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Post by Tlex on Sept 20, 2020 9:23:35 GMT -6
Deleted IG as a one week challenge to myself to figure out how else to spend my time. I feel like it’s a happy place for me - I’ve curated it well - but I was scrolling a lot and noticed this morning I opened it like 10 times when I finished another activity. That ain’t healthy.
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Post by babybean on Sept 20, 2020 9:27:28 GMT -6
Deleted IG as a one week challenge to myself to figure out how else to spend my time. I feel like it’s a happy place for me - I’ve curated it well - but I was scrolling a lot and noticed this morning I opened it like 10 times when I finished another activity. That ain’t healthy. the screen time feature on the iPhone has been eye opening for me. Even on productive days I’m still on my phone a lot. I think about all the other things I could’ve done with that time.
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emma
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Post by emma on Sept 20, 2020 9:46:48 GMT -6
Deleted IG as a one week challenge to myself to figure out how else to spend my time. I feel like it’s a happy place for me - I’ve curated it well - but I was scrolling a lot and noticed this morning I opened it like 10 times when I finished another activity. That ain’t healthy. boo, I enjoy your IG
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Post by jaygee on Sept 20, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -6
Deleted IG as a one week challenge to myself to figure out how else to spend my time. I feel like it’s a happy place for me - I’ve curated it well - but I was scrolling a lot and noticed this morning I opened it like 10 times when I finished another activity. That ain’t healthy. I’ve been pretty much off it all summer mostly because with covid I find it kind of boring (what are people doing) and I don’t have content to add. I have it buried in a folder on my phone so it’s out of sight out of mind. It’s been fine. I will occasionally go and check for a specific thing - like a persons account I want to scroll and then exit. I wish I could say it’s reduced my overall time on my phone but with the state of the world these days, I’ve just spent more time on twitter and news. I will buckle down after the election.
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Post by lunarscallion on Sept 20, 2020 10:17:57 GMT -6
I don’t plan to watch the documentary but I’ve been in the tech world for 12 years so I don’t feel like it can tell me anything I don’t already know. My husband is in the industry working on something directly applicable and most of my neighbors and friends are in the industry. When I make small talk with a random person at a party, chances are they work in tech. We’ve been having this conversation for a long time. I remember chatting with someone at a party who worked at one of the major travel sites explaining how their algorithm decides what results to show you and how it calculates the maximum price you’d be willing to pay. So you and I searching for the same trip may be shown two different prices for the same package. The more we understand about how things work behind the curtain, the harder it is to be manipulated. If I look at how TV ads are, especially those targeted for kids, I’m not going to hold my breathe for meaningful regulation. I try to shield my 3 year old from any advertisements but it’s impossible. So we’re already having conversations about what are they trying to sell and how are they trying to make you feel to do that. If we believe we don’t have the power to manage our own emotions, regulation is not going to fix that. And if we aren’t in a place to be able to manage our reactions reliably, taking a SM break is a totally reasonable way to manage that.
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Post by beatch on Sept 20, 2020 10:55:01 GMT -6
I count the board as social media but not in quite the same way as Facebook. First of all, I choose whose posts to read and there aren’t algorithms to play games with my brain. We are definitely the product, though. I’m going to make H watch the documentary with me, but I know he will then just make a federal case about my usage because he has no social media anymore. There's ad retargeting here, but that's at least one step removed from the psychological sorting Facebook and their ilk does. But certainly this place would get much worse if Facebook purchased it. I could never give up Facebook because I have way too many photography groups. I have found myself rarely going onto Instagram because I'm aware of how others use it in my industry and it's bothersome. I just feel like everyone is so fucking fake in trying to be "authentic" and I know it works for them but it ain't my jam. Twitter is the worst but I'm definitely on there the most. It's also arguably the most addictive because you can constantly scroll for new content. It's definitely my liberal bubble and some of the funniest content. To wit: For me, happiness on social media is often not engaging. Like I will throw down with Trumpers on Facebook and people I don't even know on Twitter! So fucking dumb and a waste of time. Occasionally when something is egregiously wrong I like to counter it in the nicest way possible but mainly I have stopped engaging and that has led me to have a more positive viewpoint on social media channels. I also wholeheartedly agree with the positives McBenny mentioned. Through Marco Polo, I've renewed some friendships with my cousins and that couldn't have happened without social media. So many more social justice causes are getting attention and traction. I don't ever see myself cutting the cord on social media but I'm definitely trying to be more aware of how much time I'm spending on these portals and how it impacts my mood.
