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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 18, 2017 11:55:28 GMT -6
Does this mean that everyone who died at the battle of Winterfell has the potential to come back? Like.. is zombie Rickon going to happen? Gasp. I feel like if they were going to give anyone a proper burn and bury though, it would be him. Would they? The Starks have a family crypt, I thought. Tradition is VERY important to the North. I'm not sure they would have burned a Stark noble, even with threat of wights... and they are so sure that the walkers can't come south. I don't know if Jon would have risked losing followers for what many of them would still see as superstition.
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Post by mapleme on Jul 18, 2017 12:14:41 GMT -6
Gasp. I feel like if they were going to give anyone a proper burn and bury though, it would be him. Would they? The Starks have a family crypt, I thought. Tradition is VERY important to the North. I'm not sure they would have burned a Stark noble, even with threat of wights... and they are so sure that the walkers can't come south. I don't know if Jon would have risked losing followers for what many of them would still see as superstition. Jon specifically said that Rikon was going into the crypt. It was at the end of Battle of the Bastards as they brought his body back on a stretcher. But if Rikon can come back, can all the Starks buried there? Is there a point at which a body is too far gone to be brought back?
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Post by leatherpants on Jul 18, 2017 12:18:11 GMT -6
Would they? The Starks have a family crypt, I thought. Tradition is VERY important to the North. I'm not sure they would have burned a Stark noble, even with threat of wights... and they are so sure that the walkers can't come south. I don't know if Jon would have risked losing followers for what many of them would still see as superstition. Jon specifically said that Rikon was going into the crypt. It was at the end of Battle of the Bastards as they brought his body back on a stretcher. But if Rikon can come back, can all the Starks buried there? Is there a point at which a body is too far gone to be brought back? Like, say headless bodies?
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Post by somesay on Jul 18, 2017 12:21:54 GMT -6
Jon specifically said that Rikon was going into the crypt. It was at the end of Battle of the Bastards as they brought his body back on a stretcher. But if Rikon can come back, can all the Starks buried there? Is there a point at which a body is too far gone to be brought back? Like, say headless bodies? Or a body that was eaten by dogs?
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Post by bugglesbee on Jul 18, 2017 12:42:13 GMT -6
Like, say headless bodies? Or a body that was eaten by dogs? I was wonder about this too, do all the ancestors rise up?
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Post by joy on Jul 18, 2017 12:50:22 GMT -6
If that's Wun Wun, then I have A LOT of questions.
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Post by auri on Jul 18, 2017 13:18:55 GMT -6
I have a hard time believing that Jon wouldn't burn the dead. He's too afraid of the Night King to risk it. That was one of his reasons for protecting the Wildlings...he didn't want to add to the army of the dead. Maybe it was just stylized to give us that shock...but it's probably another long dead giant.
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Post by goldenlove on Jul 18, 2017 13:25:42 GMT -6
Isn't Lyanna in the crypt or is that just a statue? Maybe Jon can meet his mom.
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Post by leatherpants on Jul 18, 2017 13:36:13 GMT -6
Isn't Lyanna in the crypt or is that just a statue? Maybe Jon can meet his mom. And then kill her.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 18, 2017 13:52:39 GMT -6
Gasp. I feel like if they were going to give anyone a proper burn and bury though, it would be him. Would they? The Starks have a family crypt, I thought. Tradition is VERY important to the North. I'm not sure they would have burned a Stark noble, even with threat of wights... and they are so sure that the walkers can't come south. I don't know if Jon would have risked losing followers for what many of them would still see as superstition. This is what I thought.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 18, 2017 13:53:34 GMT -6
Isn't Lyanna in the crypt or is that just a statue? Maybe Jon can meet his mom. And then kill her. With a sword made of dragonglass, turning it into Lightbringer, fulfilling the prophecy of Azor Ahai! Or something. I feel like the showrunners are just going to overlook all of these issues being raised and just leave a bunch of plot holes like they always do.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 18, 2017 14:13:38 GMT -6
I have a hard time believing that Jon wouldn't burn the dead. He's too afraid of the Night King to risk it. That was one of his reasons for protecting the Wildlings...he didn't want to add to the army of the dead. Maybe it was just stylized to give us that shock...but it's probably another long dead giant. Then why the one eye? Why the close-up of his face? Why have the army marching on grass turning to snow as they pass? I feel like it was pretty clearly a vision of the army being south of the wall, which is concerning AF for everyone and would be a way to rally everyone to work together (except Cersei, no way is she going to join forces with these people). Not sure why we would have needed another vision of the Night King and his army if there wasn't something more to it. Bran knows the army exists and so do we.
