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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 15:02:23 GMT -6
I would just say from the 10 minutes I spent on twitter today there are a lot of bad faith headlines and takes on this one. It’s ok if you don’t support it, but do your own critical thinking. The yang gang and Bernie bro’s are out in force about how we should all be working less and not more and Kamala is stifling that. Well, yeah, I’ve got a school aged child now, so I am not going to wait until 20 years from now when I’m working 32 hours a week. I have to have him at school from 7:30-5:30 5 days a week and it costs a lot for that. Also I was a latch key kid growing up so I know exactly who this impacts. ETA: not to mention that I like working full time (I’ve done both) so... Also I’m really really lucky that I have access to on site care for my child from 7-6:30 and don’t have to worry about where he is. I can afford it but it is expensive and there is not room for every child. Everyone should have what I have access to. I haven’t been to twitter yet. I said before I totally understand how this would help tons of families. I’m only expressing wariness about implementation and what could be put onto teachers based on personal experiences. Anecdotes, fine, but my experiences were similar to many in the field. I don’t think expressing that indicates a lack of critical thinking. That’s literally the definition of your own critical thinking, so you’re good.
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Post by athn64 on Nov 6, 2019 15:06:25 GMT -6
fatpony - we must be in the same city, as I would be surprised if there is more then one city that had such a heated vote on garbage collection. You'd be surprised. My town is still pissed about some crap the city council pulled 2 years ago in regards to our garbage.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 15:09:17 GMT -6
teatime I had the same immediate questions after reading the headline. I had it pretty darn good at my school but mine was not the experience of many many teachers
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 15:13:37 GMT -6
Oh wow A federal judge on Wednesday voided the Trump administration’s “conscience rule” that would have allowed health-care providers to refuse to participate in abortions, sterilizations or other types of care they disagree with on religious or moral grounds. U.S. District Judge Paul Engelmayer in Manhattan declared the so-called “conscience rule” unconstitutional in a 147-page decision stemming from a lawsuit brought by New York and nearly two dozen other mostly Democratic states and municipalities. The rule had been set to go into effect later this month. wapo.st/2PUkz2o
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 6, 2019 15:15:19 GMT -6
I like this in theory, but as a former teacher I’m very wary of how the volunteering to work the additional hours would work. One reason I left was because of everything I was expected to do in addition to my actual job, seeing no monetary benefit, and having it be presented to the community as volunteering by the staff because we “loved the school so much.” For the annual fundraiser I quickly learned that teachers were expected to donate. I also learned that if we didn’t, someone would do so in our names, so that the school could brag about its staff participation rate. All this to say- I understand how this could be really helpful for many, many families, but teachers are already treated pretty poorly (IMO) and this could cause more problems, from new expectations/voluntolding to new hires getting paid the same amount to do more work, simply because the districts can do it. The article gives the impression (to me at least) that the 3-5 pm block is expected to be filled with something other than typical teacher classroom time. There's $5 million in funding over 5 years to develop curriculum adjacent programming that allows all students to ge supervised until 5 pm. So, I'm thinking of something akin to an afterschool program, but with more structure, available to all students, and free to parents. Not necessarily taught/managed by classroom teachers.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 15:19:32 GMT -6
In case you've forgotten (I did) Turkeys President Erogdan is still visiting the White House next Wednesday.
This is really something. I...don’t know what to expect.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 15:24:32 GMT -6
In case you've forgotten (I did) Turkeys President Erogdan is still visiting the White House next Wednesday.
This is really something. I...don’t know what to expect. Its also the same day Bill Taylor is publicly testifying.