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Post by adelbert on Sept 20, 2020 11:20:44 GMT -6
The most serious issue for me right now are the political/social reprecussions. We already see social media being used to try to control populations and to try to affect things like voting. I'm very worried about this progressing without regulations. It's a global issue and I think it's pretty scary.
I thought the Pizzagate example they shared was a good one.
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Post by McBenny on Sept 20, 2020 11:33:31 GMT -6
If we believe we don’t have the power to manage our own emotions, regulation is not going to fix that. And if we aren’t in a place to be able to manage our reactions reliably, taking a SM break is a totally reasonable way to manage that. OMG yes.
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Post by McBenny on Sept 20, 2020 11:51:58 GMT -6
I do feel that if I'm productive and getting my shit done as I do, why not look st social media? Why not flip through when sitting in a waiting room or a long line somewhere? I don't put social media ahead of anything else.
My most negative social media for me is this place. Everything else is fun and positive and or people and things that I love.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 20, 2020 12:01:24 GMT -6
I don’t plan to watch the documentary but I’ve been in the tech world for 12 years so I don’t feel like it can tell me anything I don’t already know. My husband is in the industry working on something directly applicable and most of my neighbors and friends are in the industry. When I make small talk with a random person at a party, chances are they work in tech. We’ve been having this conversation for a long time. I remember chatting with someone at a party who worked at one of the major travel sites explaining how their algorithm decides what results to show you and how it calculates the maximum price you’d be willing to pay. So you and I searching for the same trip may be shown two different prices for the same package. The more we understand about how things work behind the curtain, the harder it is to be manipulated. If I look at how TV ads are, especially those targeted for kids, I’m not going to hold my breathe for meaningful regulation. I try to shield my 3 year old from any advertisements but it’s impossible. So we’re already having conversations about what are they trying to sell and how are they trying to make you feel to do that. If we believe we don’t have the power to manage our own emotions, regulation is not going to fix that. And if we aren’t in a place to be able to manage our reactions reliably, taking a SM break is a totally reasonable way to manage that. Same re: being in the tech industry, and having lots of those conversations with colleagues and friends about how things work behind the scenes. And the conversations at home with our kids about how ads work, and now how online videos on YouTube or TikTok are created in a calculated way to elicit a specific response to generate the most money possible. But, the more I know often the more I don't want to give those people my eyeballs. I like to vote with my wallet, and I think this is somewhat similar. Just because I personally am not being manipulated because I understand how these things work, doesn't make it ok for me to passively enable these companies to continue to manipulate everyone else for their own gain, and cause harm in the process (in my opinion). Do you live in CA? Have I asked you this before? If you're in tech there are only a few places you could be, I wonder if we have connections in common. :-)
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Post by alwayscheese on Sept 20, 2020 12:46:55 GMT -6
Can you elaborate on this? I'm interested So, I just opened the app because I haven’t touched it in 6 months. Yikes. It looks like they revamped it a little. But the boot camp basically gives you different challenges each day and the whole idea is by just trusting the process you will feel better and just stick with it. The tasks are things like turn off your notifications. Move your most used apps to folders to make them harder to get to (you have to be sure you want to open it). Put your phone in a drawer when you’re working. There is one whole day you are not supposed to use your phone for more than like 10 minutes or something. The app does have a tracking component - it tracks your total time and if you participate in this part, it tracks where you are spending your time. I recommend it. It’s eye opening for sure. Is this iphone only? There were several apps called Moment when i looked on the play store but none looked right. I had been using AntiSocial to limit my screentime on certain apps but apparently my phone model likes to reset the app and they can't help me with that. Been using some of the parental controls on my phone now. I've also been trying to evaluate if i like the way i personally am using IG and whether i should just drop it. People keeping using the term "regulation". I haven't watched the doc, can someone define what your looking for as far as regulation with like Facebook or Instagram?
