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Post by hangry on Jan 28, 2021 18:47:03 GMT -6
My guess for Toronto, Peel, Windsor, and and any other high area will be after March break. I’m kinda telling myself that so I’m not disappointed when Feb 10 rolls around and i suddenly have the kids for another month. It will just be a happy surprise if they go back in Feb.
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Post by hangry on Jan 28, 2021 18:49:57 GMT -6
Does anyone follow @ryanimgrund on Twitter? He’s a biostatistician and has tons of graphs and data about covid. Excellent. Edit to add: for Ontario Let’s see if I can link it here...
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Post by Pumpkinwest on Jan 28, 2021 18:51:51 GMT -6
I hope your kiddos stay safe Tlex! We are extended again for at home schooling here.
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Post by Tlex on Jan 28, 2021 20:15:58 GMT -6
Does anyone follow @ryanimgrund on Twitter? He’s a biostatistician and has tons of graphs and data about covid. Excellent. Edit to add: for Ontario Let’s see if I can link it here... His stuff is really good and I’m thankful he’s doing it. He’s been problematic in terms of being dismissive about the impacts of school closures on different socio economic and racial groups. Something keep in mind when reading his recommendations.
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Post by hangry on Jan 28, 2021 20:31:17 GMT -6
Does anyone follow @ryanimgrund on Twitter? He’s a biostatistician and has tons of graphs and data about covid. Excellent. Edit to add: for Ontario Let’s see if I can link it here... His stuff is really good and I’m thankful he’s doing it. He’s been problematic in terms of being dismissive about the impacts of school closures on different socio economic and racial groups. Something keep in mind when reading his recommendations. I have mostly followed him just for the numbers and haven’t followed much of the comments. So that’s a good reminder, thank you.
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Post by Tlex on Jan 28, 2021 20:34:10 GMT -6
His stuff is really good and I’m thankful he’s doing it. He’s been problematic in terms of being dismissive about the impacts of school closures on different socio economic and racial groups. Something keep in mind when reading his recommendations. I have mostly followed him just for the numbers and haven’t followed much of the comments. So that’s a good reminder, thank you. I definitely still rely on his numbers. I’d love to be choosier but when the government is actively hiding true numbers we’ll take what we can get 😩
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Post by babybean on Feb 3, 2021 16:23:08 GMT -6
How are folks from Ontario feeling about the back to school announcement?
DS is virtual this semester so nothing changes there. SS doesn’t go back until the 16th.
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Post by valiente on Feb 3, 2021 22:19:39 GMT -6
How are folks from Ontario feeling about the back to school announcement? Kinda relieved and kinda freaked out. I feel like I would have preferred to push it back a bit longer but *shruggy* we go back on the 8th.
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Post by Tlex on Feb 4, 2021 18:11:43 GMT -6
I’m worried about these new strains being so transmissible (even more so than regular COVID-19) but I can’t emphasize enough how much better my kids do when they’re in person. I’m more pissed than ever at Ford and Lecce. If they don’t spend that $6.2 billion of covid relief from the feds by end of month (or was it last month, fuck) it goes to their provincial deficit. Assholes. Make class sizes smaller!
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Post by valiente on Feb 4, 2021 19:21:42 GMT -6
I’m worried about these new strains being so transmissible (even more so than regular COVID-19) but I can’t emphasize enough how much better my kids do when they’re in person. 100% Covid got into our school but didn’t spread and that was reassuring to me but the new strains are a different beast. ... and mine too. It’s so bad. We’re all exhausted by the end of the day.
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Post by danib on Feb 10, 2021 12:33:39 GMT -6
Well Newfoundland had a good run. But the metro region and surrounding areas are in lockdown as of today due to community spread.
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Post by emma on Feb 10, 2021 13:10:08 GMT -6
is anyone else getting increasingly upset / frustrated / angry at the vaccine rollout?
I'm upset that i probably wont be vaccinated this year. Trudeau's September timeline is utter bullshit, AB hasn't even vaccinated 1% of the population yet and we're not getting any new shipments.
I'm also angry that Trudeau chose to invest money onto buying foreign made vaccines instead of supporting Canadian developed and made. And it's not that we didn't have anything viable, he just chose to go outside the country and now look where we are. On top of that it's disgusting that we're taking supplies from the Covax program.
Sorry, i needed to vent because i'm sad and angry and fed up of reading about others getting their vaccines when i know i'm going to be stuck inside this house not seeing my family until 2022. My niece started walking this week and we've never even met her.
