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Post by summerbabe on Nov 6, 2019 13:42:41 GMT -6
And I'm not on team, President Obama was a saint. But keep his name out of your mouth if you're going to talk about him in the same sentence as DT, it's not the same ballpark/sport/universe.
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Post by summerbabe on Nov 6, 2019 13:48:26 GMT -6
Haha @icedtea, the politics board is basically my therapist's office.
(He should apologize to you though, but glad he did that at least!)
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 6, 2019 13:49:10 GMT -6
I feel you @icedtea , this is slightly different, I have a coworker that was pretty hardcore Bernie (I think he voted dem in the last election at the end), but last week he was like, "I mean if you think about it though, Obama and Trump are basically the same." I was like stopppppp. He brought up detention centers, drones, them both kind of being 'celebrities' at this point, pro business and the only thing that he would agree with me on about the outcomes being different (which-- why was I even arguing, this shit is absurd) about it going for DT vs. Clinton was that his admin has stacked the courts with unqualified judges who will f the judiciary. I tried three other arguments before that, but I feel like it's almost trolling sometimes and people want to argue for fun or are in denial about how bad things are. I think we have the same co-worker. It definitely feels like trolling.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 13:49:26 GMT -6
summerbabe , ugh that is enraging. He apparently apologized after I left the chat and then messaged my husband separately to apologize. Why him and not me? Trying to give the benefit of the doubt that he knew I wouldn't want to talk to him. Anyway. This is not my therapist office, but thank y'all for letting me vent. It totally is. You don't have to apologize for getting that out.
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 13:54:44 GMT -6
I like this in theory, but as a former teacher I’m very wary of how the volunteering to work the additional hours would work. One reason I left was because of everything I was expected to do in addition to my actual job, seeing no monetary benefit, and having it be presented to the community as volunteering by the staff because we “loved the school so much.” For the annual fundraiser I quickly learned that teachers were expected to donate. I also learned that if we didn’t, someone would do so in our names, so that the school could brag about its staff participation rate. All this to say- I understand how this could be really helpful for many, many families, but teachers are already treated pretty poorly (IMO) and this could cause more problems, from new expectations/voluntolding to new hires getting paid the same amount to do more work, simply because the districts can do it. Totally valid concern. Since Kamala has focused a lot on teachers in her campaign, I'm operating under the assumption that her legislative staff (or Kamala herself) reached out to educators and superintendents for feedback on her proposals. I mean really it would have been malpractice for her LD NOT to have done that, even if the Senator herself didn't initiate it. Have any unions come out in favor of this - if they have been approached before this announcement? I'm looking at you, CTU that just finished a very long strike. How about the janitorial unions - I'm assume their days will also be extended - well past 6:00 pm? What if enough teachers don't sign up for shifts? And will the unions/administrators go for all these days where their professional developments days happen when kids are in school? Geez, all the contract negotiations discussing prep days and prep hours. Are we assuming all the kids will stay til 6:00 - which seems to mean all the faculty also have to be around to maintain ratios?' Don't get me wrong - I'm pretty old school and think that the school year and school is too short in many respects, and that a longer, more demanding curricula is something to be worked toward. I just kind of think this is another splashy proposal that will not go anywhere.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 6, 2019 13:56:40 GMT -6
I don't know why I can't get the photos to load without being blurry (They look fine on my phone.), but it was truly hateful, fear-mongering bullshit. I'm so pissed. The front of the envelope was labeled the "2020 National Illegal Alien Election Impact Survey."
I opened it up and there was this huge disclaimer that they were non-partisan, but all the questions were about how I felt about the "leftist liberals" not following the laws and letting tens of thousands of "illegals" steal elections.
Assholes.
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Post by lemondrop on Nov 6, 2019 13:59:34 GMT -6
summerbabe , ugh that is enraging. He apparently apologized after I left the chat and then messaged my husband separately to apologize. Why him and not me? Trying to give the benefit of the doubt that he knew I wouldn't want to talk to him. Anyway. This is not my therapist office, but thank y'all for letting me vent. It totally is. You don't have to apologize for getting that out. Seriously, I have word vomit all over HIH on like, a weekly basis. Vent away, my friends!
