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Post by starbuck on Aug 3, 2021 11:29:29 GMT -6
My anti vax CV+ CWer stopped posting stories on iG about natural juice remedies. Turns out her mom is also positive and in the ICU now. But she’ll be ok bc they have faith. Like I get being religious. But at what point do people acknowledge the DOCTORS and NURSES and RTs that are risking their lives to care for your dumbass? And maybe God’s way of saving you was getting a vaccine out that you refused!!! This is what I don't get about these people. As a Christian I don't believe you just do nothing and everything will be fine. God provides through the doctors and nurses and scientists and vaccines. Yes! Thank you! I am so, so very tired of white, far-right Evangelicals quoting from the book of MAGA and passing it off as Biblical.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 3, 2021 11:32:39 GMT -6
Womp womp. But the state anti-mask mandates are legal?
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Post by piratecat on Aug 3, 2021 11:37:31 GMT -6
If states can make mask mandates by local governments and school districts illegal, can the federal government override and mandate masks? I don't know anything, but the republicans are always crying about "big government" but only when it suits them. I really really wish they could. Our governor is a lunatic. Ugh, I'm sorry, it's just nuts. It's one thing to not do anything to improve the situation, but it's entirely another to actively sabotage the situation and make it worse. It's truly evil.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 3, 2021 11:38:20 GMT -6
I hope one day they realize that they were actively responsible for people and children dying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 11:49:37 GMT -6
I hope one day they realize that they were actively responsible for people and children dying. not to sound depressing but the DOJ doing nothing with the whole NY nursing home coverup makes me think they really don’t care.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 3, 2021 11:53:55 GMT -6
I hope one day they realize that they were actively responsible for people and children dying. not to sound depressing but the DOJ doing nothing with the whole NY nursing home coverup makes me think they really don’t care. Yea, I have no hope that these people have any conscience to speak of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 12:00:32 GMT -6
not to sound depressing but the DOJ doing nothing with the whole NY nursing home coverup makes me think they really don’t care. Yea, I have no hope that these people have any conscience to speak of. Yeah, unfortunately I think people with beliefs like this do so many mental gymnastics to free themselves of any guilt or responsibility, they’ll never waver. I mean I guess it’s possible, but for the majority, no. It’s a powerful self-preservation method our brain often does without us even noticing.
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Post by goldenbird on Aug 3, 2021 12:09:00 GMT -6
It just feels no win for parents and kids. 😭
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Post by jaygee on Aug 3, 2021 12:12:26 GMT -6
So interestingly enough - sports talk radio has been taking on this topic a lot lately because of the NFL stance and continued outbreaks in in-season sports like MLB.
This morning on my local show which leans liberal they were again talking about how frustrating it is that there are so many vaccine hold outs in pro sports. And the texts they get are just basically “you can’t tell me what to do”. I just think that’s what it comes down to in most cases. People being stubborn. And since I have no idea what to do when my child acts like that - I have no idea how we handle that in the adult population. It sucks!
And these people screaming “don’t tell me what to do” are now leading all the compliant folks to have to be told to put their masks back on. Make it make sense!!!
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Post by cnf on Aug 3, 2021 12:29:39 GMT -6
And if he is think of all the mutating that will happen in one hundred million infected people. Ugh.
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Post by athn64 on Aug 3, 2021 12:37:27 GMT -6
I really need us to shift the onus from vaccinated folks to the anti-vax ninnies. Like when kids can get the vaccine it needs to be "vaccinate or mask at school" - those are your choices. Exemptions only for those who medically can't. Rather than how it is now where we force parents who do the right thing and take it seriously to shoulder all of the burden. I'm just so fucking sick of 50% of the population living on another planet taking absolutely no responsibility for anything and making us bow to their whims. Per the guy that showed up at our school board meeting "mask or vaccine" will lead to an increase in bullying. The bullshit is strong
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Post by cnf on Aug 3, 2021 12:37:52 GMT -6
NYC is taking the France approach. Vaccination required for indoor dining, theaters and gyms I can’t find it, but did they say anything about kids who can’t be vaccinated yet? We have a trip to NYC planned in December - already bought our Rockettes tickets. My girls are 6yo and 5yo twins so hopefully they will be vaxed by then but what happens if they still can’t be? We went to a local minor league game back in the spring and had to show proof of vaccination to get in. Kids with fully vaxxed parents who weren't eligible for the vaccine themselves yet we're allowed the same privileges as their vaccinated parents.