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Post by cdnfroggy on Feb 10, 2021 15:39:37 GMT -6
is anyone else getting increasingly upset / frustrated / angry at the vaccine rollout? I'm upset that i probably wont be vaccinated this year. Trudeau's September timeline is utter bullshit, AB hasn't even vaccinated 1% of the population yet and we're not getting any new shipments. I'm also angry that Trudeau chose to invest money onto buying foreign made vaccines instead of supporting Canadian developed and made. And it's not that we didn't have anything viable, he just chose to go outside the country and now look where we are. On top of that it's disgusting that we're taking supplies from the Covax program. Sorry, i needed to vent because i'm sad and angry and fed up of reading about others getting their vaccines when i know i'm going to be stuck inside this house not seeing my family until 2022. My niece started walking this week and we've never even met her. I am also super upset about our vaccine rollout. I mostly agree with your point about Canadian made vaccines - but we haven't had the capabilities to mass produce our own since all the companies were sold off/left about 20 years ago under Conservative governments. I hope that the money they are now sinking into getting manufacturing up and running here will help and help with long term issues as well. Also - if AB is anything like we are in SK, a lot of blame lies with the provincial governments for not taking stricter measures until the vaccines arrive and actually caring about things other than the economy. *Also -I'm not coming for you at all, I just have lots of feelings about all of this and no where to vent them.
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Post by emma on Feb 10, 2021 19:12:55 GMT -6
is anyone else getting increasingly upset / frustrated / angry at the vaccine rollout? I'm upset that i probably wont be vaccinated this year. Trudeau's September timeline is utter bullshit, AB hasn't even vaccinated 1% of the population yet and we're not getting any new shipments. I'm also angry that Trudeau chose to invest money onto buying foreign made vaccines instead of supporting Canadian developed and made. And it's not that we didn't have anything viable, he just chose to go outside the country and now look where we are. On top of that it's disgusting that we're taking supplies from the Covax program. Sorry, i needed to vent because i'm sad and angry and fed up of reading about others getting their vaccines when i know i'm going to be stuck inside this house not seeing my family until 2022. My niece started walking this week and we've never even met her. I am also super upset about our vaccine rollout. I mostly agree with your point about Canadian made vaccines - but we haven't had the capabilities to mass produce our own since all the companies were sold off/left about 20 years ago under Conservative governments. I hope that the money they are now sinking into getting manufacturing up and running here will help and help with long term issues as well. Also - if AB is anything like we are in SK, a lot of blame lies with the provincial governments for not taking stricter measures until the vaccines arrive and actually caring about things other than the economy. *Also -I'm not coming for you at all, I just have lots of feelings about all of this and no where to vent them. i have plenty of anger for the provincial government too. But maybe we could have been ramping up production facilities and investing in Canadian research from the start. They just announced last week that QC will start manufacturing by the end of summer.
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Post by cdnfroggy on Feb 10, 2021 20:20:08 GMT -6
I am also super upset about our vaccine rollout. I mostly agree with your point about Canadian made vaccines - but we haven't had the capabilities to mass produce our own since all the companies were sold off/left about 20 years ago under Conservative governments. I hope that the money they are now sinking into getting manufacturing up and running here will help and help with long term issues as well. Also - if AB is anything like we are in SK, a lot of blame lies with the provincial governments for not taking stricter measures until the vaccines arrive and actually caring about things other than the economy. *Also -I'm not coming for you at all, I just have lots of feelings about all of this and no where to vent them. i have plenty of anger for the provincial government too. But maybe we could have been ramping up production facilities and investing in Canadian research from the start. They just announced last week that QC will start manufacturing by the end of summer. I fully agree!
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Post by euphony on Feb 11, 2021 6:40:24 GMT -6
Well Newfoundland had a good run. But the metro region and surrounding areas are in lockdown as of today due to community spread. I know people outside the Atlantic region will probably think it is not so bad, but NL's surge is scaring the crap out of me. I wonder if it is a variant, or if there just hasn't been enough test up until now.
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Post by danib on Feb 11, 2021 6:49:28 GMT -6
Well Newfoundland had a good run. But the metro region and surrounding areas are in lockdown as of today due to community spread. I know people outside the Atlantic region will probably think it is not so bad, but NL's surge is scaring the crap out of me. I wonder if it is a variant, or if there just hasn't been enough test up until now. They're sending away samples to test for the variant. But it's a combination of things. We've had it so good for so long that many people haven't been taking precautions. Yes we all wear our masks in public, but when you can have social gatherings of 20 people (informal, more allowed for gatherings run by businesses), kids are mingling in school, kids are doing team sports and competing in tournaments, everyone's eating at restaurants, going to the gym, etc, there still ends up being a LOT of close contacts. And everyone felt so safe to do that because of the travel ban, fantastic contact tracing, and people following quarantine when they did travel here for essential/work reasons. But all it takes/took was 1 asymptomatic person to break their quarantine and start spreading it around. And because we still don't know where the original spread occurred, we're playing catch-up on tracing. And once it hit the schools, that was it. Yesterday out of 53 confirmed positives, 44 were under the age of 20.
