mathlete
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Post by mathlete on Jul 31, 2020 12:14:44 GMT -6
Minerva at the school I teach at we’re never able to prop open the library doors (it is a cut through between wings) because of fire code. But now they are able to be propped. 🤦♀️ Police giving shooter trainings will tell you to teach with you door locked in case of an emergency. Fire will tell you to keep it unlocked and closed. When asked which we should listen to, it was met with a "which event do you think is more likely to happen?" and unfortunately, we all know the answer to that.
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redbears
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Post by redbears on Jul 31, 2020 12:19:32 GMT -6
I wonder how schools are going to address fire/lockdown drills.
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richard
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Post by richard on Jul 31, 2020 12:23:25 GMT -6
I am with you. This is not okay. They’ve definitively shown they can’t effectively prevent COVID from spreading between players. 😞 I have been trying to watch as many games before it all goes away. I just don't think they are even trying to be as safe as they could be. Not everyone in masks in dugout, too close to each other, bumping elbows. I can't even imagine how it is off camera. I 100% agree with all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:13:23 GMT -6
The ventilation issue is why we were going to choose the virtual option anyway. You can sanitize surfaces all day but a roomful of humans breathing the same air for 6 hours is not safe.
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:22:16 GMT -6
They can have Wyoming. It has a lot os space right? No way Wyoming is beautiful. Put them all in like the desert or something. I have enough dickheads around I don't need any more
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Post by loony on Jul 31, 2020 13:22:28 GMT -6
Our district just announced their plan. 4 phases of K-12 reevaluated based on CA/Local numbers every 6 weeks (starting out virtual for 6 weeks), each phase has increasing cohorts from 2 days on-site and ultimately back on campus. Once there is on-campus school, you can opt in and out at will.
They also are opening a 100% virtual campus with a principal and separate staff. We are short an elementary school and have already run out of homeschool vouchers, so this fills a dual need. The only caveat is that if you chose this option, you lose the spot at your chosen elementary school (2/3 of ours are lottery only).
I think we are going to keep DD (1st grade) in the phased mostly virtual school. We really like her campus and because she goes there, DS will automatically get into K there without having to do the lottery. I haven't decided if we are going to do TK for DS or just skip and tot school until K next year.
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:24:12 GMT -6
Is mark Green trying to say that because Fauci took his mask off to take a drink at the game, that people don’t have to wear them in the heat because they could get heatstroke? I wore my mask driving around and going to the stores I had to go into yesterday. It was 118+ and I saw ONE person without a mask (hallelujah)
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:26:47 GMT -6
Canada is rolling out their contact tracing app as a test in Ontario starting today. Says it doesn't collect any personal data, but uses Bluetooth tracking of other phones in your area and then will notify you if someone in your vicinity is tested positive. It's going to need a critical mass of people using it and honesty about testing results but it's interesting. Though the comments on Twitter about it do not make me feel confident that people will use it. Lots of 'this is just big brother wanting your info' and 'don't buy the hoax' etc. ottawa.ctvnews.ca/federally-backed-covid-alert-app-now-available-in-ontario-1.5046667This is what the seriously data-privacy-paranoid Germans have done. We have hit the critical mass on downloads, but if depends on positive people putting their positive test into the app (where it has to be confirmed by authorities), then the notification goes out to everyone your phone has had bluetooth contact with in the last 2 weeks. So far they're having a very hard time saying whether it's working because the data protection on it is so strict and there have been so few cases. So, good and bad? Our cases are increasing again, though, so we should be able to see how effective it is soon. the fact your bluetooth has to be on all the time, is why this won't work so well, as lots of people turn off bluetooth to save battery, and to keep from being "hacked" of their data/virtual wallet stuffs
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:30:32 GMT -6
At the school board meeting, many teachers were concerned about HVAC systems in older schools. I think it has been recommended to open all windows if possible. There are businesses around here that have installed CASPR air quality systems. I imagine these are pricey things but I need to read more about it all. What about schools where not every room has a window, because that is legitimately a THING. And what about climates where opening a window isn't feasible, like when it's January and it's -10° outside? our classrooms have windows that do not open.
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elle
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Post by elle on Jul 31, 2020 13:31:40 GMT -6
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:31:57 GMT -6
At the school board meeting, many teachers were concerned about HVAC systems in older schools. I think it has been recommended to open all windows if possible. There are businesses around here that have installed CASPR air quality systems. I imagine these are pricey things but I need to read more about it all. ASHRAE (american society heating and air engineers) has been sending out articles as well. I should probably read them. I know there is a MERV-13 filter shortage apparently. So its not just the systems but how often filters are changed as well. they invented an ac filter that heats up to 150 degrees to kill the virus as it flows thru I'm thinking uh, the ac struggles to cool the house when it's 120 degrees outside, how is the ac going to then combat air going thru a filter at 150 degrees? maybe in the winter, eh?
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AmyG
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Post by AmyG on Jul 31, 2020 13:36:08 GMT -6
this is duh just cause if kids have the virus they shed the virus in exhale, pee/poop, nasal secretions kids do that sort of thing, spread their pee/poop/nasal secretions and cough/breathe on you it's what kids do.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 31, 2020 13:49:11 GMT -6
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elle
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Post by elle on Jul 31, 2020 13:51:42 GMT -6
They didn't study transmission rates, so it's possible kids have a higher viral load but still don't pass it on as readily. Unfortunately I would think that this might mean day care workers are probably most at risk given the level of contact they have with their charges.
