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Post by Bookshelves on Jul 19, 2021 20:38:35 GMT -6
I am honestly confused about the masking discussion (not just here but everywhere, especially since Delta became a thing). My understanding since last year has been that the mask doesn’t afford the wearer much, if any, protection; it just protects the *other* people around them. So when I read about people going places but making sure they and their children are masked, I don’t really understand how that is supposed to help. I’m not trying to be obtuse or saying any of this in a judgmental way, just feeling like I missed a step in the COVID news and trying to catch up.
It’s halfway a moot point here because the idiots fought masks so hard in the first place, but halfway not, because my kid is supposed to go back to school in 3 weeks and everyone in our area is all, yaaaay no masks this year! 🤦♀️ (They had a successful, in-person *masked* year last year, but this year, no one from the local to the state level wants to expend any more political capital on another mask mandate.)
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2021 20:40:54 GMT -6
Let me say this. They know what dose they are going to give the next age group already.
I (who run nothing) don't agree that an 11 year old should receive the same dose as a 2 year old. So if a parent wanted to lie and get their big ass 11 year old the 12 year old dose. I feel it's not my business and more power to them.
The issue and delay is that they are giving the next group a much lower dose so they want more time cause they don't really know how effective it will be over time.
From what I've read.
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Post by STP on Jul 19, 2021 21:02:48 GMT -6
I am honestly confused about the masking discussion (not just here but everywhere, especially since Delta became a thing). My understanding since last year has been that the mask doesn’t afford the wearer much, if any, protection; it just protects the *other* people around them. So when I read about people going places but making sure they and their children are masked, I don’t really understand how that is supposed to help. I’m not trying to be obtuse or saying any of this in a judgmental way, just feeling like I missed a step in the COVID news and trying to catch up. It’s halfway a moot point here because the idiots fought masks so hard in the first place, but halfway not, because my kid is supposed to go back to school in 3 weeks and everyone in our area is all, yaaaay no masks this year! 🤦♀️ (They had a successful, in-person *masked* year last year, but this year, no one from the local to the state level wants to expend any more political capital on another mask mandate.) Kids aren’t vaccinated so it helps curb spread. It’s not just about personal protection, but social responsibility to others. So that’s how it helps. We also don’t know how effective the vaccine will be long term or against variants.
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Post by addymac on Jul 19, 2021 21:24:48 GMT -6
I am honestly confused about the masking discussion (not just here but everywhere, especially since Delta became a thing). My understanding since last year has been that the mask doesn’t afford the wearer much, if any, protection; it just protects the *other* people around them. So when I read about people going places but making sure they and their children are masked, I don’t really understand how that is supposed to help. I’m not trying to be obtuse or saying any of this in a judgmental way, just feeling like I missed a step in the COVID news and trying to catch up. It’s halfway a moot point here because the idiots fought masks so hard in the first place, but halfway not, because my kid is supposed to go back to school in 3 weeks and everyone in our area is all, yaaaay no masks this year! 🤦♀️ (They had a successful, in-person *masked* year last year, but this year, no one from the local to the state level wants to expend any more political capital on another mask mandate.) Because they do help protect you? www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fmore%2Fmasking-science-sars-cov2.html“ Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), …. Masks also help reduce inhalation of these droplets by the wearer (“filtration for wearer protection”). The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects…” “ Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns….. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron.” I could continue to copy and paste studies that show ~70% reduced transmission, or just read the article. But also- it’s a very simple thing to do to help protect either yourself or someone else, if you’re asymptomatic or presymptomatic. So why wouldn’t you wear it?
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2021 21:34:38 GMT -6
I have never had the flu in my life. 🤷♀️ I get my yearly flu shot which helps. But nah, I don’t think it’s inevitable. With all due respect, I'm sure you have had the flu, it's just not something we test for regularly and you probably don't go to the doctor for cold-like symptoms (pre-COVID, anyway). Which - your flu symptoms are probably like those of a mild cold because you get the flu shot. the flu is more than cold symptoms and I think she would know if she had the flu or not. I know for me, I haven't had the flu since the 1990s.