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Post by AnnPerkins on Jul 18, 2017 14:17:53 GMT -6
Isn't Lyanna in the crypt or is that just a statue? Maybe Jon can meet his mom. And then kill her. Again.
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Post by clucky on Jul 18, 2017 17:03:12 GMT -6
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Post by clucky on Jul 18, 2017 17:06:30 GMT -6
Someone talk to me about the sword in the book. Was it steel with a bone handle? Wasn't that somewhere in season 1? I feel like we've seen it before, and that they paused on it makes me think I'm right, but why and where.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 18, 2017 18:26:47 GMT -6
Someone talk to me about the sword in the book. Was it steel with a bone handle? Wasn't that somewhere in season 1? I feel like we've seen it before, and that they paused on it makes me think I'm right, but why and where. Which sword? There are too many "important" swords in this damn show, heh. These are all the Valyrian steel swords we know of in the show and where they are: Longclaw is Jon's sword, which he was given by the former leader of the Night's Watch. It's actually the ancestral blade of House Mormont, so Jorah may be looking for that at some point. This is probably the one you're thinking of because it has the bone handle. Lightbringer is a legendary sword that will be wielded by Azor Ahai/The Prince That Was Promised to defeat the Others (presumed to be the Night King's army). May not be a literal sword. Ice was Ned Stark's sword but it was melted down and turned into Oathkeeper, which is Brienne's sword, and Widow's Wail, which is currently with Jaime. Heartsbane is Sam's father's sword that he took from his father's house when he left with Gilly. Annnnd there's Catspaw, which is a Valyrian dagger that Littlefinger has right now but has been heavily featured in promo pics on Arya's hip, so... that's interesting. Valyrian steel is important because it is supposed to be able to defeat the White Walkers. ETA: In the books it's presumed to be able to defeat White Walkers. In the show it's confirmed because Jon uses Longclaw to kill one.
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Post by clucky on Jul 18, 2017 23:55:03 GMT -6
Someone talk to me about the sword in the book. Was it steel with a bone handle? Wasn't that somewhere in season 1? I feel like we've seen it before, and that they paused on it makes me think I'm right, but why and where. Which sword? There are too many "important" swords in this damn show, heh. These are all the Valyrian steel swords we know of in the show and where they are: Longclaw is Jon's sword, which he was given by the former leader of the Night's Watch. It's actually the ancestral blade of House Mormont, so Jorah may be looking for that at some point. This is probably the one you're thinking of because it has the bone handle. Lightbringer is a legendary sword that will be wielded by Azor Ahai/The Prince That Was Promised to defeat the Others (presumed to be the Night King's army). May not be a literal sword. Ice was Ned Stark's sword but it was melted down and turned into Oathkeeper, which is Brienne's sword, and Widow's Wail, which is currently with Jaime. Heartsbane is Sam's father's sword that he took from his father's house when he left with Gilly. Annnnd there's Catspaw, which is a Valyrian dagger that Littlefinger has right now but has been heavily featured in promo pics on Arya's hip, so... that's interesting. Valyrian steel is important because it is supposed to be able to defeat the White Walkers. ETA: In the books it's presumed to be able to defeat White Walkers. In the show it's confirmed because Jon uses Longclaw to kill one. Okay, so. I figured it out. S1E3 Catlyn had Varyss look at it in LF's brothel. He didn't know who's it was, jus that it was Valyrian steel. LF was excited to know something Varys didn't. It was his sword, but he lost it to Tyrion. In comparison to those you listed, it would be a chef's knife. When Sam is looking through the book from the restricted section, he pauses on it far too long before flipping the page to the mountain of dragonglass.
