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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 9:55:52 GMT -6
Harry does a fair amount of defending Will and Kate in the book too. He points out that they were unfairly called lazy when Charles controlled their engagements and they did exactly as many as he wanted them to. He also says Kate in particular got scolded for overshadowing Charles and Camilla. The post army pre Meghan part of the book is my favorite so far. Just normal details of his life—like buying avocados at the supermarket (shocker—Meghan is not the only person in Britain to ever consume avocado!) Amazing we aren’t hearing about this in the media
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 11, 2023 10:03:33 GMT -6
Harry does a fair amount of defending Will and Kate in the book too. He points out that they were unfairly called lazy when Charles controlled their engagements and they did exactly as many as he wanted them to. He also says Kate in particular got scolded for overshadowing Charles and Camilla. The post army pre Meghan part of the book is my favorite so far. Just normal details of his life—like buying avocados at the supermarket (shocker—Meghan is not the only person in Britain to ever consume avocado!) Amazing we aren’t hearing about this in the media
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Post by claudia on Jan 11, 2023 10:07:06 GMT -6
Harry does a fair amount of defending Will and Kate in the book too. He points out that they were unfairly called lazy when Charles controlled their engagements and they did exactly as many as he wanted them to. He also says Kate in particular got scolded for overshadowing Charles and Camilla. The post army pre Meghan part of the book is my favorite so far. Just normal details of his life—like buying avocados at the supermarket (shocker—Meghan is not the only person in Britain to ever consume avocado!) He also makes it clear that he thinks Camilla or Charles leaked the wedding fight story because he said when he asked them who they told, they said they’d only mentioned it to Charles and Camilla. And he was like “why would you tell them knowing what they do” type of thing. What wasn’t clear to me is whether he thinks they told Charles and Camilla in hopes they would leak it or whether they told them just to talk and it came out.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 10:38:16 GMT -6
Harry does a fair amount of defending Will and Kate in the book too. He points out that they were unfairly called lazy when Charles controlled their engagements and they did exactly as many as he wanted them to. He also says Kate in particular got scolded for overshadowing Charles and Camilla. The post army pre Meghan part of the book is my favorite so far. Just normal details of his life—like buying avocados at the supermarket (shocker—Meghan is not the only person in Britain to ever consume avocado!) He also makes it clear that he thinks Camilla or Charles leaked the wedding fight story because he said when he asked them who they told, they said they’d only mentioned it to Charles and Camilla. And he was like “why would you tell them knowing what they do” type of thing. What wasn’t clear to me is whether he thinks they told Charles and Camilla in hopes they would leak it or whether they told them just to talk and it came out. Charles doesn’t seem to me to be the come vent to me type of father but I could be wrong
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Post by beesquared on Jan 11, 2023 10:39:18 GMT -6
I see why he did include it and it does make sense. I can't imagine that experience to begin with. But I also see why people are upset about it and see it as problematic. It's a rock and a hard place. For sure. I can see people thinking this isn’t how I would have done this. I respect his right to make a choice and someone else’s right to make a different choice. I think the black and white (no pun intended) thinking about what is right or wrong in this case doesn’t allow for differences in humans. *To me* this is different than hiding behind “opinions” to sprout racist or misogynistic speech. There are some clear right and wrongs there.
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Post by beesquared on Jan 11, 2023 10:45:07 GMT -6
angelashly, under normal circumstances I don’t think he would go to Charles to vent. However, I think they were in way more constant contact leading up to the wedding and trying to problem solve things like walking Meghan down the aisle. I imagine that the whole behind the scenes fiasco lent for some more casual conversations and venting in general. As well as asking for advice and instructions about what to do protocol wise about things.
