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Post by msdrdg on Sept 21, 2020 8:57:46 GMT -6
DS is in school, aka his bedroom. H went to the store to buy paint. We are redoing the kitchen and I decided I hate the paint we (he) picked 6 months ago. So he's off buying a very different color that I chose. I hope I like it or he's gonna kill me. What color? Originally the room was a horrible peach, it took 9 years to finally paint it. I wanted a blue/gray. He bought BM Beacon Gray which is a nice color, but with the light in the room looks like a baby blue and it's just....I don't know....I don't like it. So we are going darker and grayer and trying BM Wolf Gray. Here's hoping.
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Post by Tlex on Sept 21, 2020 8:57:58 GMT -6
What is the accuracy rate of the Covid tests? My anecdote: MH was tested 3 times before he tested positive (and the third time was outside the quaratine period). He only got tested the last time because his parents wanted to visit for DS and DD1's birthdays, and we wanted to be extra sure. The only one of my kids who tested positive was DS, but the pediatrician said he felt confident that all three had it. DD2 was the only one who got sick, but just for a couple of days. Of course, our situation was different because we had known exposure, but I'm curious how many people are getting false negatives. It varies widely, but false negatives are pretty common (I think the range is like 2% all the way up to 30%, something like that?). Much more common than false positives. It has a lot to do with the method of collection. It's easy to miss those particles with a swab, or have an issue with the transport media. It's possible it just hadn't incubated enough the first couple times to pick up the viral particles on the test. More likely, he just hadn't contracted it yet. They told us to hum during the swab and I’m guessing this moves things around so they’re more likely to get a good sample? I hummed my ass off.
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Post by thatgolfb on Sept 21, 2020 8:58:07 GMT -6
I am going to attempt to check out of the convo. I'm tired of defending the lab testing.
ETA: I will just add that you have to assume every single lab test you get has *some* margin of error. No test is 100% sensitive or 100% specific.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 21, 2020 8:58:28 GMT -6
Also, aren't covid tests and such supposed to be covered by the CARES money so no charge to the patient?
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Post by piratecat on Sept 21, 2020 8:58:57 GMT -6
If I'm being honest, I don't really trust the tests a lot. I've known a couple people who tested negative but had very clear covid symptoms. Even earlier in the summer months when other viruses are less common. Eta and then those people go back to daily life, even if they're still ill So why bother............?
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Post by Tlex on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:08 GMT -6
Ice Breaker liner gloves are about $40 but so good - nice on their own or can go inside mittens if you’re playing or skiing. thanks, I’ll look for those. I recently developed a nice stress induced cold allergy so this mornings bike ride resulted is swollen fingers, lips and ears and hives over my thighs. I need a fleece balaclava and toaster suit apparently Oh fuck. So sorry. Your stress induced allergies are always tough to avoid things! Why can’t you just be allergic to like.... koalas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:12 GMT -6
If I'm being honest, I don't really trust the tests a lot. I've known a couple people who tested negative but had very clear covid symptoms. Even earlier in the summer months when other viruses are less common. Eta and then those people go back to daily life, even if they're still ill Sigh. I don't know why you would sigh this. This was an adjacent thought. I had someone on FB complain about clear covid symptoms of chest cough and difficulty breathing, test negative, and then keep on with her lack of masking and going to public places like children's museums.
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Post by Rusty Red on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:30 GMT -6
Woof.
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Post by dc2london on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:37 GMT -6
What is the accuracy rate of the Covid tests? My anecdote: MH was tested 3 times before he tested positive (and the third time was outside the quaratine period). He only got tested the last time because his parents wanted to visit for DS and DD1's birthdays, and we wanted to be extra sure. The only one of my kids who tested positive was DS, but the pediatrician said he felt confident that all three had it. DD2 was the only one who got sick, but just for a couple of days. Of course, our situation was different because we had known exposure, but I'm curious how many people are getting false negatives. My understanding is that different tests have different accuracy rates, but I read about at least one that could be up to 30% false negatives.
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Post by Tlex on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:39 GMT -6
I am going to attempt to check out of the convo. I'm tired of defending the lab testing. You’ve explained it clearly so many times. Doing the lords work.
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Post by frantastic on Sept 21, 2020 9:00:43 GMT -6
I really want a cigarette. Somebody get the spray bottle. 3/4 of this thread needs a spray bottle.
