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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 13:41:18 GMT -6
I don’t like that. I’d be pretty mad if I was a NY voter.
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Post by summerbabe on Apr 27, 2020 13:50:41 GMT -6
I'm fine with NY voting by mail, I would like that all the time. I think it is a mistake to take Bernie off the ballot, even though Biden is the nominee. I think that you still need to hold the primary by mail. It's expensive, but I don't like skipping it. It's just going to end up turning off a lot of potential voters (outside of NY as well), who can then be like "the system is rigged," they didn't have a voice anyways, why bother, etc.
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Post by punker1212 on Apr 27, 2020 19:02:45 GMT -6
I know the hope was for Bernie to still take enough delegates To influence the platform.
This isn’t a good look. What is the rationale for removing one item from the ballot and not the rest?
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Post by dc2london on Apr 28, 2020 3:13:43 GMT -6
I know the hope was for Bernie to still take enough delegates To influence the platform. This isn’t a good look. What is the rationale for removing one item from the ballot and not the rest? I think that was a completely reasonable goal and I don't blame people for being upset. Especially with how long our primary calendar is, it gives voters in "later" states a feeling of some power in the process. I'm worried this will lead to chaos at the convention.
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Post by punker1212 on Apr 28, 2020 6:38:01 GMT -6
I know the hope was for Bernie to still take enough delegates To influence the platform. This isn’t a good look. What is the rationale for removing one item from the ballot and not the rest? I think that was a completely reasonable goal and I don't blame people for being upset. Especially with how long our primary calendar is, it gives voters in "later" states a feeling of some power in the process. I'm worried this will lead to chaos at the convention. Same girl. Same. Bad timing for this. Especially since the right is for sure going to say that if trump loses it was all rigged.
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Post by cakewench on Apr 28, 2020 11:34:56 GMT -6
Not a surprise now that we're down to one nominee, but Hillary is expected to endorse Joe today:
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 28, 2020 21:00:18 GMT -6
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Post by bunnyfungo on Apr 28, 2020 21:20:59 GMT -6
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Post by leahcar on Apr 29, 2020 5:15:47 GMT -6
Couldn’t Amash in the race be a good thing for Biden? There seems to be a decent amount of Republicans who dislike Trump, but refuse to vote for a Democrat. Maybe Amash siphons off just enough Trump voters to make a Biden win a little more certain?
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Post by punker1212 on Apr 29, 2020 5:16:14 GMT -6
I think this could be good? Take votes from trump perhaps? Of course it could give republican deflectors someone besides Biden to vote for,,,
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Post by KnightRyder on Apr 29, 2020 5:45:23 GMT -6
I think this could be good? Take votes from trump perhaps? Of course it could give republican deflectors someone besides Biden to vote for,,, It just seems to me to be too risky, not knowing which way those voters would go (not to mention his ego...) to be a good idea at this late date.
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Post by catspajamas on Apr 29, 2020 5:57:29 GMT -6
Idk. Dan Pfeiffer is on Twitter arguing that if Amash runs, he essentially hands the election to Trump...
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Post by cakewench on Apr 29, 2020 6:43:51 GMT -6
FWIW, I asked my H (who is super Republican), and he thinks Amash's run won't affect anything. The Republicans who want Trump out understand the vote has to be for Biden. Amash won't get any kind of major party support, since he's been shunned.
Personally, I think he runs the risk of picking up Bernie protest votes, but H thinks anyone who does that wasn't going to vote Biden anyway.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 29, 2020 7:20:21 GMT -6
I feel like Smash running gives cowardly Republicans an out to say they voted their principles without having to vote for a Democrat which 🙄
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Post by Dr. Cox on Apr 29, 2020 7:22:03 GMT -6
I feel like Smash running gives cowardly Republicans an out to say they voted their principles without having to vote for a Democrat which 🙄 Hi, I see you’ve met my parents. I’m pissed. My mom informed me they were going to begrudgingly vote for Biden. Now I know that’s not happening.
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Post by blurnette989 on Apr 29, 2020 7:38:49 GMT -6
I feel like Smash running gives cowardly Republicans an out to say they voted their principles without having to vote for a Democrat which 🙄 Amash is now and forever Smash.
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Post by roloma on Apr 29, 2020 7:40:57 GMT -6
I would be willing to bet Amash doesn't get much money and the campaign runs into the ground before it ever hits a ballot.
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Post by punker1212 on May 1, 2020 6:39:58 GMT -6
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Post by coconutbacon on May 1, 2020 6:52:45 GMT -6
Idk. Dan Pfeiffer is on Twitter arguing that if Amash runs, he essentially hands the election to Trump... I just listened to the PSA where they talked about it, and he makes a compelling argument. I hadn’t considered that a conservative challenger could actually help Trump. But especially looking at 2016, where many dems blame Jill Stein as a spoiler, Gary Johnson, the libertarian, actually got far more votes, and was certainly one (of many factors) that led to Trump’s win.