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Post by claudia on Jan 11, 2023 10:50:38 GMT -6
He also makes it clear that he thinks Camilla or Charles leaked the wedding fight story because he said when he asked them who they told, they said they’d only mentioned it to Charles and Camilla. And he was like “why would you tell them knowing what they do” type of thing. What wasn’t clear to me is whether he thinks they told Charles and Camilla in hopes they would leak it or whether they told them just to talk and it came out. Charles doesn’t seem to me to be the come vent to me type of father but I could be wrong It was apparently during the Australian tour. Maybe gossiping about Eugenie's wedding and it just turned into general venting. Or W&K made it up to cover their leaking. haha
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 11:16:21 GMT -6
He also makes it clear that he thinks Camilla or Charles leaked the wedding fight story because he said when he asked them who they told, they said they’d only mentioned it to Charles and Camilla. And he was like “why would you tell them knowing what they do” type of thing. What wasn’t clear to me is whether he thinks they told Charles and Camilla in hopes they would leak it or whether they told them just to talk and it came out. Charles doesn’t seem to me to be the come vent to me type of father but I could be wrong No W&K vented to C&C.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 11:20:43 GMT -6
Charles doesn’t seem to me to be the come vent to me type of father but I could be wrong No W&K vented to C&C. Right but Charles just doesn’t seem like that type of parent Where my mom would have snacks and wine ready
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 11:26:47 GMT -6
Did we talk about how Will and Kate were big suits fans 😂😂😂
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 11:27:33 GMT -6
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Post by willow on Jan 11, 2023 11:41:21 GMT -6
I am just now at the part where he talks about how Will had a fit over the fact that Harry also wanted to do work in Africa. That Will said Africa was HIS thing and that elephants and rhinos were HIS.
Just....wow. I mean, entitlement comes with the territory, obviously, but....woof. A royal white dude proclaiming stake over a continent that can fit all of the US, China, India and most of Europe combined....yeah. Ok. What a twat.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 11:53:56 GMT -6
I am just now at the part where he talks about how Will had a fit over the fact that Harry also wanted to do work in Africa. That Will said Africa was HIS thing and that elephants and rhinos were HIS. Just....wow. I mean, entitlement comes with the territory, obviously, but....woof. A royal white dude proclaiming stake over a continent that can fit all of the US, China, India and most of Europe combined....yeah. Ok. What a twat. Oh Will said Africa was his thing? Everything I’ve read about that has been saying Harry and how he still talks about countries and people as trophies
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Post by sifl on Jan 11, 2023 11:54:25 GMT -6
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 11:56:33 GMT -6
Right but Charles just doesn’t seem like that type of parent Where my mom would have snacks and wine ready Really what I think this is all showing is that Camilla goes scorched earth to try to make herself look good and Charles doesn't care who she hurts because he's been obsessed with making her happy for most of his life.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 12:00:02 GMT -6
Right but Charles just doesn’t seem like that type of parent Where my mom would have snacks and wine ready Really what I think this is all showing is that Camilla goes scorched earth to try to make herself look good and Charles doesn't care who she hurts because he's been obsessed with making her happy for most of his life. Yep! And his kids have always taken the brunt with most of it on Harry since he is the spare. I wonder how her kids are feeling now
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Post by willow on Jan 11, 2023 12:02:26 GMT -6
I am just now at the part where he talks about how Will had a fit over the fact that Harry also wanted to do work in Africa. That Will said Africa was HIS thing and that elephants and rhinos were HIS. Just....wow. I mean, entitlement comes with the territory, obviously, but....woof. A royal white dude proclaiming stake over a continent that can fit all of the US, China, India and most of Europe combined....yeah. Ok. What a twat. Oh Will said Africa was his thing? Everything I’ve read about that has been saying Harry and how he still talks about countries and people as trophies Yes Will got pissed because after Harry left the army, he wanted to focus his royal work on Africa and helping people there and that set Will off I guess. Because Will technically has a say in what work Harry does.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 12:02:28 GMT -6
Really what I think this is all showing is that Camilla goes scorched earth to try to make herself look good and Charles doesn't care who she hurts because he's been obsessed with making her happy for most of his life. Yep! And his kids have always taken the brunt with most of it on Harry since he is the spare. I wonder how her kids are feeling now Probably fine since Charles set up trust funds for them years ago but told Harry he couldn't afford to support Meghan.
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Post by imapenguin on Jan 11, 2023 12:07:18 GMT -6
Even with the lipgloss thing, Harry admitted it was a culture clash that made Kate uncomfortable, but didn’t call her a bitch or anything.
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Post by imapenguin on Jan 11, 2023 12:16:51 GMT -6
Tiara drama! This is what we’re here for!
