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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 8:37:15 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? Heโs not #new but heโs acting it This exactly. Everyone saying they should be defending Meghan is acting like anyone stands up for anyone else in that family. When topless pictures of Kate were plastered everywhere I donโt think Charles, the Queen, or Harry said a peep. Itโs not how they do it. Will and Kate put out a statement and took legal action and off they went.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 8:40:23 GMT -6
Meghan on how she deals with being beaten down by lies, smears and criticism day after day:
โItโs really hard to understand what itโs like. I know what it seems like it should be, but itโs a very different thing. I have said for a long time to H, thatโs what I call him, โItโs not enough to just survive something. Thatโs not the point of life. You have got to thrive. You have got to feel happy.โ I really tried to adopt this British sensibility of a โstiff upper lip.โ I really tried, but I think that what that does internally is probably really damaging. I never thought that this would be easy, but I thought it would be fair.
If things were fair โฆ If Iโd done something wrong, Iโd be the first one to go โOh my gosh, Iโm so sorry. I would never do that.โ But when people are saying things that are just untrue and they are being told theyโre untrue but theyโre allowed to still say them โ I donโt know anybody in the world who would feel like thatโs okay. Thatโs different from just scrutiny. Thatโsโฆ. what would you call that? Itโs a really different beast, you know.โ
People Magazine
Hmm yeah I get the sense they are getting ready and laying the ground work for a major change.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 8:40:57 GMT -6
โWell they should stand up for her!โ
I agree! But they donโt. I wonder if it will change when William is king but we wonโt see it with the Queen, and I doubt we will see it with Charles.
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Post by donnameagle on Oct 21, 2019 8:41:26 GMT -6
You have to give it to Meghan, sheโs really made the other royals step up their insta game. I love this video summary of the Cambridgeโs tour http://instagr.am/p/B32BlN5lyIW I see this as Kate rubbing it in Rose's nose that she is going to be the mother effing queen and here are a couple of grand reminders. But that is the petty in me showing and likely not at all what is happening. LOL.
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Post by pinkcat on Oct 21, 2019 8:46:14 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? Heโs not #new but heโs acting it This exactly. Everyone saying they should be defending Meghan is acting like anyone stands up for anyone else in that family. When topless pictures of Kate were plastered everywhere I donโt think Charles, the Queen, or Harry said a peep. Itโs not how they do it. Will and Kate put out a statement and took legal action and off they went. I agree with this. And I also think that when watching Harry's interview there really doesn't seem to be the big "rift" that the media is making it out to be. The comments that Harry and Megan seem so obviously upset with Will based on what he said have me scratching my head, because my takeaway from that interview was that Harry really tried to say the opposite. It did not read at all to me like Harry and Meghan are trying to "get back" at Will and Kate at all.
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Post by Leaf ๐ฑ on Oct 21, 2019 8:50:51 GMT -6
Would you?ย I don't think she said she hated it or feel it came off as that. She is saying everything against the media which have been horrible. From a PR perspective, I think it wouldโve played better had she included something like, โIโm so grateful for the opportunity to bring visibility to the causes that are important to us,โ โto meet incredible people like XYZ,โ etc. Maybe she did and thatโs part of the full interview. As it stands, I think it plays into the narrative that she and Harry are self-absorbed. There is a common thread in some of the critical articles in the UK press about this that doing the documentary there and focusing it on their personal issues took away from the visibility for the South African causes they were there to promote. I do think theyโre pretty damned whatever they do. Another example, there was some criticism in the press recently of Harry for telling a personal story about his mental health during an event for a childrenโs hospital (or something?) and โmaking it about himself.