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Jul 19, 2021 21:39:47 GMT -6
I was thinking that since I had the vaccine I would show positive for antibodies anyway and therefore wouldn't know for sure if I also had Covid. I'll have to look into this more though. If I can get a test to know for sure, I'd love that. I’m fairly certain I heard there are tests to see if the antibodies are from the vaccine or actual CV. But how to get one, idk. Since the vaccine isnt the live or dead virus, I think they can tell the difference. Could be worth investigating. I’m really late, so this could be addressed in the next 3 pages, but if you donate Red Cross they’ve been checking antibodies since last May, and it distinguishes between vaccine and in the wild. My results now show positive since I got covid, but I vaccine positivity says confirmed, or something else. ETA: lol me.
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tookie
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Post by tookie on Jul 19, 2021 21:40:45 GMT -6
Luckily I never stopped being worried 🤸🏽♀️ Yay anxiety
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 21:42:38 GMT -6
With all due respect, I'm sure you have had the flu, it's just not something we test for regularly and you probably don't go to the doctor for cold-like symptoms (pre-COVID, anyway). Which - your flu symptoms are probably like those of a mild cold because you get the flu shot. the flu is more than cold symptoms and I think she would know if she had the flu or not. I know for me, I haven't had the flu since the 1990s. I mean, it's a cold with fever, chills, and body aches. The differences are subtle and vaccines diminish symptoms even in the strains not included in the vaccine.
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Post by lolacachia on Jul 19, 2021 21:43:12 GMT -6
At the point everyone else seemed to stop worrying I was supporting my best friend of 30 years through the death of her brother (covid). So I never got a pause. And now with the delta variant and my immune compromised mother, my brain hurts. Everyone around me seems to have said fuck it all.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 19, 2021 21:50:23 GMT -6
the flu is more than cold symptoms and I think she would know if she had the flu or not. I know for me, I haven't had the flu since the 1990s. I mean, it's a cold with fever, chills, and body aches. The differences are subtle and vaccines diminish symptoms even in the strains not included in the vaccine. A cold is gradual with sneezing, a stuffy nose, and sore throat. None of those are the case with the flu. Flu is sudden with headache, chest discomfort, fever, fatigue, and weakness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 21:56:57 GMT -6
I mean, it's a cold with fever, chills, and body aches. The differences are subtle and vaccines diminish symptoms even in the strains not included in the vaccine. A cold is gradual with sneezing, a stuffy nose, and sore throat. None of those are the case with the flu. Flu is sudden with headache, chest discomfort, fever, fatigue, and weakness. Yes to the gradual but all of the symptoms you listed for cold are also flu symptoms as well. www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htmBoth times I've had suspected influenza I have not been tested because it was impractical and wouldn't have changed the course of the sickness so maybe I've had flu, maybe I haven't. I never had a headache that I remember other than a sinus headache that I also get with colds so that is interesting. I'm just going to say I really appreciate arguing these subtleties though as opposed to arguing with my husband who said the flu shot gave him flu because he had diarrhea right after 🤦♀️🤦♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 21:59:47 GMT -6
Also in general if you are a person who thinks you had COVID before COVID was endemic where you live, I think 80% of you were just experiencing influenza for the first time. Just a side note theory.
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Post by Tlex on Jul 19, 2021 22:07:59 GMT -6
I am honestly confused about the masking discussion (not just here but everywhere, especially since Delta became a thing). My understanding since last year has been that the mask doesn’t afford the wearer much, if any, protection; it just protects the *other* people around them. So when I read about people going places but making sure they and their children are masked, I don’t really understand how that is supposed to help. I’m not trying to be obtuse or saying any of this in a judgmental way, just feeling like I missed a step in the COVID news and trying to catch up. It’s halfway a moot point here because the idiots fought masks so hard in the first place, but halfway not, because my kid is supposed to go back to school in 3 weeks and everyone in our area is all, yaaaay no masks this year! 🤦♀️ (They had a successful, in-person *masked* year last year, but this year, no one from the local to the state level wants to expend any more political capital on another mask mandate.) I am not sure it’s definitive but there have been studies to suggest wearing a mask does offer some protection to the wearer - people who mask seem to experience smaller “viral load” when they do get covid, and have milder illness thanks to that. This is my reasoning for wanting the kids to keep wearing them. For me as a vaccinated adult I’m unlikely to get covid but it’s not impossible and it’s been shown that vaccinated adults who do get it can still be spreaders, even if they are asymptomatic. I look at it as trying to to do my part and not be an accidental variant factory/variant spreader.