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Post by enchanted on Nov 6, 2019 14:01:21 GMT -6
It totally is. You don't have to apologize for getting that out. Seriously, I have word vomit all over HIH on like, a weekly basis. Vent away, my friends!So much this to the bolded. I know I can vent here so that when I have to confront shit in real life, I can be calmer about it.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 14:13:41 GMT -6
I like this in theory, but as a former teacher I’m very wary of how the volunteering to work the additional hours would work. One reason I left was because of everything I was expected to do in addition to my actual job, seeing no monetary benefit, and having it be presented to the community as volunteering by the staff because we “loved the school so much.” For the annual fundraiser I quickly learned that teachers were expected to donate. I also learned that if we didn’t, someone would do so in our names, so that the school could brag about its staff participation rate. All this to say- I understand how this could be really helpful for many, many families, but teachers are already treated pretty poorly (IMO) and this could cause more problems, from new expectations/voluntolding to new hires getting paid the same amount to do more work, simply because the districts can do it. You might be interested in Kamala’s teacher pay raise policy proposal as I think it’s important to look at her education policies in conjunction with each other. kamalaharris.org/issue/raising-teacher-pay/
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:19:41 GMT -6
Totally valid concern. Since Kamala has focused a lot on teachers in her campaign, I'm operating under the assumption that her legislative staff (or Kamala herself) reached out to educators and superintendents for feedback on her proposals. I mean really it would have been malpractice for her LD NOT to have done that, even if the Senator herself didn't initiate it. Have any unions come out in favor of this - if they have been approached before this announcement? I'm looking at you, CTU that just finished a very long strike. How about the janitorial unions - I'm assume their days will also be extended - well past 6:00 pm? What if enough teachers don't sign up for shifts? And will the unions/administrators go for all these days where their professional developments days happen when kids are in school? Geez, all the contract negotiations discussing prep days and prep hours. Are we assuming all the kids will stay til 6:00 - which seems to mean all the faculty also have to be around to maintain ratios?' Don't get me wrong - I'm pretty old school and think that the school year and school is too short in many respects, and that a longer, more demanding curricula is something to be worked toward. I just kind of think this is another splashy proposal that will not go anywhere. Did you read the article? Everything you asked about is addressed in the article. AFT supports the bill. There's reasonable concern about coerced voluntolding, but one thing Harris consistently strives to address as Senator and presidential hopeful is improving schools for everyone--the staff who make them work, the students and the communities that they serve. You have to approach education holistically and that's something she has been right about her entire career. As far as professional development days happening with kids in the schools, that's already happening. Almost every public school here has childcare (with insanely competitive wait lists and that is still ridiculously expensive) so during non school days, there are still kids all over the building.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:20:49 GMT -6
Also the entire legislative process is designed to ask those kinds of questions and to work out the kinks before a bill becomes law. Patty Murray isn't going to report a bill out of committee that hasn't addressed top line questions like those.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 14:23:25 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program.
“ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.”
Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers:
”Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.”
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 14:27:04 GMT -6
I would just say from the 10 minutes I spent on twitter today there are a lot of bad faith headlines and takes on this one. It’s ok if you don’t support it, but do your own critical thinking. The yang gang and Bernie bro’s are out in force about how we should all be working less and not more and Kamala is stifling that. Well, yeah, I’ve got a school aged child now, so I am not going to wait until 20 years from now when I’m working 32 hours a week. I have to have him at school from 7:30-5:30 5 days a week and it costs a lot for that.
Also I was a latch key kid growing up so I know exactly who this impacts.
ETA: not to mention that I like working full time (I’ve done both) so...