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Post by teatime on Nov 6, 2019 15:35:15 GMT -6
I like this in theory, but as a former teacher I’m very wary of how the volunteering to work the additional hours would work. One reason I left was because of everything I was expected to do in addition to my actual job, seeing no monetary benefit, and having it be presented to the community as volunteering by the staff because we “loved the school so much.” For the annual fundraiser I quickly learned that teachers were expected to donate. I also learned that if we didn’t, someone would do so in our names, so that the school could brag about its staff participation rate. All this to say- I understand how this could be really helpful for many, many families, but teachers are already treated pretty poorly (IMO) and this could cause more problems, from new expectations/voluntolding to new hires getting paid the same amount to do more work, simply because the districts can do it. The article gives the impression (to me at least) that the 3-5 pm block is expected to be filled with something other than typical teacher classroom time. There's $5 million in funding over 5 years to develop curriculum adjacent programming that allows all students to ge supervised until 5 pm. So, I'm thinking of something akin to an afterschool program, but with more structure, available to all students, and free to parents. Not necessarily taught/managed by classroom teachers. Yea I read that, and I think that could be really great for kids as far as extracurricular experiences. But again I was coming from the place of being told I was volunteering to coach sports I had never even played. I recognize I have my own issues when it comes to this and just want teachers treated fairly.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 6, 2019 15:38:09 GMT -6
The article gives the impression (to me at least) that the 3-5 pm block is expected to be filled with something other than typical teacher classroom time. There's $5 million in funding over 5 years to develop curriculum adjacent programming that allows all students to ge supervised until 5 pm. So, I'm thinking of something akin to an afterschool program, but with more structure, available to all students, and free to parents. Not necessarily taught/managed by classroom teachers. Yea I read that, and I think that could be really great for kids as far as extracurricular experiences. But again I was coming from the place of being told I was volunteering to coach sports I had never even played. I recognize I have my own issues when it comes to this and just want teachers treated fairly. I hear you. The last thing I want to do is extract more labor out of public school teachers without fully compensating for their tremendous time, skills, and effort.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 15:42:48 GMT -6
Christ yes finally thank you Can't wait to see how many Yang gangers who are sure this is a deeply flawed plan actually read the bill
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 15:42:48 GMT -6
Christ yes finally thank you Can't wait to see how many Yang gangers who are sure this is a deeply flawed plan actually read the bill
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 15:48:19 GMT -6
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Post by byjove on Nov 6, 2019 15:56:38 GMT -6
Have any unions come out in favor of this - if they have been approached before this announcement? I'm looking at you, CTU that just finished a very long strike. How about the janitorial unions - I'm assume their days will also be extended - well past 6:00 pm? What if enough teachers don't sign up for shifts? And will the unions/administrators go for all these days where their professional developments days happen when kids are in school? Geez, all the contract negotiations discussing prep days and prep hours. Are we assuming all the kids will stay til 6:00 - which seems to mean all the faculty also have to be around to maintain ratios?' Don't get me wrong - I'm pretty old school and think that the school year and school is too short in many respects, and that a longer, more demanding curricula is something to be worked toward. I just kind of think this is another splashy proposal that will not go anywhere. Did you read the article? Everything you asked about is addressed in the article. AFT supports the bill. There's reasonable concern about coerced voluntolding, but one thing Harris consistently strives to address as Senator and presidential hopeful is improving schools for everyone--the staff who make them work, the students and the communities that they serve. You have to approach education holistically and that's something she has been right about her entire career. As far as professional development days happening with kids in the schools, that's already happening. Almost every public school here has childcare (with insanely competitive wait lists and that is still ridiculously expensive) so during non school days, there are still kids all over the building. Our city’s aftercare program is cutthroat to get a spot. It’s so affordable and there aren’t enough spots for need (to which I say, let’s fix that!!) and it’s very high quality. Separate from teaching staff.
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 6, 2019 16:03:28 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program. “ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.” Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers: ”Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.” This seems similar to the www1.nyc.gov/site/dycd/services/after-school/comprehensive-after-school-system-of-new-york-city-compass.page COMPASS program in NYC, which I am a huge fan of. I’m hoping DD can get a spot in it next year. I’d love to eventually see it expanded to all students who want it.
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Post by fatpony on Nov 6, 2019 16:09:31 GMT -6
fatpony - we must be in the same city, as I would be surprised if there is more then one city that had such a heated vote on garbage collection.
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 16:21:16 GMT -6
To really go onto the dark side, I wonder if it would be better to segregate any after-school/school day closures care completely from the teachers/administrators - e.g., developing very robust, accredited care systems, maybe using school buildings, but apart from the administrator/union matrix.
Saying that due to just coming off 11-day CTU strike and multiple strikes nationally. I'd hate to see alternate care tied too closely to very possible labor disputes. And, yes, as currently described, this seems to lean very heavily on teachers. Otherwise we're not even talking about paying for their additional shifts.
That said, wouldn't it be terrific for all schools in all communities to once again have time, and money, to offer art, music, 'home ec', drama, engineering, technology, health and exercise, classes in just about everything - all the courses so many schools, in all areas, have had challenges offering just due to money issues. And for schools where the student populations may not be achieving grade level academic goals, well, more instructional time can't really go amiss, can it?
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Post by greykitty on Nov 6, 2019 16:24:54 GMT -6
I don't think I've seen it discussed here, but CPD superintendent Eddie Johnson is retiring - seems we just don't know the date. To be fair, he's had health issues in the last year, and it's an extremely challenging job. I feel for Mayor Lightfoot - just came off the CTU strike, and now finding a new superintendent in a search that no doubt will be nationally watched.
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Post by athn64 on Nov 6, 2019 16:34:52 GMT -6
There was a student who threatened to kill some of his classmates at our local high school. Thankfully he told a friend who reported him.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 16:40:37 GMT -6
The article gives the impression (to me at least) that the 3-5 pm block is expected to be filled with something other than typical teacher classroom time. There's $5 million in funding over 5 years to develop curriculum adjacent programming that allows all students to ge supervised until 5 pm. So, I'm thinking of something akin to an afterschool program, but with more structure, available to all students, and free to parents. Not necessarily taught/managed by classroom teachers. Yea I read that, and I think that could be really great for kids as far as extracurricular experiences. But again I was coming from the place of being told I was volunteering to coach sports I had never even played. I recognize I have my own issues when it comes to this and just want teachers treated fairly. With any bill, it's imperative to discuss the effects with stakeholders. That's why the committees of jurisdiction hold hearings on major legislation--to hear from subject matter experts and stakeholders, and other relevant testimony to inform their markup suggestions and, ultimately, their votes. You're absolutely right to ask how this will affect teachers and the reason I brought up Patty Murray earlier is bc she was a teacher and would definitely get teachers and probably Randi Weingarten (the AFT President) in front of her committee to ask all of these very good questions .
