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Post by jaygee on Feb 11, 2020 14:28:43 GMT -6
While I'm not about to speak favorably to Pete's record with black voters, I assume he is referencing a phenomenon from 2008 , that is less about black voters falling in line and perhaps more about black voters supporting who they think can win--and not trusting white voters. "Senior campaign officials have repeatedly told donors — and Mr. Buttigieg echoes the pitch on the stump speaking to voters — that in the immediate aftermath of Barack Obama’s surprise Iowa caucus victory in 2008, he gathered newfound black support and a gusher of donations. The Obama campaign raised nearly as much money immediately after Iowa as it did in the preceding year." www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-iowa-caucus.htmlOk. But that is a very nuanced phenomena. Obama got a lift in 2008 because his win in Iowa allowed Black voters to see that white voters would actually cast votes for a Black candidate. They were already supporting Obama but didn’t trust that white voters would even make his candidacy viable. That’s not the same as saying Black voters need to see who can win based on what white voters do. If Black voters don’t support a candidate to begin with I don’t think they are going to move in mass to support him once some white voters narrowly crown him the “winner”. I see where he’s getting his idea from but I think the logic is flawed.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 15:00:10 GMT -6
While I'm not about to speak favorably to Pete's record with black voters, I assume he is referencing a phenomenon from 2008 , that is less about black voters falling in line and perhaps more about black voters supporting who they think can win--and not trusting white voters. "Senior campaign officials have repeatedly told donors — and Mr. Buttigieg echoes the pitch on the stump speaking to voters — that in the immediate aftermath of Barack Obama’s surprise Iowa caucus victory in 2008, he gathered newfound black support and a gusher of donations. The Obama campaign raised nearly as much money immediately after Iowa as it did in the preceding year." www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-iowa-caucus.htmlOk. But that is a very nuanced phenomena. Obama got a lift in 2008 because his win in Iowa allowed Black voters to see that white voters would actually cast votes for a Black candidate. They were already supporting Obama but didn’t trust that white voters would even make his candidacy viable. That’s not the same as saying Black voters need to see who can win based on what white voters do. If Black voters don’t support a candidate to begin with I don’t think they are going to move in mass to support him once some white voters narrowly crown him the “winner”. I see where he’s getting his idea from but I think the logic is flawed. I agree with you
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 15:00:49 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 11, 2020 15:06:01 GMT -6
Just gonna leave this here...
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 11, 2020 15:09:27 GMT -6
Well they should start paying us.
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Post by elle on Feb 11, 2020 15:22:45 GMT -6
Just gonna leave this here... Oh.my.god. The fremdschämen is too much.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 15:24:02 GMT -6
Well they should start paying us. I feel like I deserve a live blogging gig at the Wonkette by this point 😝
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Post by claudia on Feb 11, 2020 15:25:06 GMT -6
"Pete may become the first candidate to ever poll in the negative with black voters" has me laughing.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 11, 2020 16:52:49 GMT -6
Ok. But that is a very nuanced phenomena. Obama got a lift in 2008 because his win in Iowa allowed Black voters to see that white voters would actually cast votes for a Black candidate. They were already supporting Obama but didn’t trust that white voters would even make his candidacy viable. That’s not the same as saying Black voters need to see who can win based on what white voters do. If Black voters don’t support a candidate to begin with I don’t think they are going to move in mass to support him once some white voters narrowly crown him the “winner”. I see where he’s getting his idea from but I think the logic is flawed. I agree with you Sorry. I’m like massively sleep deprived and my reading comprehension was not good.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 17:17:30 GMT -6
Sorry. I’m like massively sleep deprived and my reading comprehension was not good. Oh honey no there was no tone or anything. I agree with you that it's a flawed reading of what took place in 2008, I just thought the tweet wasn't the most accurate framing of what he said.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 11, 2020 17:25:23 GMT -6
Hopefully this works cuz its funny
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Post by RajahMD on Feb 11, 2020 18:17:51 GMT -6
Well they should start paying us. I feel like I deserve a live blogging gig at the Wonkette by this point 😝 Would read. Daily.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 19:08:07 GMT -6
HOLY HELL
YANG OUT
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 11, 2020 19:09:43 GMT -6
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Post by starbuck on Feb 11, 2020 19:11:16 GMT -6
If only all candidates coughTULSIcough knew when it was time to throw in the towel.
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Post by notblanche on Feb 11, 2020 19:16:50 GMT -6
I am surprised to see Yang go but I can appreciate someone who knows when to leave the party.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 11, 2020 19:18:14 GMT -6
I am surprised to see Yang go but I can appreciate someone who knows when to leave the party. For real. I need him to come give a TED Talk to my family.
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Post by elle on Feb 11, 2020 19:28:46 GMT -6
I am surprised to see Yang go but I can appreciate someone who knows when to leave the party. For real. I need him to come give a TED Talk to my family. 🤣
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Post by punker1212 on Feb 11, 2020 19:29:17 GMT -6
This makes me more sad than I expected.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 11, 2020 19:40:16 GMT -6
Bennet is out too
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Post by cnf on Feb 11, 2020 19:40:46 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Feb 11, 2020 19:42:01 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 11, 2020 19:43:10 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN She’s gonna stick to the bitter end and then 3rd party it
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Post by starbuck on Feb 11, 2020 19:44:44 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN She’s gonna stick to the bitter end and then 3rd party it Boooooooo 👎👎👎
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Post by JukEboX on Feb 11, 2020 19:48:06 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN She’s gonna stick to the bitter end and then 3rd party it Then I hope she steals Republican votes with her craziness.
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Post by claudia on Feb 11, 2020 21:43:25 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN GABBARD BLOOMBERG 2020!!!
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Post by ladybrienne on Feb 12, 2020 8:42:19 GMT -6
It saddens me that Yang is out and Cruella De Vil is still hanging around.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 12, 2020 8:42:36 GMT -6
ALL EYES ON YOU CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD JUST SAYIN DID YOU KNOW SHE WAS IN THE MILITARY? Sorry, I think snark is all I have left. I'd like to know why she was dressed like an astronaut last night
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Post by cnf on Feb 12, 2020 9:33:12 GMT -6
DID YOU KNOW SHE WAS IN THE MILITARY? Sorry, I think snark is all I have left. I'd like to know why she was dressed like an astronaut last night Maybe she's joining Space Force.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 12, 2020 9:35:54 GMT -6
I'd like to know why she was dressed like an astronaut last night Maybe she's joining Space Force. I just spit out my coffee
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