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Post by piratecat on Sept 21, 2020 9:00:47 GMT -6
Also, aren't covid tests and such supposed to be covered by the CARES money so no charge to the patient? I'm not sure, I think that may have expired and insurance companies of course are being shitty about covering them? Our state is still offering them for free if you get tested through their various facilities.
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Post by ivegotababy on Sept 21, 2020 9:00:53 GMT -6
That’s interesting that you need to self isolate for 10 days for cold symptoms, isn’t as what everybody was talking about when the kids started at school, and were outraged to think that they would have to isolate after every symptom? I just can’t see that as realistic as much as it is necessary. There is some provider discretion involved as well. I didn’t go into all that detail because it is kind of hard to explain, but If you’d like to hear my whole isolation protocol I can tell you. This is what everyone I work with does as well. 1- If you have symptoms and can isolate for the 10 day minimum, just do that. 2- If you have symptoms but you cannot easily isolate or live with someone who cannot quarantine while you isolate plus an additional two weeks, consider testing. 3- If positive on testing, isolate for 10 day minimum. 4- If negative on testing: A- mild symptoms (like a cold without a fever) gives you a lower “pre-test probability” of having Covid. With a low pre-test probability (this is really where doctor discretion is involved) because minor symptoms/no fever, I will clear people to return before the 10 days are up but advise strict masking. B- more concerning symptoms (like any fever in the course of illness, a significant cough, or a combo of many mild symptoms, etc...) I will recommend the full 10 day minimum isolation. This is not perfect as we all acknowledge that false negatives exist. However, it does prevent a lot of people with mild symptoms from spreading it. The very very few false negatives with mild symptoms may be ending isolation too soon, but that is better than everyone with mild symptoms being out and about. I hope this makes sense.
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Post by Rusty Red on Sept 21, 2020 9:01:14 GMT -6
New doggo goes for his first heartworm treatment on Wednesday. Unfortunately he has started peeing in the house, but the heartworm could be leading to other issues. The doc thinks once it is clear, a lot of other things may clear as well.
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Post by tmg on Sept 21, 2020 9:01:36 GMT -6
My son had a fever for 24 hours with no other symptoms and had to be out of daycare for 10 days, per the protocol that brux posted, which is the same as what daycare sent me. Yes it sucked, but it is what it is.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 21, 2020 9:01:44 GMT -6
2 wrongs don't make a right. My 6 and 7 year olds know this. And on that note, I think its time I get busy for the day.
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Post by thatgolfb on Sept 21, 2020 9:02:08 GMT -6
I don't know why you would sigh this. This was an adjacent thought. I had someone on FB complain about clear covid symptoms of chest cough and difficulty breathing, test negative, and then keep on with her lack of masking and going to public places like children's museums. I'm sighing because I am guessing you don't understand a lot about the margins of error in lab testing. Maybe they did have false negatives. That doesn't mean the results are totally useless or that everyone's test result is inaccurate. But hey, if you aren't getting tested anyway, it truly does not matter.
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Post by Tlex on Sept 21, 2020 9:02:18 GMT -6
From all the weird assumed false negatives and assumed false positives, I feel like a test at this point is merely a means to avoid or reduce a 14 day isolation. Hell yes it is. I’m testing to avoid 14 straight days in this apartment with my kids! Get thee some negatives and get us OUT of here!
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Post by dc2london on Sept 21, 2020 9:02:23 GMT -6
H lined up at 6:30 am today with the baby and I met him there around 8 with the big girls, we all needed tests except D1 - sore throats, runny noses. Fx for negatives and then we can return to school/daycare as soon as we’re 24 hours symptom free. Oh man, haven't you already had it? My poor lex. Let me put on a hazmat suit and make you soup.