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 16:44:36 GMT -6
I would just say from the 10 minutes I spent on twitter today there are a lot of bad faith headlines and takes on this one. It’s ok if you don’t support it, but do your own critical thinking. The yang gang and Bernie bro’s are out in force about how we should all be working less and not more and Kamala is stifling that. Well, yeah, I’ve got a school aged child now, so I am not going to wait until 20 years from now when I’m working 32 hours a week. I have to have him at school from 7:30-5:30 5 days a week and it costs a lot for that. Also I was a latch key kid growing up so I know exactly who this impacts. ETA: not to mention that I like working full time (I’ve done both) so... Also I’m really really lucky that I have access to on site care for my child from 7-6:30 and don’t have to worry about where he is. I can afford it but it is expensive and there is not room for every child. Everyone should have what I have access to. Also, the 32 hour work week won't solve the problem of winter and spring breaks
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Post by summerbabe on Nov 6, 2019 16:45:16 GMT -6
In regards to this proposal I think it’s important to recognize that it is for a pilot program. It is to test a methodology and approach. Teacher retention is specifically called out as a metric to evaluate the performance of the program. “ Her plan: A pilot program that gives money to 500 schools that serve a high proportion of low-income families to develop a school schedule that better matches the work schedule. Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.” Additionally, it isn’t designed to have all the responsibility fall on the school and teachers: ”Schools are encouraged to use the funding to collaborate with community partners to develop “high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, or enrichment opportunities for students.” The directive is purposefully vague: Schools are to spend the first year surveying parents, teachers, and community members to determine what sort of extended school day would work best for their particular school population. “What’s exciting about this is that it’s an innovation bill,” Brown explains of Harris’ design. “We don’t have the solutions yet, but they’re going to come from local communities that know what works best for their parents and students.” This seems similar to the www1.nyc.gov/site/dycd/services/after-school/comprehensive-after-school-system-of-new-york-city-compass.page COMPASS program in NYC, which I am a huge fan of. I’m hoping DD can get a spot in it next year. I’d love to eventually see it expanded to all students who want it. How have I not heard of this? Amazing. My son is in kindergarten, and I just finally switched him over to school lunch 2 weeks ago. NYC can be kind of ridiculous sometimes, but having free breakfast/lunch for all the kids, and the 3k/4k etc programs have been really great lately.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 6, 2019 16:51:11 GMT -6
There was a student who threatened to kill some of his classmates at our local high school. Thankfully he told a friend who reported him. Oh my goodness, thank god that kid told an adult
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Post by elle on Nov 6, 2019 17:01:23 GMT -6
My kids are playing a game that involves shoving throw pillows up the backs of their shirts, flopping onto their backs, flailing their arms and legs, and asking for help because they're stuck turtles. My son's turtle name is Mitch. I think the blame for that lies on me. I'm not even sorry. 😂
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Post by elle on Nov 6, 2019 17:08:38 GMT -6
I keep bursting out laughing every time it gets used. My husband is like "It was funny the first time. Now it's just a name." No. No it's not. It's perfection. What is he talking about? It will never not be funny!
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Post by jaygee on Nov 6, 2019 17:09:29 GMT -6
I laughed.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 6, 2019 17:13:01 GMT -6
I keep bursting out laughing every time it gets used. My husband is like "It was funny the first time. Now it's just a name." No. No it's not. It's perfection. What is he talking about? It will never not be funny! Right?
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Post by elle on Nov 6, 2019 17:25:39 GMT -6
I'm really enjoying reading everyone's responses to the bs take published by Vice. And yes, the author of said piece is a white man.
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Post by elle on Nov 6, 2019 17:28:01 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 6, 2019 17:33:19 GMT -6
My kids are playing a game that involves shoving throw pillows up the backs of their shirts, flopping onto their backs, flailing their arms and legs, and asking for help because they're stuck turtles. My son's turtle name is Mitch. I think the blame for that lies on me. I'm not even sorry. I’m gonna need photographic proof of this adorableness. PM will work 😂
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Nov 6, 2019 17:35:37 GMT -6
Talking of Kamala's relationship with unions: BREAKING! UCLA will no longer Host the December Democratic Debate due to AFSCME 3299 (union) dispute, DNC pulled it from UCLA. Kamala backed out of delivering the commencement address at UC Berkeley last year, in solidarity with the workers btw. Good move by the DNC. #Khive Hmmmm, I was half toying with the idea of trying to go to the debate if I could get tickets. I’m guessing it won’t still be in LA?
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