Also I’m really really lucky that I have access to on site care for my child from 7-6:30 and don’t have to worry about where he is. I can afford it but it is expensive and there is not room for every child. Everyone should have what I have access to.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:28:13 GMT -6
Talking of Kamala's relationship with unions:
BREAKING! UCLA will no longer Host the December Democratic Debate due to AFSCME 3299 (union) dispute, DNC pulled it from UCLA.
Kamala backed out of delivering the commencement address at UC Berkeley last year, in solidarity with the workers btw.
Good move by the DNC. #Khive
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 14:29:03 GMT -6
The articles I read were pretty vague on a lot of details and I’m more interested in local unions weighing in. And yes I agree. I suspect a lot of this will never make it past committee.
I was also interested in those private partnerships to attain, what was it, 10% funding. But it’s definitely a proposal that will get some press.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:31:16 GMT -6
I would just say from the 10 minutes I spent on twitter today there are a lot of bad faith headlines and takes on this one. It’s ok if you don’t support it, but do your own critical thinking. The yang gang and Bernie bro’s are our in force about how we should all be working less and not more and Kamala is stifling that. Well, yeah, I’ve got a school aged child now, so I am not going to wait until 20 years from now when I’m working 32 hours a week. I have to have him at school from 7:30-5:30 5 days a week and it costs a lot for that. Also I was a latch key kid growing up so I know exactly who this impacts. A lot of arguments about policy, especially on things like gun violence, come down to, "If we can't completely 100% solve the entire problem with one bill then why bother with that one bill?" It SHOULD be easier for parents to work and to parent. We SHOULD reduce hours, improve pay, expand access to quality, affordable childcare, make it easier for parents to stay home with their sick kids. Nobody should have to work two or three jobs to make ends meet. But I don't understand why the need for those things negates working on other problems that we can also address? Unlike Trump, some leaders can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 14:32:46 GMT -6
Btw I don’t Twitter. I do read newspapers though.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:32:57 GMT -6
The articles I read were pretty vague on a lot of details and I’m more interested in local unions weighing in. And yes I agree. I suspect a lot of this will never make it past committee. I was also interested in those private partnerships to attain, what was it, 10% funding. But it’s definitely a proposal that will get some press. It's never going to get a vote in Mitch McConnell's Senate. But again, I don't understand why that means Senators shouldn't try to do their jobs despite Mitch. Propose the bill, start the conversation, build public support for the best version or or facets of the program.
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Post by callmekd on Nov 6, 2019 14:33:23 GMT -6
fatpony - we must be in the same city, as I would be surprised if there is more then one city that had such a heated vote on garbage collection.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 14:34:49 GMT -6
I'm just thinking about all the kids around here who want to take ballet or play baseball or go to Coding Dojo but can't bc their parents can't afford it and/or can't get them to the lessons bc of work and commuting. I've taught those kids.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 14:38:14 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program. “ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.” Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers: ” Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.” The Boys & Girls club my kid goes to is on an elementary school property. The other one close to my house is in a portable on another school property. They have use of outside play area, but their own building/teen center and gym. They also bus to a few different elementary and middle schools. So a cooperation between the two is definitely doable. Before B&G moved to town, YMCA used to have before/after care at different schools as well. So community partnering with schools DOES work.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 14:43:04 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program. “ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.” Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers: ” Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.” The Boys & Girls club my kid goes to is on an elementary school property. The other one close to my house is in a portable on another school property. They have use of outside play area, but their own building/teen center and gym. They also bus to a few different commentaries and middle schools. So a cooperation between the two is definitely doable. Before B&G moved to town, YMCA used to have before/after care at different schools as well. So community partnering with schools DOES work. Yes. It is really ideal if organizations like this can operate on the school campus. I was faced with possibly having to do an after care situation off campus and the stress of having my kindergartener walk or take transportation 20-30 minutes away from the school that is walking distance to our house and my train stop was daunting. And I have a car for pick up, which a lot of parents don’t have. Also, my city has optional park and rec enrichment classes held on campus after school. But they cost. It would be great if those were incorporated in.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 14:43:53 GMT -6
I'm just thinking about all the kids around here who want to take ballet or play baseball or go to Coding Dojo but can't bc their parents can't afford it and/or can't get them to the lessons bc of work and commuting. I've taught those kids. I know B&G has offered a six week ballet classes, volleyball, Bball and they have a STEM lab. Plus homework help. Just imagine what could be expanded if they didnt have to rely on donations to do all that. I'm ALL in on figuring out a way for school aged kids to have access to all that without a parent having to leave work early or the kid misses out.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 14:47:27 GMT -6
In case you've forgotten (I did) Turkeys President Erogdan is still visiting the White House next Wednesday.