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Post by starbuck on Aug 3, 2021 12:42:28 GMT -6
I really need us to shift the onus from vaccinated folks to the anti-vax ninnies. Like when kids can get the vaccine it needs to be "vaccinate or mask at school" - those are your choices. Exemptions only for those who medically can't. Rather than how it is now where we force parents who do the right thing and take it seriously to shoulder all of the burden. I'm just so fucking sick of 50% of the population living on another planet taking absolutely no responsibility for anything and making us bow to their whims. Per the guy that showed up at our school board meeting "mask or vaccine" will lead to an increase in bullying. The bullshit is strong I'm very sure the MAGA crowd totes hates bullying.
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Post by cnf on Aug 3, 2021 12:43:10 GMT -6
Per the guy that showed up at our school board meeting "mask or vaccine" will lead to an increase in bullying. The bullshit is strong I'm very sure the MAGA crowd totes hates bullying. Be Best!
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Post by Tlex on Aug 3, 2021 12:46:00 GMT -6
So interestingly enough - sports talk radio has been taking on this topic a lot lately because of the NFL stance and continued outbreaks in in-season sports like MLB. This morning on my local show which leans liberal they were again talking about how frustrating it is that there are so many vaccine hold outs in pro sports. And the texts they get are just basically “you can’t tell me what to do”. I just think that’s what it comes down to in most cases. People being stubborn. And since I have no idea what to do when my child acts like that - I have no idea how we handle that in the adult population. It sucks! And these people screaming “don’t tell me what to do” are now leading all the compliant folks to have to be told to put their masks back on. Make it make sense!!! It’s a hard thing to inspire someone in the “you can’t tell me what to do” mindset - a very hard thing, and even with all the best tools in ones toolbox it just doesn’t always work. But to appeal to the masses? I don’t even know. I feel like mass propaganda is the only way, and no level of govt seems willing to step up to that task, let alone coordinate with the other players necessary for reach.
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Post by jaygee on Aug 3, 2021 12:49:43 GMT -6
They started requiring vaccinations in many bars and restaurants in SF and it’s a cluster. The people who work those jobs do not deserve or get paid enough to deal with the harassment. Well really no one deserves that. It just feels like a bandaid.
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Post by clucky on Aug 3, 2021 12:54:55 GMT -6
My anti vax CV+ CWer stopped posting stories on iG about natural juice remedies. Turns out her mom is also positive and in the ICU now. But she’ll be ok bc they have faith. Like I get being religious. But at what point do people acknowledge the DOCTORS and NURSES and RTs that are risking their lives to care for your dumbass? And maybe God’s way of saving you was getting a vaccine out that you refused!!! I could rant about "God will provide" as an excuse to not use medicine for hours. Starting with the knowledge to use those things provided to save ourselves. Like fuck, He did provide. ::same page GIF::
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Post by clucky on Aug 3, 2021 13:00:14 GMT -6
It just feels no win for parents and kids. 😭 But seems fly only for those paying attention to science and common good (which doesn’t seem like the right phrase here). For those playing roulette and expecting the have everyone bow to their shrill demands. I’m so tired of the latter.
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Post by jaygee on Aug 3, 2021 13:06:52 GMT -6
This is good data nerd thread. Bad news for suppressing the delta variant but interesting math.
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Post by elle on Aug 3, 2021 13:21:11 GMT -6
So we're renting a house currently and the owners wanted to refinance so they sent an appraiser this morning. I wasn't super happy about it given Delta, but she showed her vax card and we gave her an extra mask to wear so she was double masked. She probably thought we were a bit much, but I really didn't want someone in my house right now.
The four year old however burst into tears when she left. Clearly starved for human interaction and it just broke my heart. 💔
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Post by enchanted on Aug 3, 2021 13:27:09 GMT -6
Aw man, elle. Poor kid. But also, I'm glad she did the right things.
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Post by greykitty on Aug 3, 2021 14:03:42 GMT -6
jaygee, that's an interesting thread. And if we do see vaccination rates start to go up dramatically, I can see the 'maybe not a huge need for a booster'. However.....if I were the president, I do both things (and I think we can). Work on increased vaccination rate in the recalcitrant populations, wherever those groups may be for whatever reasons that seem good to them. But, reassure those in the at risk populations who 'did everything right' that boosters are there for the taking as well in a timely fashion.