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Post by lunarscallion on Sept 20, 2020 12:49:10 GMT -6
I don’t plan to watch the documentary but I’ve been in the tech world for 12 years so I don’t feel like it can tell me anything I don’t already know. My husband is in the industry working on something directly applicable and most of my neighbors and friends are in the industry. When I make small talk with a random person at a party, chances are they work in tech. We’ve been having this conversation for a long time. I remember chatting with someone at a party who worked at one of the major travel sites explaining how their algorithm decides what results to show you and how it calculates the maximum price you’d be willing to pay. So you and I searching for the same trip may be shown two different prices for the same package. The more we understand about how things work behind the curtain, the harder it is to be manipulated. If I look at how TV ads are, especially those targeted for kids, I’m not going to hold my breathe for meaningful regulation. I try to shield my 3 year old from any advertisements but it’s impossible. So we’re already having conversations about what are they trying to sell and how are they trying to make you feel to do that. If we believe we don’t have the power to manage our own emotions, regulation is not going to fix that. And if we aren’t in a place to be able to manage our reactions reliably, taking a SM break is a totally reasonable way to manage that. Same re: being in the tech industry, and having lots of those conversations with colleagues and friends about how things work behind the scenes. And the conversations at home with our kids about how ads work, and now how online videos on YouTube or TikTok are created in a calculated way to elicit a specific response to generate the most money possible. But, the more I know often the more I don't want to give those people my eyeballs. I like to vote with my wallet, and I think this is somewhat similar. Just because I personally am not being manipulated because I understand how these things work, doesn't make it ok for me to passively enable these companies to continue to manipulate everyone else for their own gain, and cause harm in the process (in my opinion). Do you live in CA? Have I asked you this before? If you're in tech there are only a few places you could be, I wonder if we have connections in common. :-) Seattle-area so New Silicon Valley 😉
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Post by jaygee on Sept 20, 2020 12:53:55 GMT -6
So, I just opened the app because I haven’t touched it in 6 months. Yikes. It looks like they revamped it a little. But the boot camp basically gives you different challenges each day and the whole idea is by just trusting the process you will feel better and just stick with it. The tasks are things like turn off your notifications. Move your most used apps to folders to make them harder to get to (you have to be sure you want to open it). Put your phone in a drawer when you’re working. There is one whole day you are not supposed to use your phone for more than like 10 minutes or something. The app does have a tracking component - it tracks your total time and if you participate in this part, it tracks where you are spending your time. I recommend it. It’s eye opening for sure. Is this iphone only? There were several apps called Moment when i looked on the play store but none looked right. I had been using AntiSocial to limit my screentime on certain apps but apparently my phone model likes to reset the app and they can't help me with that. Been using some of the parental controls on my phone now. I've also been trying to evaluate if i like the way i personally am using IG and whether i should just drop it. People keeping using the term "regulation". I haven't watched the doc, can someone define what your looking for as far as regulation with like Facebook or Instagram? It looks like it might be Apple supported only. Here’s the website: inthemoment.io/
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Post by alwayscheese on Sept 20, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -6
Is this iphone only? There were several apps called Moment when i looked on the play store but none looked right. I had been using AntiSocial to limit my screentime on certain apps but apparently my phone model likes to reset the app and they can't help me with that. Been using some of the parental controls on my phone now. I've also been trying to evaluate if i like the way i personally am using IG and whether i should just drop it. People keeping using the term "regulation". I haven't watched the doc, can someone define what your looking for as far as regulation with like Facebook or Instagram? It looks like it might be Apple supported only. Here’s the website: inthemoment.io/Thanks!