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 12:18:55 GMT -6
Even with the lipgloss thing, Harry admitted it was a culture clash that made Kate uncomfortable, but didn’t call her a bitch or anything. I truly think Harry holds Kate in very high esteem. I’ve never seen him talk bad about her and even during Oprah when Meghan was talking about the wedding crying situation he kind of watched. It didn’t matter because Meghan quickly cleared up that Kate apologized and they moved on. I think he really loves Kate like a sister and maybe that hurt him even more than anything Will did because he knows Will is an ass
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Post by sweetpea on Jan 11, 2023 12:23:50 GMT -6
Even with the lipgloss thing, Harry admitted it was a culture clash that made Kate uncomfortable, but didn’t call her a bitch or anything. It is not a cultural clash. I am not asking to borrow lip gloss from anyone, especially not my SIL that (allegedly) has been cold to me.
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Post by claudia on Jan 11, 2023 12:23:57 GMT -6
I am just now at the part where he talks about how Will had a fit over the fact that Harry also wanted to do work in Africa. That Will said Africa was HIS thing and that elephants and rhinos were HIS. Just....wow. I mean, entitlement comes with the territory, obviously, but....woof. A royal white dude proclaiming stake over a continent that can fit all of the US, China, India and most of Europe combined....yeah. Ok. What a twat. Listen, Will feels entitled to tell people in Africa how many children they should have, so clearly, he has a say on everything in the continent.
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Post by loony on Jan 11, 2023 12:36:39 GMT -6
My hold came up last night. I'm 15% in on the audio so far this morning. I'm really enjoying his narration.
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Post by pitchslap on Jan 11, 2023 12:44:20 GMT -6
Even with the lipgloss thing, Harry admitted it was a culture clash that made Kate uncomfortable, but didn’t call her a bitch or anything. Can you explain the lipgloss thing to me, please?
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Post by byjove on Jan 11, 2023 12:55:47 GMT -6
Can you explain the lipgloss thing to me, please? M forgot lip gloss before some joint event and asked K to use hers. K gave it to her, but I guess grimaced? Seemed less than super thrilled about it? H says this is a cultural issue because Americans share lip products? I actually think it’s likely that someone who does a lot of work with makeup artists for TV share lip products. Because, I, an American, do not share lip products. Yeah, I'd be like maybe I can dab a little on your clean finger?
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 11, 2023 13:01:41 GMT -6
M forgot lip gloss before some joint event and asked K to use hers. K gave it to her, but I guess grimaced? Seemed less than super thrilled about it? H says this is a cultural issue because Americans share lip products? I actually think it’s likely that someone who does a lot of work with makeup artists for TV share lip products. Because, I, an American, do not share lip products. Yeah, I'd be like maybe I can dab a little on your clean finger?Which is what Meghan did - she didn't take it and swipe it all over her lips. And this was pre-covid, so while I'm not sharing lipgloss on the regular, I also think this is a nothingburger and from what I understand from the book, it was NBD for Harry or Meghan. It was, surprise, surprise, the media that blew this up into ridiculous proportions. So much so that I'll likely insert "lipgloss" for "pasta" the next time I say, "it's not about the pasta"
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Post by byjove on Jan 11, 2023 13:03:07 GMT -6
Yeah, I'd be like maybe I can dab a little on your clean finger? Which is what Meghan did - she didn't take it and swipe it all over her lips. And this was pre-covid, so while I'm not sharing lipgloss on the regular, I also think this is a nothingburger and from what I understand from the book, it was NBD for Harry or Meghan. It was, surprise, surprise, the media that blew this up into ridiculous proportions. So much so that I'll likely insert "lipgloss" for "pasta" the next time I say, "it's not about the pasta" Got it. And agreed.
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Post by icedcoffee on Jan 11, 2023 13:05:59 GMT -6
If my husband's brother's new gf asked me for my lip gloss I'd probably give it then never want it back. I think its gross. I would share with my BFF MAYBE and that's pushing it. I don't think that's an American thing 🤣
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 13:20:42 GMT -6
Can you explain the lipgloss thing to me, please? M forgot lip gloss before some joint event and asked K to use hers. K gave it to her, but I guess grimaced? Seemed less than super thrilled about it? H says this is a cultural issue because Americans share lip products? I actually think it’s likely that someone who does a lot of work with makeup artists for TV share lip products. Because, I, an American, do not share lip products. I think of it more “cultural” in the celebrity vs “regular”. I guarantee she shared lip gloss at some point on the red carpet. I remember sharing it with friends when I was prime bar/night club age. I wouldn’t now and stopped way before Covid so it’s still a no from me. But I do think instead of giving it to her and grimacing I would have straight up said sorry I have a thing with sharing lip stuff
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