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piratecat
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Post by piratecat on Jul 31, 2020 14:00:59 GMT -6
They didn't study transmission rates, so it's possible kids have a higher viral load but still don't pass it on as readily. Unfortunately I would think that this might mean day care workers are probably most at risk given the level of contact they have with their charges. Especially since the little kids aren't wearing masks at daycares. And they are not good at keeping germs to themselves.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 31, 2020 14:04:56 GMT -6
Minerva at the school I teach at we’re never able to prop open the library doors (it is a cut through between wings) because of fire code. But now they are able to be propped. 🤦♀️ Police giving shooter trainings will tell you to teach with you door locked in case of an emergency. Fire will tell you to keep it unlocked and closed. When asked which we should listen to, it was met with a "which event do you think is more likely to happen?" and unfortunately, we all know the answer to that. My classroom doors could be locked from the inside or outside but turning the door handle from the inside would automatically unlock it. Although my county is extra AF about fire safety. Nothing on the walls less than 12" from the ceiling. No hanging student art projects from the ceiling. Any fabric or carpet must be treated with flame retarding spray every quarter.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 31, 2020 14:07:05 GMT -6
This is really making me reconsider our decision to send N back to daycare on the 17th. Jesus.
(To be clear, I am grateful the info was posted. My frustration and concern is over the general lack of dealing with all this ::gestures wildly:: from the top down, of which this is just the latest piece.)
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Post by dc2london on Jul 31, 2020 14:08:06 GMT -6
What about schools where not every room has a window, because that is legitimately a THING. And what about climates where opening a window isn't feasible, like when it's January and it's -10° outside? At one of our neighborhood town halls, a teacher asked about opening windows and doors for ventilation and couldn’t get a clear answer. They are currently not allowed to open them for security reasons. 😞 That's new. Was not the case before. Although DS1 had first grade in one of those windowless classrooms and honestly, I was on edge the whole year.
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dc2london
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Post by dc2london on Jul 31, 2020 14:14:11 GMT -6
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byjove
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Post by byjove on Jul 31, 2020 14:22:03 GMT -6
I find this confusing since it hasn't been spreading like wildfire among kids in daycare.
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piratecat
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Post by piratecat on Jul 31, 2020 14:26:36 GMT -6
I find this confusing since it hasn't been spreading like wildfire among kids in daycare. This is true. Schools have been closed but most daycares here have been open since June and some never closed.
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athn64
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Post by athn64 on Jul 31, 2020 14:38:34 GMT -6
My dad's work partner may have covid. Fingers crossed it isn't and that my dad hasn't gotten it. They haven't worked a shift together in a week, but we all know it can have a 2 week incubation period.
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richard
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Post by richard on Jul 31, 2020 14:55:30 GMT -6
When you go to order curbside pickup and find out they closed the kitchen due to an employee testing positive.
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addymac
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Post by addymac on Jul 31, 2020 14:58:30 GMT -6
Well that article about kids is incredibly unsettling. Ugh. They didn’t monitor transmission rates, though. So that’s a glimmer of hope.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 31, 2020 15:01:47 GMT -6
ASHRAE (american society heating and air engineers) has been sending out articles as well. I should probably read them. I know there is a MERV-13 filter shortage apparently. So its not just the systems but how often filters are changed as well. they invented an ac filter that heats up to 150 degrees to kill the virus as it flows thru I'm thinking uh, the ac struggles to cool the house when it's 120 degrees outside, how is the ac going to then combat air going thru a filter at 150 degrees? maybe in the winter, eh? Reclaim the ambient heat created from the compressor or something I dunno. Nothing I do requires a stamp. Most filters we spec are merv8 here so I assume 13 is a tighter particle filter. I’ll ask Monday to the smart people
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elle
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Post by elle on Jul 31, 2020 15:03:55 GMT -6
This is really making me reconsider our decision to send N back to daycare on the 17th. Jesus. (To be clear, I am grateful the info was posted. My frustration and concern is over the general lack of dealing with all this ::gestures wildly:: from the top down, of which this is just the latest piece.) I'm sorry. I know it just adds to the confusion. I debated posting it at all since the study is small and doesn't include transmission rates, but I tend to fall on the side of better to have the information than not.
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elle
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Post by elle on Jul 31, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -6
I find this confusing since it hasn't been spreading like wildfire among kids in daycare. Disclaimer: clearly this is unknown and I'm just guessing here, but piecing together the information of kids having fewer receptors that covid binds to, even with a larger viral load when infected, I would guess they don't pass it between each other as easily. The risk then would be of the infected child passing it on to adults that interact closely with them. Again, it's nothing we know for sure but it would make sense given the pieces of information that have emerged about this virus.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 31, 2020 15:32:54 GMT -6
This is really making me reconsider our decision to send N back to daycare on the 17th. Jesus. (To be clear, I am grateful the info was posted. My frustration and concern is over the general lack of dealing with all this ::gestures wildly:: from the top down, of which this is just the latest piece.) I'm sorry. I know it just adds to the confusion. I debated posting it at all since the study is small and doesn't include transmission rates, but I tend to fall on the side of better to have the information than not. Oh it definitely needed to be posted. I just wish everything weren't such a hot mess. #2020tagline
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Post by daffodilsandcoffee on Jul 31, 2020 16:10:54 GMT -6
My COVID test came back negative so i had my surgery. My mom is still symptom free. My brother was pretty sick for awhile, but they all just got their negative results today and are released from quarantine as soon as their symptoms as all cleared.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 31, 2020 17:10:22 GMT -6
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