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Post by dc2london on May 1, 2020 7:04:15 GMT -6
I really don't understand why they waited this long to respond to this
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Post by jkjacq on May 1, 2020 7:12:54 GMT -6
I really don't understand why they waited this long to respond to this I have a problem with some of the SM i've seen this morning branding her a liar. It makes me very uncomfortable.
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Post by KnightRyder on May 1, 2020 7:14:56 GMT -6
I agree the lack of response until now is clumsy at best. I don’t know. Biden is far from my choice candidate. Regardless of her story I think it’s vital to believe women. I’ve seen doubt cast on her story already, and I don’t look forward to endless news cycles tearing her and/or him down. I guess ultimately, if I have to choose between a racist serial sexual predator (etc. etc.) and a candidate facing one accusation? I vote for what gets us out of this nightmare. And oh how I wish I had better choices. Maybe that’s unfair, I don’t know. I may not have the mental bandwidth to properly speak on this right now, I welcome your reflections.
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2020 7:15:50 GMT -6
I hate everything about this. Biden has done a lot for women over the years but he does have a history of taking things a step too far, it has always been more hair sniffing and shoulder massages but does that mean he's a clueless, old man flirt and this didn't happen or that this one time he couldn't hold himself back? And I really don't like Nancy's quote saying essentially "well, there's no record of it!" because we know that many survivors don't report their allegations, particularly when there's an imbalance of power. This is not new. And I know it's politics but come on, Nancy. That rhetoric is not helpful.
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Post by coconutbacon on May 1, 2020 7:43:39 GMT -6
I really don't understand why they waited this long to respond to this This. I’m glad they’ve finally responded, but the response itself seems so inadequate. I mean, ultimately, at least at this point, it’s impossible to know one way or the other if the allegations are true. I don’t know. I don’t see value in speculating or picking apart her story one way or the other. Biden also has a history of, at the very least, being too touchy feely with women and making them uncomfortable. He’s always been dismissive about that. Now would be the time to acknowledge that, apologize sincerely and, even if denying the assault, at least see how that behavior opened the door for a credible accusation.
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Post by cakewench on May 1, 2020 7:50:27 GMT -6
Admittedly, I have not been able to do much reading about the Biden allegation. I want to spend some time reading about it this weekend, when I hopefully have some actual time and energy to devote to it. I will say the following: dc2london is right, they took too long to respond. Also, I've been seeing a lot on Twitter that's been pissing me off, and I'm having trouble effectively expressing myself about it. Basically: - Insinuating this doesn't matter because Trump has more allegations is wrong - Saying this is disqualifying for Biden and saying nothing about Trump's accusations is wrong - Attacking the victim is wrong - Calling Democrats hypocrites for wanting an investigation on this when we just wanted Kavanaugh gone means they seriously missed the point on Kavanaugh - "Believe women" doesn't mean we automatically take 100% of her word as gospel truth and lock Biden up. It means we don't automatically dismiss her. It means we perform an investigation. Shine the light and see what's there. And if there is something there, deal with it like adults. We don't ignore it, shush her, drive her from her home with personal attacks, and hope it goes away. - starbuck is right, saying "there's no record" means jack because underreporting is the norm, not the exception. - Because it bears repeating: attacking any woman/victim for coming forward IS WRONG. And please do not mistake me, I am not saying I don't believe her or don't care. I just literally have not had the mental bandwidth to give this the focus it deserves.
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Post by cakewench on May 1, 2020 7:54:21 GMT -6
Also completely un-realated to anything, starbuck I am loving the new avatar.
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2020 7:59:14 GMT -6
Also completely un-realated to anything, starbuck I am loving the new avatar. Thank you!
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Post by punker1212 on May 1, 2020 12:28:02 GMT -6
Yes, I do believe that a Biden presidency is still leaps and bounds beyond where we are. But OH MY GOSH YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME? Her accusations are very credible in my perspective. And I find fault in the response of Democrats who so easily dismiss them.
I guess this epitomizes lesser of two evils voting?
Maybe a Hail Mary at the convention is the best I can hope for. This will be an incredibly difficult upset for Biden to pull off at this point. And frankly, when Donald trump is standing up for you, that’s not a good look.
😭 whyyyyyyy
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2020 12:59:24 GMT -6
I feel like an asshole because I want to support all women touched by assault but I also have to be pragmatic about this election.
I don't want to give him a pass, and I don't want to hand things to Trump because holy shit at everything happening in the world and within our own country right now.
Everything Sucks. 2020 motto.
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Post by dc2london on May 1, 2020 13:12:54 GMT -6
Yes, I do believe that a Biden presidency is still leaps and bounds beyond where we are. But OH MY GOSH YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME? Her accusations are very credible in my perspective. And I find fault in the response of Democrats who so easily dismiss them. I guess this epitomizes lesser of two evils voting? Maybe a Hail Mary at the convention is the best I can hope for. This will be an incredibly difficult upset for Biden to pull off at this point. And frankly, when Donald trump is standing up for you, that’s not a good look. 😭 whyyyyyyy Isn't Biden currently trouncing Trump in all the polls? How is that a huge upset?
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