โ From a human perspective, I donโt blame her. Not saying I agree with any of it, just talking PR strategy. I think thatโs really important to keep in mind - what we see is all PR strategy. Maybe Harry wanted to vocally support Kate but Wills asked him not to. Maybe Harry has been able to repress all his feelings about this until it was his son and his wife suffering and he didnโt want to or didnโt feel the need to address the abuse by the press. They canโt โwinโ against the press so I donโt blame them for doing whatever they need to do for sanityโs sake and the safety of their son.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 8:50:55 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? Heโs not #new but heโs acting it This exactly. Everyone saying they should be defending Meghan is acting like anyone stands up for anyone else in that family. When topless pictures of Kate were plastered everywhere I donโt think Charles, the Queen, or Harry said a peep. Itโs not how they do it. Will and Kate put out a statement and took legal action and off they went. I guess the difference is, the rumors about Meghan involved the Cambridges and other royals from the first ~ That there was a feud between the couples over her, she and Kate didnโt get along, she made Kate cry, she was pushy about a tiara (that one would be on BP to debunk), she was high handed with Kateโs staff, she was a diva in general and on and on. They could have nipped a lot of this in the bud by putting out a statement saying none of this is true, Meghan is lovely, theyโre happy she joined the family etc. I feel like that is what most people would do for a close family members wife in this situation regardless of how they may have privately felt about her. But by stating quiet they unfortunately allowed it to grow. Iโm saying this as a big fan of Kate btw. I just think it was a mistake in their part not to publicly support and defend her. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by emma on Oct 21, 2019 8:53:08 GMT -6
When has the tabloid press ever been fair?๐ come on Meghan, again youโre not #new to press
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 8:56:42 GMT -6
I want this shit to blow Andrew the fuck up
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Post by djs on Oct 21, 2019 9:02:26 GMT -6
I want this shit to blow Andrew the fuck up a true unity horse.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 9:04:19 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 9:04:31 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I will say I don't care if they speak up. I understand that things are done differently. I do think there is a difference between racist comments and being called lazy but I digress on all that because I know it is not seen by many and I can't explain it good.
I do think if she is saying that people don't ask if she is ok that is telling. Fine you don't want to back me in public because that isn't the thing fine, but I guarantee that if they had the support of the family behind the scenes they would not be doing this.
Also I know this is a strange concept, but maybe it isn't even about the BRF maybe it is about the press and only the press.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 9:07:59 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I will say I don't care if they speak up. I understand that things are done differently. I do think there is a difference between racist comments and being called lazy but I digress on all that because I know it is not seen by many and I can't explain it good. I do think if she is saying that people don't ask if she is ok that is telling. Fine you don't want to back me in public because that isn't the thing fine, but I guarantee that if they had the support of the family behind the scenes they would not be doing this. Also I know this is a strange concept, but maybe it isn't even about the BRF maybe it is about the press and only the press. Mmm I think it is partly about the RF because giving this kind of tell all interview isnโt the โdoneโ thing. I think for them itโs like airing your dirty laundry. Itโs showing the chinks in the facade of idealized perfection. Itโs also telling that they didnโt consult any of the powers at be before doing this. Like Meghan says, theyโd prefer for her to keep a stiff upper lip. And sheโs like, yeah no. Thatโs not healthy, Iโm not doing that anymore.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 9:10:16 GMT -6
There are so many things in play here, but it is showcasing yet again the monarchy's obstinate death grip on tradition and appearances over supporting their family and doing the right thing. NAGL. ETA They are taught the monarchy comes before even family. Which is a choice that may allow the monarchy to survive, but at a cost. THIS We know theyโre human beings. Just act like it! Itโs ok to stick up for your DIL or SIL when sheโs being attacked by a racist press who clearly wants to โput her in her place.โ Weโll actually like you more if you show us your humanity.
