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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -6
Wasn’t there an interview Harry gave where he said he wanted Kate to have privacy and such while pregnant/raising kids? From before George was born, I think. I’m remembering Harry wearing military gear. Yes. He was talking about the shitty press being shitty it was great 😂
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 10:16:30 GMT -6
I still think this will die down in time. She won’t be new anymore and hate for her will generate less clicks. The next big event will happen and the tide will turn in her/their favor.
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Post by kmkd on Oct 21, 2019 10:21:09 GMT -6
I think the other thing that has me like a blinking white guy is the idea to speak to the press about the press twisting your words and trashing you and your family in an effort to get them to stop doing that. I can see why the BRF has decided to be very Serenity Prayer about the whole thing and protect the family with a wall of silence - and instead show support and unity through their actions (Wimbledon, birthday posts, joint outings) Yeah I just can’t imagine how speaking to the press would actually make things better.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 21, 2019 10:30:18 GMT -6
I still think this will die down in time. She won’t be new anymore and hate for her will generate less clicks. The next big event will happen and the tide will turn in her/their favor. Unless our suspicions are proving correct and some one from the inside is either offering stories or money (or bad advice to The Sussexes) to keep it going to cover up for Andrew. Then this is very convenient.
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Post by Ls2012 on Oct 21, 2019 10:32:10 GMT -6
I think the other thing that has me like a blinking white guy is the idea to speak to the press about the press twisting your words and trashing you and your family in an effort to get them to stop doing that. I can see why the BRF has decided to be very Serenity Prayer about the whole thing and protect the family with a wall of silence - and instead show support and unity through their actions (Wimbledon, birthday posts, joint outings) Yeah I just can’t imagine how speaking to the press would actually make things better. For real, it's like feeding squirrels.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 10:34:43 GMT -6
Yeah I just can’t imagine how speaking to the press would actually make things better. For real, it's like feeding squirrels. But if Harry actually feels as if there is a security threat which maybe he is a overprotective husband and father or maybe there is something we don't know then I don't think he cares
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Post by bloom on Oct 21, 2019 10:39:02 GMT -6
There are so many things in play here, but it is showcasing yet again the monarchy's obstinate death grip on tradition and appearances over supporting their family and doing the right thing. NAGL. ETA They are taught the monarchy comes before even family. Which is a choice that may allow the monarchy to survive, but at a cost. THIS We know they’re human beings. Just act like it! It’s ok to stick up for your DIL or SIL when she’s being attacked by a racist press who clearly wants to “put her in her place.” We’ll actually like you more if you show us your humanity. yeah! and, I mean, wouldn't it be great PR/example for say, W&K to show that support publicly as mental health advocates? when you peel back those layers, it just seems disingenuous and hypocritical.
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Post by Ls2012 on Oct 21, 2019 10:39:03 GMT -6
For real, it's like feeding squirrels. But if Harry actually feels as if there is a security threat which maybe he is a overprotective husband and father or maybe there is something we don't know then I don't think he cares I agree. There has to be something going on behind the scenes that makes this move make more sense. Part of the problem with that is that without the ultimate clarity, the press is just going to go freaking nuts with speculation and, I think, make it worse. And maybe that's the point? That the prove their shittiness for him? Idk. It really is a damned if you do/ damned if you don't situation.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 10:44:52 GMT -6
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Post by Cheshie6 on Oct 21, 2019 10:47:19 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it To me personally, there's a huge difference between calling someone fat and lazy, the other woman, Duchess of Pork, etc. and using a photo of a monkey leaving a hospital and saying it's the new royal family. If this was just about those things, I'd be with you! But it is more than that! "Never Explain, Never Complain" is fine and good when there are rumors of infidelity, in fighting, drama, being called Lazy, difficult, or fat. The only way to dispel them is to work harder, lose weight, and keep showing the best you have to offer. But anything racist should be addressed head on by the Firm because they don't just have a WOC in their family, they have POC in their country and their common wealths. What if the message from the figurehead Top down is that racism is not a thing we will tolerate here in the Royal family or UK. I don't expect them to come to her defense with every supposed protocol misstep or rumor about fighting with the ILs, but to me racism is a whole other can of worms. sonder, I don't think Madeleine is officially a working royal anymore. She still has her responsibilities like the York sisters, and I believe should be in attendance for Jubilee like events and other events but otherwise her family isn't working royals especially now that the heir and spare of covered by the crown princess. I could be wrong, but I think with her being 7th in line to the throne, she's clear to do what she wants.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 10:48:21 GMT -6
BTW we are going to see a ton of royalty over the next 48 hours for the Emperor of Japan’s Enthronement Ceremony. I believe Charles & Camila will be there for the BRF.