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 20, 2020 13:01:19 GMT -6
Same re: being in the tech industry, and having lots of those conversations with colleagues and friends about how things work behind the scenes. And the conversations at home with our kids about how ads work, and now how online videos on YouTube or TikTok are created in a calculated way to elicit a specific response to generate the most money possible. But, the more I know often the more I don't want to give those people my eyeballs. I like to vote with my wallet, and I think this is somewhat similar. Just because I personally am not being manipulated because I understand how these things work, doesn't make it ok for me to passively enable these companies to continue to manipulate everyone else for their own gain, and cause harm in the process (in my opinion). Do you live in CA? Have I asked you this before? If you're in tech there are only a few places you could be, I wonder if we have connections in common. :-) Seattle-area so New Silicon Valley 😉 Ah yes. I bet we do have connections in common, MH and I are both in tech (he longer than I) and we have a handful of former colleagues who have moved up there. Anyway, not trying to be a creeper, just being curious! And networking a little, heh.
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Post by Eagles on Sept 20, 2020 13:53:28 GMT -6
I need to watch it, but I can't just delete social media. It's in my job description - "social media manager."
I have a love/hate relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 13:55:52 GMT -6
Possible UO- I get a little tired of the anti-social media/technology stuff. Sure, my parents didn’t ignore me and scroll through Facebook when I was little but they flipped through the newspaper. Social media is what you make of it & it does have a lot of benefits. I flat out refuse to argue with people regarding politics on social media though- I just unfriend
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Post by babybean on Sept 20, 2020 14:09:13 GMT -6
Possible UO- I get a little tired of the anti-social media/technology stuff. Sure, my parents didn’t ignore me and scroll through Facebook when I was little but they flipped through the newspaper. Social media is what you make of it & it does have a lot of benefits. I flat out refuse to argue with people regarding politics on social media though- I just unfriend I think there are a lot of layers to it and it’s neither entirely good or entirely bad. The accessibility is a real concern though. Both in terms of what can be extrapolated about us as consumers but also things like the impact it has on young developing minds. I think because we remember a time before it we have a different perspective on it than younger people who’ve never known a world without it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:34:28 GMT -6
Possible UO- I get a little tired of the anti-social media/technology stuff. Sure, my parents didn’t ignore me and scroll through Facebook when I was little but they flipped through the newspaper. Social media is what you make of it & it does have a lot of benefits. I flat out refuse to argue with people regarding politics on social media though- I just unfriend I think there are a lot of layers to it and it’s neither entirely good or entirely bad. The accessibility is a real concern though. Both in terms of what can be extrapolated about us as consumers but also things like the impact it has on young developing minds. I think because we remember a time before it we have a different perspective on it than younger people who’ve never known a world without it. I was talking to DH about this and I said, well I grew up on chatrooms and then FB. And he said, but it wasn't in your pockets at all times. He's right.
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Post by emma on Sept 20, 2020 17:39:54 GMT -6
I think there are a lot of layers to it and it’s neither entirely good or entirely bad. The accessibility is a real concern though. Both in terms of what can be extrapolated about us as consumers but also things like the impact it has on young developing minds. I think because we remember a time before it we have a different perspective on it than younger people who’ve never known a world without it. I was talking to DH about this and I said, well I grew up on chatrooms and then FB. And he said, but it wasn't in your pockets at all times. He's right. chatrooms and FB in its infancy were also very far from what SM is now. There was no psychology to it, no constant stream of notifications, no click bait... I joined FB in 2004, I was 21 at university and I had to make an effort to sit at my laptop, plug in the internet and log in. The idea that we should expect teens to self regulate is somewhat silly and to say that our phones now are akin to our parents reading the paper is ridiculous. I mean even on a low usage day I probably still spend 2 hours total on my phone. My dad who read the paper cover to cover did not spend 2 hours doing so.