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Post by jaygee on Aug 3, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -6
jaygee, that's an interesting thread. And if we do see vaccination rates start to go up dramatically, I can see the 'maybe not a huge need for a booster'. However.....if I were the president, I do both things (and I think we can). Work on increased vaccination rate in the recalcitrant populations, wherever those groups may be for whatever reasons that seem good to them. But, reassure those in the at risk populations who 'did everything right' that boosters are there for the taking as well in a timely fashion. Oh totally. I think we should do both. And I think even if the data suggests that boosters won’t move the needle much on overall R rate - I feel like the highest risk of the population who did their part early on should be able to get some personal piece of mind if vaccine supply is available to do so. Because they kind of deserve it. The one thing it opened up for me is should we be donating that booster supply before giving out boosters here. And based on that low R reduction number - I can see an good argument for that.
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Post by goldenbird on Aug 3, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -6
And if he is think of all the mutating that will happen in one hundred million infected people. Ugh. That's why I'm double upset that now under 12 vaccine approval has been pushed back again. I'm worried we're going to finally be able to get the youngest kids vaxxed there will be a variant that will be totally vaccine resistant
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Post by blurnette989 on Aug 3, 2021 14:34:46 GMT -6
jaygee, that's an interesting thread. And if we do see vaccination rates start to go up dramatically, I can see the 'maybe not a huge need for a booster'. However.....if I were the president, I do both things (and I think we can). Work on increased vaccination rate in the recalcitrant populations, wherever those groups may be for whatever reasons that seem good to them. But, reassure those in the at risk populations who 'did everything right' that boosters are there for the taking as well in a timely fashion. Oh totally. I think we should do both. And I think even if the data suggests that boosters won’t move the needle much on overall R rate - I feel like the highest risk of the population who did their part early on should be able to get some personal piece of mind if vaccine supply is available to do so. Because they kind of deserve it. The one thing it opened up for me is should we be donating that booster supply before giving out boosters here. And based on that low R reduction number - I can see an good argument for that. especially when you consider that massively unvaccinated populations are prime spots for new variants. So spread the vax to help prevent more variants.
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Post by Minerva on Aug 3, 2021 14:35:32 GMT -6
This is good data nerd thread. Bad news for suppressing the delta variant but interesting math. I love epidemiology math! It was my favorite thing to teach in Intro Bio. Her model was very simplified, but really useful for understanding which interventions should be prioritized. Focusing on getting vaccines to underserved and vaccine hesitant populations is really key to protecting us all. Working with trusted authorities to educate hard-to-reach groups, monetary support for both individuals and businesses that lose work hours to vaccine side effects, and aggressively pursuing full authorization to boost trust will go a long way. Also, vaccinating 5-11 y.o. kids will help a lot to reduce r values. I really hope the September Pfizer EUA rumors are true.
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Post by jaygee on Aug 3, 2021 14:45:15 GMT -6
This is good data nerd thread. Bad news for suppressing the delta variant but interesting math. I love epidemiology math! It was my favorite thing to teach in Intro Bio. Her model was very simplified, but really useful for understanding which interventions should be prioritized. Focusing on getting vaccines to underserved and vaccine hesitant populations is really key to protecting us all. Working with trusted authorities to educate hard-to-reach groups, monetary support for both individuals and businesses that lose work hours to vaccine side effects, and aggressively pursuing full authorization to boost trust will go a long way. Also, vaccinating 5-11 y.o. kids will help a lot to reduce r values. I really hope the September Pfizer EUA rumors are true. Thank you for adding that helpful context. And yes, I hope that’s true.
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Post by orangebird2020 on Aug 3, 2021 14:46:26 GMT -6
This week and next week will be the first time since April 2021 that I have to work with my 6 year old home too. Two months of school, followed by two months of Summer camp felt great for both of us after that unexpected year together. Schools are requiring masks for all k-12.....but is that enough with this variant to keep kids safe? Deja Vu to Summer 2020 yay!
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Post by oreobitsy on Aug 3, 2021 14:50:42 GMT -6
I think it's really important for kids to be in school and CDC has told schools how they can do that safely. The problems is that so many schools can't or won't follow those guidelines. Or stupid states like mine and a handful of others have passed legislation to ban mask mandates.
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Post by dc2london on Aug 3, 2021 14:52:19 GMT -6
President Biden just said the CDC is making an announcement in the next hour or two but I missed the question.
He's panning DeSantis and other governor's for banning mask requirements
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