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Post by maybe on Oct 21, 2019 10:49:30 GMT -6
My take--Harry has a PTSD about this behavior and they both have less to lose in speaking out so they are doing it. William could never complain about it. Plus, I think him acknowledging a strain with his brother is Harry putting them on notice that he will blow up everything to protect his family. Meghan has an army of women in the States who are now even bigger fans of hers and that will come in handy at some point I am sure.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 10:51:43 GMT -6
This is a story that the media has been floating for a month or more and is being reiterated again since the documentary. There’s always “a palace source” for every story.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 10:52:09 GMT -6
My take--Harry has a PTSD about this behavior and they both have less to lose in speaking out so they are doing it. William could never complain about it. Plus, I think him acknowledging a strain with his brother is Harry putting them on notice that he will blow up everything to protect his family. Meghan has an army of women in the States who are now even bigger fans of hers and that will come in handy at some point I am sure. I agree. That is the whole they are on different paths right now but still love each other
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 10:53:57 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it To me personally, there's a huge difference between calling someone fat and lazy, the other woman, Duchess of Pork, etc. and using a photo of a monkey leaving a hospital and saying it's the new royal family. If this was just about those things, I'd be with you! But it is more than that! "Never Explain, Never Complain" is fine and good when there are rumors of infidelity, in fighting, drama, being called Lazy, difficult, or fat. The only way to dispel them is to work harder, lose weight, and keep showing the best you have to offer. But anything racist should be addressed head on by the Firm because they don't just have a WOC in their family, they have POC in their country and their common wealths. What if the message from the figurehead Top down is that racism is not a thing we will tolerate here in the Royal family or UK. I don't expect them to come to her defense with every supposed protocol misstep or rumor about fighting with the ILs, but to me racism is a whole other can of worms. sonder , I don't think Madeleine is officially a working royal anymore. She still has her responsibilities like the York sisters, and I believe should be in attendance for Jubilee like events and other events but otherwise her family isn't working royals especially now that the heir and spare of covered by the crown princess. I could be wrong, but I think with her being 7th in line to the throne, she's clear to do what she wants. this is what I have been trying to say, but again I have been told (in real life not here although I feel it is implied some) that I always bring race into things. It is something I have to do with a Bi-racial daughter and a POC for a SO. I can pick up on things that many others would have no idea about. plus I mean the photo of the monkey is straight up obvious.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 10:54:39 GMT -6
This is a story that the media has been floating for a month or more and is being reiterated again since the documentary. There’s always “a palace source” for every story. This is the first I've seen this, but I don't 100% believe it isn't a palace source. I am not saying the BRF but someone who works there.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 10:57:34 GMT -6
The Duchess of Cornwall looked stylish in tweed on Sunday afternoon as she watched her horse take first place, during one of the races at the Kempton Park Racecourse in Sunbury. Camilla, 72, arrived at the race course on wrapped up in a autumnal tweed coat, and looked delighted after her horse Pacify won the Matchbook Betting Exchange race.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 11:00:29 GMT -6
This is a story that the media has been floating for a month or more and is being reiterated again since the documentary. There’s always “a palace source” for every story. This is the first I've seen this, but I don't 100% believe it isn't a palace source. I am not saying the BRF but someone who works there. There’s a lot of dumb “palace source” noise I don’t bring here because a lot of it is a non story.
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 21, 2019 11:02:16 GMT -6
maybe, Robin Roberts was already being supportive of Megan this morning on GMA. She has plenty of allies. Agreed.
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 11:08:17 GMT -6
Would you? I don't think she said she hated it or feel it came off as that. She is saying everything against the media which have been horrible. From a PR perspective, I think it would’ve played better had she included something like, “I’m so grateful for the opportunity to bring visibility to the causes that are important to us,” “to meet incredible people like XYZ,” etc. Maybe she did and that’s part of the full interview. As it stands, I think it plays into the narrative that she and Harry are self-absorbed. There is a common thread in some of the critical articles in the UK press about this that doing the documentary there and focusing it on their personal issues took away from the visibility for the South African causes they were there to promote. I do think they’re pretty damned whatever they do. Another example, there was some criticism in the press recently of Harry for telling a personal story about his mental health during an event for a children’s hospital (or something?) and “making it about himself.” From a human perspective, I don’t blame her. Not saying I agree with any of it, just talking PR strategy. PR strategy doesn't matter when you're dealing with the press being as unfair as they are being to her in particular. She mentions personal issues and she's making it about herself. They don't and it's cold and a canned speech. She's up and working and it's "she's too difficult for her staff because she sends emails at 5 a.m." She takes a step back from working and she isn't pulling her weight on the taxpayers' dime. No matter what she does or how she does it, the racist tabloids will spin it how they want to.
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Post by ripper on Oct 21, 2019 11:08:22 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it Uh, I believe Harry did support Kate and WIll when they were first married and Will was complaining about the press constantly following Kate everywhere. I absolutely recall this and I'm looking for the articles... And also, I really don't understand how anyone can compare the two situations. Topless photos? Systemic and outright racism? When Harry and Meg take a private jet AS ALL THE ROYALS DO and the media can only focus on this as opposed to say, Prince Andrew knee-deep in a scandal centering around sex trafficking and the rape and assault of children? You cannot tell me that the scrutiny H&M are under are anything in comparison to waity katy and some nipples and being work shy. I am annoyed.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -6
PR strategy doesn't matter when you're dealing with the press being as unfair as they are being to her in particular. She mentions personal issues and she's making it about herself. They don't and it's cold and a canned speech. She's up and working and it's "she's too difficult for her staff because she sends emails at 5 a.m." She takes a step back from working and she isn't pulling her weight on the taxpayers' dime. No matter what she does or how she does it, the racist tabloids will spin it how they want to. Fair points. I don’t disagree with any of that. I guess I’ve just been thinking out loud about what might help them best.