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Post by STP on Jul 19, 2021 22:10:24 GMT -6
Idk
The time I had the flu - tested positive and all - it was unlike anything I’d ever had before. And I’d had my flu shot, as I always do.
It feels pretty different than a cold. It sucks.
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Post by Tlex on Jul 19, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -6
Idk The time I had the flu - tested positive and all - it was unlike anything I’d ever had before. And I’d had my flu shot, as I always do. It feels pretty different than a cold. It sucks. It really depends on the viral strain you get and also how robust your immune system is at the time. You might have a better response to one strain than I would because your body recognizes it as similar to another virus you’ve fought off before, another strain could knock you on your ass and I’d just get mild symptoms. I’ve been hit hard by the flu twice and other times skated by while kids breathed it straight into my face.
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Post by addymac on Jul 19, 2021 22:26:44 GMT -6
Guys. Up to 50% of flu cases are asymptomatic. Google it, I need to go to bed so I won’t but since learning that I am equal parts aghast and equal parts convinced the flu shot is amazing.
I had the flu once with terrible symptoms. I was 19. Dh had it in 2017 despite the flu shot and he was in the second worse shape I’ve ever seen him (#1 being when his appendix burst.) I’m sure we’ve probably had mild versions of it other times.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2021 22:28:27 GMT -6
I am honestly confused about the masking discussion (not just here but everywhere, especially since Delta became a thing). My understanding since last year has been that the mask doesn’t afford the wearer much, if any, protection; it just protects the *other* people around them. So when I read about people going places but making sure they and their children are masked, I don’t really understand how that is supposed to help. I’m not trying to be obtuse or saying any of this in a judgmental way, just feeling like I missed a step in the COVID news and trying to catch up. It’s halfway a moot point here because the idiots fought masks so hard in the first place, but halfway not, because my kid is supposed to go back to school in 3 weeks and everyone in our area is all, yaaaay no masks this year! 🤦♀️ (They had a successful, in-person *masked* year last year, but this year, no one from the local to the state level wants to expend any more political capital on another mask mandate.) covid comes out of an infected person's mouth or nose when they cough, sneeze, sing, breath, speak. Those droplets can then land on surfaces then you touch them and touch uou mouth, nose or eyes. Or if you have your mouth and or nose not covered it's like not shutting your door. The particles didn't even have to land on a surface cause you're there just wide open and shit. That's how it was explained to me.
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Post by newspapers on Jul 19, 2021 22:29:14 GMT -6
Also in general if you are a person who thinks you had COVID before COVID was endemic where you live, I think 80% of you were just experiencing influenza for the first time. Just a side note theory. I got the flu for the first time in years two months before Covid hit the states. I felt like I had been hit by a truck. It was bad. And I get the flu shot every year, so I don't want to imagine what it might have been like without!
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2021 22:31:07 GMT -6
the flu is more than cold symptoms and I think she would know if she had the flu or not. I know for me, I haven't had the flu since the 1990s. I mean, it's a cold with fever, chills, and body aches. The differences are subtle and vaccines diminish symptoms even in the strains not included in the vaccine. thats not subtle to me. I don't just randomly get fevers abs neither does anyone in my house. I don't randomly get body aches or chills. So it's vastly different from a common cold.
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Post by miawallace on Jul 19, 2021 22:38:59 GMT -6
Strictly speaking of symptomatic flu, I’ve had that shit once and it kicked my ass. I was out two weeks. When I had the cold I have never felt that way. Even the more severe colds I’ve had were mild compared to that. It’s why I can’t even imagine getting Covid. The way they were describing “mild” cases I was like nah dawg.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 22:40:03 GMT -6
I mean, it's a cold with fever, chills, and body aches. The differences are subtle and vaccines diminish symptoms even in the strains not included in the vaccine. thats not subtle to me. I don't just randomly get fevers abs neither does anyone in my house. I don't randomly get body aches or chills. So it's vastly different from a common cold. No random fevers?! Do y'all do daycare? Tell me your secrets please, we're back in daycare and had a solid month of someone having a fever after we started back. It's exhausting. I thought I remembered you having flu-like symptoms back when COVID hit but I may very well be mistaken.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 19, 2021 23:21:34 GMT -6
thats not subtle to me. I don't just randomly get fevers abs neither does anyone in my house. I don't randomly get body aches or chills. So it's vastly different from a common cold. No random fevers?! Do y'all do daycare? Tell me your secrets please, we're back in daycare and had a solid month of someone having a fever after we started back. It's exhausting. I thought I remembered you having flu-like symptoms back when COVID hit but I may very well be mistaken. We haven't since mine was 2. Everything he has had we could tie to something, not just random. This may be a shock- there are things other than the cold and flu that can cause illness.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2021 23:34:04 GMT -6
thats not subtle to me. I don't just randomly get fevers abs neither does anyone in my house. I don't randomly get body aches or chills. So it's vastly different from a common cold. No random fevers?! Do y'all do daycare? Tell me your secrets please, we're back in daycare and had a solid month of someone having a fever after we started back. It's exhausting. I thought I remembered you having flu-like symptoms back when COVID hit but I may very well be mistaken. I think I had bronchitis in Oct 2019. I don't remember. My son has had a fever once in life. My daughter maybe 3 times in life. My husband once since I met him. Me maybe 2 times since 1999.