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Post by bazi on Sept 20, 2020 17:54:29 GMT -6
I was talking to DH about this and I said, well I grew up on chatrooms and then FB. And he said, but it wasn't in your pockets at all times. He's right. chatrooms and FB in its infancy were also very far from what SM is now. There was no psychology to it, no constant stream of notifications, no click bait... I joined FB in 2004, I was 21 at university and I had to make an effort to sit at my laptop, plug in the internet and log in. The idea that we should expect teens to self regulate is somewhat silly and to say that our phones now are akin to our parents reading the paper is ridiculous. I mean even on a low usage day I probably still spend 2 hours total on my phone. My dad who read the paper cover to cover did not spend 2 hours doing so. Right...the newspaper wasn’t and isn’t designed to make you spend 8 hours straight reading it. Nor does it queue up other newspapers for you to read in perpetuity. There’s a personal behavior and a public policy side to this discussion. I really don’t care what other adults do with their phones (as long as I’m not trying to have a conversation with you). I absolutely think that there should be more regulation around transparency about algorithms, child/teen safety and fake news. Nothing in the documentary was new to me, but I do think this is a space that needs more consumer advocacy/education. I don’t think most people realize they are the product.
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Post by AmyG on Sept 20, 2020 19:59:08 GMT -6
The thing people don't realize is that if you have an app for say the news, many of them tie into what you've searched on social media and looked at on your phone, the things on your facebook, the websites you go to etc etc etc, so your news may be focused on those things rather than just general news.
sounds good in theory that what you see is curated to appeal to you, but easily can end up with all you ever see is fox news versions of the news if you are a person who clicks wrong too many times to see what the other side is thinking (lol)
The tracking of where you go on the internet and how that effects what you see in your news feeds and facebook and instagram and twitter feeds etc, that's the wacko-est part.
The time killer, well, that part can be managed.
I feel like I need to use an incognito tab on my computer to look at all the things, so I see more without someone else filtering what I see. if that makes sense.
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Post by lunarscallion on Sept 21, 2020 18:44:19 GMT -6
Seattle-area so New Silicon Valley 😉 Ah yes. I bet we do have connections in common, MH and I are both in tech (he longer than I) and we have a handful of former colleagues who have moved up there. Anyway, not trying to be a creeper, just being curious! And networking a little, heh. We very well may! If you want to connect on Instagram, pm me your handle. (If that’s too creeper I won’t be offended!) I literally just saw a preschooler driving down my street in a power wheels Tesla which I think means his parents made 2 referrals. I’m not sure there are that many other places where this is considered normal. 😂
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 21, 2020 19:54:19 GMT -6
Ah yes. I bet we do have connections in common, MH and I are both in tech (he longer than I) and we have a handful of former colleagues who have moved up there. Anyway, not trying to be a creeper, just being curious! And networking a little, heh. We very well may! If you want to connect on Instagram, pm me your handle. (If that’s too creeper I won’t be offended!) I literally just saw a preschooler driving down my street in a power wheels Tesla which I think means his parents made 2 referrals. I’m not sure there are that many other places where this is considered normal. 😂 Not creeper at all, but sadly I am not on IG. I am only on Twitter and LinkedIn. But re the Tesla power wheels, there is a reason why we are sometimes derided as the Coastal Elite, and it's for dumb shit like that, LOL.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 21, 2020 19:58:53 GMT -6
The thing people don't realize is that if you have an app for say the news, many of them tie into what you've searched on social media and looked at on your phone, the things on your facebook, the websites you go to etc etc etc, so your news may be focused on those things rather than just general news. sounds good in theory that what you see is curated to appeal to you, but easily can end up with all you ever see is fox news versions of the news if you are a person who clicks wrong too many times to see what the other side is thinking (lol) The tracking of where you go on the internet and how that effects what you see in your news feeds and facebook and instagram and twitter feeds etc, that's the wacko-est part. The time killer, well, that part can be managed. I feel like I need to use an incognito tab on my computer to look at all the things, so I see more without someone else filtering what I see. if that makes sense. Yeah this is so true but so hard a habit to break when you're used to it! I tried to set up my parents' search engine to default to Duck Duck Go and my dad complained that it wasn't giving him the results he wanted. I was like YES, THAT IS MY POINT. Now, my parents are Biden supporters so it's not a case of a Fox News spiral, but the problem is the same. They just want "the results they want."