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Post by ripper on Oct 21, 2019 11:13:07 GMT -6
Also, Wills could have said something, either publicly to the media or privately to his stodgy courtiers, to fuck off w.r.t targeting H&W. He did not and we can speculate a thousand ways as to why. However, when someone reported that Kate uses botox, they issues a statement immediately denying it.
So, you know. It certainly appears that they are in some ways benefiting from the criticism on H&M.
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Post by armpants on Oct 21, 2019 11:13:27 GMT -6
I think H & M are also thinking to the future with everything they're doing. I wouldn't expect any of the protocol to change under the Queen, protecting that piece of shit Andrew among other things. But maybe they can make some headway so that Charles and Will can see that a change of protocol is necessary.
I also echo the statement that it's so important to speak up due to the racist nature of comments. I also feel like a statement coming from Will defending Meghan would carry more weight than a comment from Harry defending Kate would have since he's the future king.
Also, just because someone didn't speak up before doesn't mean it was right then either.
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Post by maybe on Oct 21, 2019 11:13:40 GMT -6
I have a suspicion that Meghan was a bit naive on some race things or has been able to live above it and this situation is making it super real for her. I base that on her lack of black friends primarily (Serena seems to have appeared as a latecomer) and lack of connections to black social institutions like sororities, etc.
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Post by kmkd on Oct 21, 2019 11:22:10 GMT -6
I have a suspicion that Meghan was a bit naive on some race things or has been able to live above it and this situation is making it super real for her. I base that on her lack of black friends primarily (Serena seems to have appeared as a latecomer) and lack of connections to black social institutions like sororities, etc. This is an interesting point and you’re probably right.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 11:26:06 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it Uh, I believe Harry did support Kate and WIll when they were first married and Will was complaining about the press constantly following Kate everywhere. I absolutely recall this and I'm looking for the articles... And also, I really don't understand how anyone can compare the two situations. Topless photos? Systemic and outright racism? When Harry and Meg take a private jet AS ALL THE ROYALS DO and the media can only focus on this as opposed to say, Prince Andrew knee-deep in a scandal centering around sex trafficking and the rape and assault of children? You cannot tell me that the scrutiny H&M are under are anything in comparison to waity katy and some nipples and being work shy. I am annoyed. They are not equal situations for sure, but it’s the only example of a family member getting beaten up by the press and what everyone did about it that we have. There’s no precedent for having a person of color in the family so the next comparison we can look to is the sexism of the press. It’s absolutely not the same, but it’s all we have to go on to speculate what’s going on behind the scenes.
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Post by gagarin on Oct 21, 2019 11:32:23 GMT -6
I have a suspicion that Meghan was a bit naive on some race things or has been able to live above it and this situation is making it super real for her. I base that on her lack of black friends primarily (Serena seems to have appeared as a latecomer) and lack of connections to black social institutions like sororities, etc. I agree and think it’s part of the press “putting her in her place.”
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 11:34:19 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it Uh, I believe Harry did support Kate and WIll when they were first married and Will was complaining about the press constantly following Kate everywhere. I absolutely recall this and I'm looking for the articles... And also, I really don't understand how anyone can compare the two situations. Topless photos? Systemic and outright racism? When Harry and Meg take a private jet AS ALL THE ROYALS DO and the media can only focus on this as opposed to say, Prince Andrew knee-deep in a scandal centering around sex trafficking and the rape and assault of children? You cannot tell me that the scrutiny H&M are under are anything in comparison to waity katy and some nipples and being work shy. I am annoyed. Agreed - also, the topless photos (which Will and Kate sued and won over) really crossed the line, but those photos were never even published in England. Why? Because the royal family has the power to control the press in England to some degree. Obviously they were available online and England doesn't have a China-style censorship program of the internet, but only foreign sources picked up the actual footage. Even when the rumors were of Will's affair, he was able to shut down the press. He's also fought and won to not allow pictures taken of the kids on non-official outings published. Others they've chosen not to fight on, so yes, there are pictures out there. The Queen publicly showed her support for Andrew this summer after the pedo stuff. KP released a statement denying that Kate got botox. So no, I don't think the Royal Family is showing them the same support they show others or we would see public displays or at least not have sources leak that people are mad at them for the lawsuit, etc.
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 11:35:56 GMT -6
I know that in this thread in general there has been a very “adorable grandma” vibe when talking about QEII. But tbh, I am not that impressed by her. Sure longest monarch blah blah but she could do so much more to be progressive and change the way things are done. She won’t, she protects a pedophile child and sort of endorses blatant racism toward her granddaughter-in-law as a distraction from her pedophile son. I’m not saying I’m going to be HAPPY when she dies, but Idk. She’s far past her prime and while I don’t know that Charles is going to be some instigator of change, I think the younger generation at least better has his ear.
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