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Post by euphony on Feb 11, 2021 7:03:15 GMT -6
On top of that it's disgusting that we're taking supplies from the Covax program. Hardest of hard disagrees. This is how Covax was designed to work. Buy for your country and buy an equal share for countries that can't afford it. It is not a charity, it is a pooling of resources for everyone's benefit. You know who is also drawing from Covax and not getting backlash? New Zealand. You know who didn't donate anything to anyone and the world is just shrugging it off? The United States.
And the other G7 countries not drawing from Covax? It is because there is an option to instead give up your purchased shares and then rely solely on your domestic production. We are the only G7 country without domestic production. So Japan passes on the 20 million doses they bought for themselves through Covax knowing that they can domestically produce 90 million doses, which they then get to keep all to themselves. But Canada, with no manufacturing capabilities, is being told it is wrong to collect the shares we purchased? Bullshit. We are not taking vaccines from poorer countries. We are getting in line with the poorer countries to collect vaccine that we purchased for everybody's shared use. We are doing our best to help. We are the second biggest purchaser through Covax. But it is like we brought donuts for the office and are getting scolded for actually eating one.
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Post by emma on Feb 11, 2021 8:07:23 GMT -6
On top of that it's disgusting that we're taking supplies from the Covax program. Hardest of hard disagrees. This is how Covax was designed to work. Buy for your country and buy an equal share for countries that can't afford it. It is not a charity, it is a pooling of resources for everyone's benefit. You know who is also drawing from Covax and not getting backlash? New Zealand. You know who didn't donate anything to anyone and the world is just shrugging it off? The United States.
And the other G7 countries not drawing from Covax? It is because there is an option to instead give up your purchased shares and then rely solely on your domestic production. We are the only G7 country without domestic production. So Japan passes on the 20 million doses they bought for themselves through Covax knowing that they can domestically produce 90 million doses, which they then get to keep all to themselves. But Canada, with no manufacturing capabilities, is being told it is wrong to collect the shares we purchased? Bullshit. We are not taking vaccines from poorer countries. We are getting in line with the poorer countries to collect vaccine that we purchased for everybody's shared use. We are doing our best to help. We are the second biggest purchaser through Covax. But it is like we brought donuts for the office and are getting scolded for actually eating one.
the hope with Covax was always that wealthy nations would secure their supply elsewhere. Canada has ordered more than enough doses there should be no need to order from Covax, plus the shipment won’t come until summer so it does nothing to fix our current shortfall and will hurt others that have nowhere else to get vaccines from in the long term. To me it’s a case of just because you can doesn’t mean you should
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Post by euphony on Feb 11, 2021 12:38:43 GMT -6
Hardest of hard disagrees. This is how Covax was designed to work. Buy for your country and buy an equal share for countries that can't afford it. It is not a charity, it is a pooling of resources for everyone's benefit. You know who is also drawing from Covax and not getting backlash? New Zealand. You know who didn't donate anything to anyone and the world is just shrugging it off? The United States.
And the other G7 countries not drawing from Covax? It is because there is an option to instead give up your purchased shares and then rely solely on your domestic production. We are the only G7 country without domestic production. So Japan passes on the 20 million doses they bought for themselves through Covax knowing that they can domestically produce 90 million doses, which they then get to keep all to themselves. But Canada, with no manufacturing capabilities, is being told it is wrong to collect the shares we purchased? Bullshit. We are not taking vaccines from poorer countries. We are getting in line with the poorer countries to collect vaccine that we purchased for everybody's shared use. We are doing our best to help. We are the second biggest purchaser through Covax. But it is like we brought donuts for the office and are getting scolded for actually eating one.
the hope with Covax was always that wealthy nations would secure their supply elsewhere. Canada has ordered more than enough doses there should be no need to order from Covax, plus the shipment won’t come until summer so it does nothing to fix our current shortfall and will hurt others that have nowhere else to get vaccines from in the long term. To me it’s a case of just because you can doesn’t mean you should We would not have bought 440 million doses if we did not intend to draw on our portion. (Can you imagine the backlash Trudeau would face?) We would have donated much less. The media is painting this as if Canada is taking all of our portion first and making everyone else wait. We aren't. We contributed substantially to a pool so that everyone could draw on it.
I think people are too caught up in the optics and not in the math. Countries who treated the program as a charity are donating less than those that are treating it like a pool. Is it better to have more countries drawing on a larger pool or fewer drawing on a smaller pool? That is what it comes down to. If we donated 40M doses like Japan (who intended to rely on domestic manufacturing), would the poorer countries have been better or worse off? I don't see how contributing more and then taking our share of the pooled resource is shameful.
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Post by Notarobot on Feb 12, 2021 8:18:02 GMT -6
Every time I read the news about Trudeau I think about how little I would like that job. I do not think he (and his gov) is perfect by any means. But I worry that we get out of this pandemic and right into a conservative gov't at the next election simply because it's such a no win situation.