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Post by McBenny on Sept 21, 2020 20:27:46 GMT -6
I think there are a lot of layers to it and it’s neither entirely good or entirely bad. The accessibility is a real concern though. Both in terms of what can be extrapolated about us as consumers but also things like the impact it has on young developing minds. I think because we remember a time before it we have a different perspective on it than younger people who’ve never known a world without it. I was talking to DH about this and I said, well I grew up on chatrooms and then FB. And he said, but it wasn't in your pockets at all times. He's right. but you are in control of who is on your time line vs a chat room. You are in control of what pages you follow and you can even block ads and shit.
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Post by Queen Mamadala on Sept 21, 2020 21:17:23 GMT -6
We watched it with our teenagers when it dropped. It gave us a lot to talk about, though we’ve watched similar documentaries in the past and we’ve been having these conversations with our older kids for years. I think these conversations have played a role in their overall lack of interest in social media platforms. My oldest tried to use IG on several occasions and just didn’t see the point, and she only ever checks FB occasionally or when I tag her in something. She doesn’t use Snap or TikTok or whatever. My middle daughter uses IG to share drawings and artwork. That’s the extent of her SM usage. We have ongoing conversations about internet safety and how data is exploited on various SM platforms.
I’m not very active on IG and I rarely visit Twitter. I’m more active on FB and have scaled down the groups I frequent and purged my friends list on several occasions since ‘15. I like my echo chamber just the way it is. It’s a much more pleasant experience. I spend more time on message boards than traditional SM platforms.
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Post by Queen Mamadala on Sept 21, 2020 21:35:17 GMT -6
Possible UO- I get a little tired of the anti-social media/technology stuff. Sure, my parents didn’t ignore me and scroll through Facebook when I was little but they flipped through the newspaper. Social media is what you make of it & it does have a lot of benefits. I flat out refuse to argue with people regarding politics on social media though- I just unfriend Right. It’s a tool. We simply have to be aware of the many different factors that influence our behaviors and the sociopolitical/cultural impact and ramifications. This is how we explain it to our teenagers. My usage is limited and I’ve always preferred message boards and groups to just most everything else, and I’m not giving that up.
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Post by lunarscallion on Sept 21, 2020 21:37:03 GMT -6
We very well may! If you want to connect on Instagram, pm me your handle. (If that’s too creeper I won’t be offended!) I literally just saw a preschooler driving down my street in a power wheels Tesla which I think means his parents made 2 referrals. I’m not sure there are that many other places where this is considered normal. 😂 Not creeper at all, but sadly I am not on IG. I am only on Twitter and LinkedIn. But re the Tesla power wheels, there is a reason why we are sometimes derided as the Coastal Elite, and it's for dumb shit like that, LOL. I am not on Twitter and haven't been active on LinkedIn since my son was born so it's super out of date. Maybe one day I'll have a tik tok! lol
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Post by wasabi on Sept 22, 2020 5:12:51 GMT -6
Receiving notifications from here is mind blowing to me. I turn off notifications from everythinggggg. I hate them. Let me live my life and I’ll check that shit on my own terms!!
Anyhoo I need to watch this movie I guess now since I’ve commented in the thread lol
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