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Post by cmb on Jul 20, 2021 4:09:03 GMT -6
No random fevers?! Do y'all do daycare? Tell me your secrets please, we're back in daycare and had a solid month of someone having a fever after we started back. It's exhausting. I thought I remembered you having flu-like symptoms back when COVID hit but I may very well be mistaken. We haven't since mine was 2. Everything he has had we could tie to something, not just random. This may be a shock- there are things other than the cold and flu that can cause illness. Same. Out of 3 kids, we have had exactly 1 fever not tied to an infection. Also, RSV was really bad the month or two before covid was diagnosed in the states. It ran through our house and took out both DD and me, but the boys and DH were totally fine. I don’t think they even had a sniffle. It went through my office and knocked out half of us for over a week each. It felt like a mild case of the flu. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 20, 2021 4:26:12 GMT -6
Also in general if you are a person who thinks you had COVID before COVID was endemic where you live, I think 80% of you were just experiencing influenza for the first time. Just a side note theory. I sort of had this happen but it was mono.
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Post by beatch on Jul 20, 2021 4:30:15 GMT -6
Idk The time I had the flu - tested positive and all - it was unlike anything I’d ever had before. And I’d had my flu shot, as I always do. It feels pretty different than a cold. It sucks. I've only had the flu once and I could not get out of bed. At least you can function with a cold.
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Post by euphony on Jul 20, 2021 5:48:47 GMT -6
It is strange to me sometimes how this pandemic is both a universal experience, and also very regional. I do not know anyone in my real life that caught covid. It is still a very abstract fear in many ways for me, and it is the shutdowns that have really impacted my life.
I am still very wary. Canada is always a couple months behind the US/European surges. I figure it is coming and don't think there will be more lockdowns to slow it.
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Post by beepers on Jul 20, 2021 6:01:22 GMT -6
Guys. Up to 50% of flu cases are asymptomatic. Google it, I need to go to bed so I won’t but since learning that I am equal parts aghast and equal parts convinced the flu shot is amazing. I had the flu once with terrible symptoms. I was 19. Dh had it in 2017 despite the flu shot and he was in the second worse shape I’ve ever seen him (#1 being when his appendix burst.) I’m sure we’ve probably had mild versions of it other times. This was one of the first “well huh” moments I had back in 2020. When we realized some people test + for Covid but remain completely asymptomatic. Like historically how many people would have tested + for flu but had no symptoms? We just don’t swab everyone for flu or check for flu antibodies like we were doing with covid.
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Post by beepers on Jul 20, 2021 6:05:22 GMT -6
peachesncream have you checked with your employer for EAP benefits? I went that direction after I called several other therapists (some never even responded). I got 5 free sessions and because they accept EAP for my company, she’s very very familiar with our stories from the last year. (And also she knows “we” HCW are usually very very awful at taking our own advice 😬)
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Post by addymac on Jul 20, 2021 7:22:40 GMT -6
It is strange to me sometimes how this pandemic is both a universal experience, and also very regional. I do not know anyone in my real life that caught covid. It is still a very abstract fear in many ways for me, and it is the shutdowns that have really impacted my life. I am still very wary. Canada is always a couple months behind the US/European surges. I figure it is coming and don't think there will be more lockdowns to slow it. Oh wow. That’s wild to me. I felt that way maybe a year ago.
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