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Post by danib on Feb 12, 2021 19:49:29 GMT -6
euphony you called it, the B117 variant caused the outbreak in NL. Province is back on full lockdown.
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Post by euphony on Feb 13, 2021 9:56:32 GMT -6
euphony you called it, the B117 variant caused the outbreak in NL. Province is back on full lockdown. Damn... it seemed to be spreading too fast, so I guess that makes sense, but I am sorry to hear it as it will probably mean a longer lockdown. I really hope it can be tamped down quickly.
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Post by euphony on Feb 13, 2021 10:21:27 GMT -6
Every time I read the news about Trudeau I think about how little I would like that job. I do not think he (and his gov) is perfect by any means. But I worry that we get out of this pandemic and right into a conservative gov't at the next election simply because it's such a no win situation. That is how I feel, too. So much backlash, but I don't think for a minute that it would have been better under conservative rule. Provinces with conservative governments have really borne that out. Would the NDP have done better? Well, they've never actually been in charge, so I have my doubts that it would have gone well for them either. I think Trudeau has done fine for the hand he was dealt. There were few easy or obvious choices, despite how it may appear in hindsight.
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Post by Notarobot on Feb 13, 2021 10:24:44 GMT -6
euphony you called it, the B117 variant caused the outbreak in NL. Province is back on full lockdown. Wow. these variants are so scary. Ottawa is just about to reopen and I don't think it will last long once the new variants take hold. I'm just going to keep staying home anyway to see how it plays out.
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Post by Tlex on Mar 8, 2021 13:42:06 GMT -6
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Post by danib on Mar 8, 2021 17:54:19 GMT -6
Well after a month of strict lockdown, NL has things under control again. Daily new cases are 1-3, daily recoveries in the double digits most days, and no more community spread. But apparently we won't be easing restrictions yet. The CMO asked as many people as possible to voluntarily get tested, even if no symptoms and no known exposures (don't have to isolate in this case while waiting for results) so they can really rule out the possibility of any asymptomatic cases hiding in the population before letting us out again. So I went and got swabbed this morning. Annoying, but whatever, if it helps us open back up again I'd be foolish not to.
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Post by Tlex on Mar 8, 2021 20:00:30 GMT -6
Well after a month of strict lockdown, NL has things under control again. Daily new cases are 1-3, daily recoveries in the double digits most days, and no more community spread. But apparently we won't be easing restrictions yet. The CMO asked as many people as possible to voluntarily get tested, even if no symptoms and no known exposures (don't have to isolate in this case while waiting for results) so they can really rule out the possibility of any asymptomatic cases hiding in the population before letting us out again. So I went and got swabbed this morning. Annoying, but whatever, if it helps us open back up again I'd be foolish not to. Wow this sounds amazing though, like your province really has its shit together. How is the vaccine rollout going there?
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Post by danib on Mar 9, 2021 4:19:04 GMT -6
Well after a month of strict lockdown, NL has things under control again. Daily new cases are 1-3, daily recoveries in the double digits most days, and no more community spread. But apparently we won't be easing restrictions yet. The CMO asked as many people as possible to voluntarily get tested, even if no symptoms and no known exposures (don't have to isolate in this case while waiting for results) so they can really rule out the possibility of any asymptomatic cases hiding in the population before letting us out again. So I went and got swabbed this morning. Annoying, but whatever, if it helps us open back up again I'd be foolish not to. Wow this sounds amazing though, like your province really has its shit together. How is the vaccine rollout going there? Ahh it's ok. I feel like it's really slow going, but they definitely made the right priority groups I think. So far we have healthcare workers, congregate living for seniors, long term care homes, and related staff. Next phase starting April will include rotational workers (which is were like 90% of our cases originate from, with the exception of the very first cluster), first responders (police, EMT, etc)and then other high risk groups based on age/health. I won't be until Phase 3, which will be around July-September.
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Post by Notarobot on Mar 9, 2021 8:40:59 GMT -6
Thanks for checking in, Tlex. That article on misery index was pretty on the nose. I seem to remember you've got kids back in school now, hope that's going well and reducing some of the stress (though I know it adds in new ones as well) I've been really struggling lately without anything big happening to bring it on. Just feeling the grind of being separated from my friends and family, not travelling like I used to, plus a new job that's been a challenging transition. I've had to pull back from my partner a lot because I need so much time alone to keep my energy levels manageable. I've stopped checking my cities numbers because I feel like the new variants are just waiting in the wings so I'm staying inside anyway. In good news, my parents in Montreal got their first vaccine dose today so that feels like a big step in the right direction. Now if ON would figure out how to get their act together... danib glad to hear things are under control there again! I hope they can get a large percentage of the population swabbed and it helps keep things that way.
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