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Post by clucky on Jul 19, 2017 0:05:30 GMT -6
Which sword? There are too many "important" swords in this damn show, heh. These are all the Valyrian steel swords we know of in the show and where they are: Longclaw is Jon's sword, which he was given by the former leader of the Night's Watch. It's actually the ancestral blade of House Mormont, so Jorah may be looking for that at some point. This is probably the one you're thinking of because it has the bone handle. Lightbringer is a legendary sword that will be wielded by Azor Ahai/The Prince That Was Promised to defeat the Others (presumed to be the Night King's army). May not be a literal sword. Ice was Ned Stark's sword but it was melted down and turned into Oathkeeper, which is Brienne's sword, and Widow's Wail, which is currently with Jaime. Heartsbane is Sam's father's sword that he took from his father's house when he left with Gilly. Annnnd there's Catspaw, which is a Valyrian dagger that Littlefinger has right now but has been heavily featured in promo pics on Arya's hip, so... that's interesting. Valyrian steel is important because it is supposed to be able to defeat the White Walkers. ETA: In the books it's presumed to be able to defeat White Walkers. In the show it's confirmed because Jon uses Longclaw to kill one. Okay, so. I figured it out. S1E3 Catlyn had Varyss look at it in LF's brothel. He didn't know who's it was, jus that it was Valyrian steel. LF was excited to know something Varys didn't. It was his sword, but he lost it to Tyrion. In comparison to those you listed, it would be a chef's knife. When Sam is looking through the book from the restricted section, he pauses on it far too long before flipping the page to the mountain of dragonglass. So Catspaw. Sorry, missed that part. I didn't realize LF had it back.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 19, 2017 4:28:24 GMT -6
Okay, so. I figured it out. S1E3 Catlyn had Varyss look at it in LF's brothel. He didn't know who's it was, jus that it was Valyrian steel. LF was excited to know something Varys didn't. It was his sword, but he lost it to Tyrion. In comparison to those you listed, it would be a chef's knife. When Sam is looking through the book from the restricted section, he pauses on it far too long before flipping the page to the mountain of dragonglass. So Catspaw. Sorry, missed that part. I didn't realize LF had it back. In the book it is obvious that he takes it after the botched assassination but I don't know if it was that clear in the show. I don't remember season one very well any more, haha. So maybe Baelish doesn't have it in the show.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2017 6:16:38 GMT -6
So Catspaw. Sorry, missed that part. I didn't realize LF had it back. In the book it is obvious that he takes it after the botched assassination but I don't know if it was that clear in the show. I don't remember season one very well any more, haha. So maybe Baelish doesn't have it in the show. Yes, in the book they make it clear that he has it.
Let's keep in mind though that he lied on Tyrion so I don't think it was ever really his.
On the show Catelyn Stark took the blade to King's Landing. Littlefinger told her it had belonged to him. After that, it was in Ned's possession. It was on his desk when Cersei walks in to talk to him. After that it has not been seen since.
Anyway, in season 1 when she shows it to the Maester. He tells her that it was made of Valyrian steel and had a "dragonbone" hilt.
Now recently Arya Stark wore it on a cover of Entertainment Weekly.
So, does this mean she gets it in King's Landing?
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Post by Bluebird on Jul 21, 2017 21:00:06 GMT -6
Bumping this - did anyone else watch the ComicCon GoT trailer that was released today? Exciting stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:20:09 GMT -6
I finally watched the first episode. We use our friend's account to watch (along with a billion other people) and the first two nights, we kept getting the "you are streaming on too many devices" message. Lol.
So I'll probably be behind the whole season and not have much to contribute.
But I'm watching!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:39:29 GMT -6
Can those who don't like arya tell me why? I am interested to hear the reasoning. Her storyline bugged me for the longest time but I do like her and where she is now. I'm happy to see a Stark avenging The Red Wedding. I was bored with Arya killing people I didn't know. I wanted her to kill people I did know. So I'm happy now...and perhaps also a psychopath.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:43:25 GMT -6
That's a really interesting point, AnnPerkins. Hadn't thought about Shireen and the Dragonstone/greyscale connection. Poor kid. Omg, I had to go back and re-read Ann's post that I skimmed because I thought you were talking about a connection between Dragonstone/greyscale and Ed Sheeran. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:47:31 GMT -6
I kept waiting for Ed and those soldiers to try something with Arya. She found the chillest band of Lannister dudes around.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 23, 2017 14:20:32 GMT -6
HBO is having a free weekend. I will be able to watch live!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 14:38:09 GMT -6
Can those who don't like arya tell me why? I am interested to hear the reasoning. Her storyline bugged me for the longest time but I do like her and where she is now. I'm happy to see a Stark avenging The Red Wedding. I was bored with Arya killing people I didn't know. I wanted her to kill people I did know. So I'm happy now...and perhaps also a psychopath. Lololol this is where I'm at
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Jul 23, 2017 15:51:00 GMT -6
Ooo that ComicCon trailer is really good Bluebird! Euron was getting quite the welcome in Kings Landing it looks like.
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Post by srod on Jul 28, 2017 12:03:39 GMT -6
Can those who don't like arya tell me why? I am interested to hear the reasoning. Her storyline bugged me for the longest time but I do like her and where she is now. I'm happy to see a Stark avenging The Red Wedding. I was bored with Arya killing people I didn't know. I wanted her to kill people I did know. So I'm happy now...and perhaps also a psychopath. With you 100%. I love Arya, but I was so sick of her arc. So glad she's finally back in Westeros actually doing something relevant to the story.
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