson’s puppet and can be fired at any moment. His ideas and work ethic didn’t get him anywhere; his sucking up, blow with the wind, yes-man mentality did. I can’t respect him in the slightest. I’ve hated Tom and Greg for seasons, though. I mean, I wouldn't feel too secure if I was Tom. He strung Shiv along, and he shared with Tom he didn't want Shiv as CEO because he wanted to fuck her. He can't trust Mattson as far as he can throw him.
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Post by SweetPotato on May 30, 2023 13:43:57 GMT -6
I dunno.. Tom is CEO with no real power. He’s Mattson’s puppet and can be fired at any moment. His ideas and work ethic didn’t get him anywhere; his sucking up, blow with the wind, yes-man mentality did. I can’t respect him in the slightest. I’ve hated Tom and Greg for seasons, though. I mean, I wouldn't feel too secure if I was Tom. He strung Shiv along, and he shared with Tom he didn't want Shiv as CEO because he wanted to fuck her. He can't trust Mattson as far as he can throw him. I want a spin-off!
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Post by Bookshelves on May 30, 2023 17:28:59 GMT -6
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Post by Bookshelves on May 30, 2023 17:32:32 GMT -6
The baby is CLEARLY very fresh and new, and of course, there is a “you would let your baby watch that show?!” 😂 I can only hope it is TIC.
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Post by wedding on Jun 24, 2023 19:48:08 GMT -6
I’m so late but we just finished last night. I was so dissatisfied with this season. There were so many great story lines to explore but it was mostly the three bickering that every episode. I did like the ending since they ultimately screwed themselves with their selfishness, but it would have been great if that happened mid season and we saw what happened next.
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