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 14:48:25 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program. “ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.” Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers: ” Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.” The Boys & Girls club my kid goes to is on an elementary school property. The other one close to my house is in a portable on another school property. They have use of outside play area, but their own building/teen center and gym. They also bus to a few different elementary and middle schools. So a cooperation between the two is definitely doable. Before B&G moved to town, YMCA used to have before/after care at different schools as well. So community partnering with schools DOES work. Boys & girls clubs, etc were my first thought this afternoon. I first thought the idea would be to increase that availability but the whole faculty involvement threw me off That said I’d like to see the test schools scattered all over the country, in large and small cities and towns, rural areas and suburbs.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 14:49:13 GMT -6
When my son was in K he got out at 2. He had a staff member from after care pick him and his classmates up at their door and walk them across the black top to the after care building. Then from 3-4 he had parks and rec Spanish class and they would take him to the room and pick him up and take him back to after care. Do you know how much that calmed my anxiety as a working mom who is 45 minutes away in traffic? He was safe, learning, fed, and enriched. It was truly a blessing.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 14:57:26 GMT -6
When my son was in K he got out at 2. He had a staff member from after care pick him and his classmates up at their door and walk them across the black top to the after care building. Then from 3-4 he had parks and rec Spanish class and they would take him to the room and pick him up and take him back to after care. Do you know how much that calmed my anxiety as a working mom who is 45 minutes away in traffic? He was safe, learning, fed, and enriched. It was truly a blessing. C rides a bus to and from the club. Its a member bus so only kids that attend are on the bus. ITS GREAT. Plus its 90/month for before/after care. If she only went after school it would be 25 for the entire school year plus the 10 pick up fee. I can't remember what I paid for summer care. And that includes early release/no school days. they get breakfast, 'snack' which is like dinner and once a month families are invited to a family night dinner after 6. Staff is trained and they are all fantastic people who like working with kids.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 14:59:12 GMT -6
I'm obviously a huge fan of Boys & Girls Clubs of America. I can't say enough good things about them and if you ever are looking for a cause to donate to they are a great one.
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Post by teatime on Nov 6, 2019 14:59:56 GMT -6
I would just say from the 10 minutes I spent on twitter today there are a lot of bad faith headlines and takes on this one. It’s ok if you don’t support it, but do your own critical thinking. The yang gang and Bernie bro’s are out in force about how we should all be working less and not more and Kamala is stifling that. Well, yeah, I’ve got a school aged child now, so I am not going to wait until 20 years from now when I’m working 32 hours a week. I have to have him at school from 7:30-5:30 5 days a week and it costs a lot for that. Also I was a latch key kid growing up so I know exactly who this impacts. ETA: not to mention that I like working full time (I’ve done both) so... Also I’m really really lucky that I have access to on site care for my child from 7-6:30 and don’t have to worry about where he is. I can afford it but it is expensive and there is not room for every child. Everyone should have what I have access to. I haven’t been to twitter yet. I said before I totally understand how this would help tons of families. I’m only expressing wariness about implementation and what could be put onto teachers based on personal experiences. Anecdotes, fine, but my experiences were similar to many in the field. I don’t think expressing that indicates a lack of critical thinking.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 6, 2019 15:01:32 GMT -6
Christ yes finally thank you
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