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Post by thatgolfb on Sept 21, 2020 9:02:30 GMT -6
I just can't help myself from responding, GDI. Why am I the way that I am.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 21, 2020 9:03:31 GMT -6
Also, aren't covid tests and such supposed to be covered by the CARES money so no charge to the patient? I'm not sure, I think that may have expired and insurance companies of course are being shitty about covering them? Our state is still offering them for free if you get tested through their various facilities. I wasn't sure. Last I knew our local hospital is trying to bill insurance and then writing off whatever the insurance doesn't pay so its still no charge to the patient. And its a drive thru testing so no dr visit or even getting out of your car. There's also walgreens doing tests but I don't know the specifics on that as far as $$ goes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 9:04:02 GMT -6
I don't know why you would sigh this. This was an adjacent thought. I had someone on FB complain about clear covid symptoms of chest cough and difficulty breathing, test negative, and then keep on with her lack of masking and going to public places like children's museums. I'm sighing because I am guessing you don't understand a lot about the margins of error in lab testing. Maybe they did have false negatives. That doesn't mean the results are totally useless or that everyone's test result is inaccurate. But hey, if you aren't getting tested anyway, it truly does not matter. I will get tested if I need to. I've known people with positives too but the occurrence of false negatives scare me because of the people who go back to daily life of no distancing when they get the negative results despite symptoms.
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Post by brux on Sept 21, 2020 9:04:38 GMT -6
From all the weird assumed false negatives and assumed false positives, I feel like a test at this point is merely a means to avoid or reduce a 14 day isolation. Hell yes it is. I’m testing to avoid 14 straight days in this apartment with my kids! Get thee some negatives and get us OUT of here! I would just hang out with the swab in my nose to avoid 14 days being locked in my house.
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Post by Tlex on Sept 21, 2020 9:04:47 GMT -6
H lined up at 6:30 am today with the baby and I met him there around 8 with the big girls, we all needed tests except D1 - sore throats, runny noses. Fx for negatives and then we can return to school/daycare as soon as we’re 24 hours symptom free. Oh man, haven't you already had it? My poor lex. Let me put on a hazmat suit and make you soup. Back when only people who had travelled or had a confirmed exposure were able to get a test, so we’ll never know for sure if that’s what it was! But I don’t think we have Covid now, colds or allergies are more likely given our mild symptoms and the time of year. Just doing our part to keep others safe. Another pro to testing besides avoiding the 14 day isolation is if we were positive, we can update the tracking app and help with contact tracing.
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Post by justbecause on Sept 21, 2020 9:04:48 GMT -6
It’s the 20th anniversary of Linkin Park’s Hybrid Theory. I’m gonna hunt up some headphones and listen while I clean my house.
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Post by dc2london on Sept 21, 2020 9:05:11 GMT -6
Katie Porter told me COVID tests are supposed to be free. Mine and DS' were free but we got billed for Dad's from Labcorp.
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Post by shadows on Sept 21, 2020 9:06:01 GMT -6
I am going to attempt to check out of the convo. I'm tired of defending the lab testing. ETA: I will just add that you have to assume every single lab test you get has *some* margin of error. No test is 100% sensitive or 100% specific. I'm sorry if my comment upset you. To be clear, I wasn't trying to argue against testing. At all. I was just offering an anecdote of what we experienced. I would guess, due to the nature of the testing for this specific illness, there is probably some user error because it seems to be more difficult than normal to collect a specimen. I know nothing about lab testing, though.
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Post by wasabi on Sept 21, 2020 9:06:22 GMT -6
Happy Monday I guess.
We ordered our washer/dryer 9 days ago and it’s finally being delivered tomorrow. I went to the laundry mat once, and did laundry at MIL’s on Friday. I was realllly hoping we could stretch it til tomorrow when they’re installed, but I think I need another trip to the laundry mat 😫 (yes I prefer this to going to MIL’s lol).
I honestly don’t mind it and like being able to get multiple loads done at once, but not so fun with a baby.
Anyway, yeah fun Monday planned
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Post by brux on Sept 21, 2020 9:06:53 GMT -6
I was billed nearly $200 for my covid test appointment.
I think it was kind of scammy because I was directed to a clinic for the test and then checked my blood pressure and breathing, so it was billed as if it was an office visit checkup. Kinda bullshit.
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Post by piratecat on Sept 21, 2020 9:07:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure, I think that may have expired and insurance companies of course are being shitty about covering them? Our state is still offering them for free if you get tested through their various facilities. I wasn't sure. Last I knew our local hospital is trying to bill insurance and then writing off whatever the insurance doesn't pay so its still no charge to the patient. And its a drive thru testing so no dr visit or even getting out of your car. There's also walgreens doing tests but I don't know the specifics on that as far as $$ goes. I think our state has it set up such that if you have known exposure or elevated risk you can get tested at their facility without a doctor's order so you wouldn't necessarily have to go through a doctor's visit or urgent care, especially if you don't have access to one.
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