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Post by betches on Oct 21, 2019 9:13:32 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I will say I don't care if they speak up. I understand that things are done differently. I do think there is a difference between racist comments and being called lazy but I digress on all that because I know it is not seen by many and I can't explain it good. I do think if she is saying that people don't ask if she is ok that is telling. Fine you don't want to back me in public because that isn't the thing fine, but I guarantee that if they had the support of the family behind the scenes they would not be doing this. Also I know this is a strange concept, but maybe it isn't even about the BRF maybe it is about the press and only the press. This is my assumption as well. I thought the nobody asks if Iโm ok thing meant more the press when they expect her to show up and smile and look pretty. And W&K did speak out after Harry released his first letter when they were dating backing the relationship and offering support. I also this Kate bringing Meghan to Wimbledon ladies day is their version of solidarity. I just donโt see Harry making a point of saying everything was fine with him and Will of this was all suppose to be a thinly veiled attack on the fam
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Post by pinkcat on Oct 21, 2019 9:16:28 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I will say I don't care if they speak up. I understand that things are done differently. I do think there is a difference between racist comments and being called lazy but I digress on all that because I know it is not seen by many and I can't explain it good. I do think if she is saying that people don't ask if she is ok that is telling. Fine you don't want to back me in public because that isn't the thing fine, but I guarantee that if they had the support of the family behind the scenes they would not be doing this. Also I know this is a strange concept, but maybe it isn't even about the BRF maybe it is about the press and only the press. I do see what you're saying and agree with most of it, I just don't think that because Harry and Meghan are speaking out about the press means that there is definitely some rift or lack of support from Will and Kate. I don't think it is a guarantee. Even with Will and Kate's full support, how awful the media has been to them would still be extremely difficult, so I don't think that her being upset in that interview and saying "not many people have asked if she is OK" means that Will and Kate are not supportive. They easily could be some of the "not many" that have asked. I am not trying to say all is perfect between them and there could very well be issues, I just think that we are all making a lot of assumptions about a huge rift between them when in Harry's own words that is not the case.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 9:18:39 GMT -6
I just think it will come off, to the British public who maybe donโt even like her much to start with, as this foreigner* who, despite being essentially publicly funded, is complaining about them. And I donโt think it will help their media cause. If anything, they will be worse, looking for more reason why sheโs The Worst.
Sheโs def stuck there. She doesnโt like the situation sheโs in, in terms of this formal family that doesnโt publicly defend her, but they need/like the publicity and name and $ to support their causes on a grander scale than they could do as โnormalโ wealthy individuals.
* and American foreigner, which is like the worst kind of foreigner to be in Europe
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Post by teatime on Oct 21, 2019 9:19:03 GMT -6
Wasnโt there an interview Harry gave where he said he wanted Kate to have privacy and such while pregnant/raising kids? From before George was born, I think. Iโm remembering Harry wearing military gear.
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Post by Ls2012 on Oct 21, 2019 9:25:40 GMT -6
Support from the BRF and of eachother aside, a (probably very naive) part of me is wondering why they're even seeing/ reading what the press or social media writes/ says about them? It seems like it would be fairly easy to live in their grand isolated bubble and be massively insulated from whatever nonsense is being said. Should they have to live like that? Of course not. But if an external source or something is causing such a huge amount of personal pain, why read it? Why expose yourselves to the potential hurt? Going out and about, do they really get that many questions from people? Isn't ignoring the noise what celebrities do?
Again, probably being very naive.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 9:26:49 GMT -6
I can't speak for others, but I will say I don't care if they speak up. I understand that things are done differently. I do think there is a difference between racist comments and being called lazy but I digress on all that because I know it is not seen by many and I can't explain it good. I do think if she is saying that people don't ask if she is ok that is telling. Fine you don't want to back me in public because that isn't the thing fine, but I guarantee that if they had the support of the family behind the scenes they would not be doing this. Also I know this is a strange concept, but maybe it isn't even about the BRF maybe it is about the press and only the press. I do see what you're saying and agree with most of it, I just don't think that because Harry and Meghan are speaking out about the press means that there is definitely some rift or lack of support from Will and Kate. I don't think it is a guarantee. Even with Will and Kate's full support, how awful the media has been to them would still be extremely difficult, so I don't think that her being upset in that interview and saying "not many people have asked if she is OK" means that Will and Kate are not supportive. They easily could be some of the "not many" that have asked. I am not trying to say all is perfect between them and there could very well be issues, I just think that we are all making a lot of assumptions about a huge rift between them when in Harry's own words that is not the case. I never said there was a rift
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 9:28:01 GMT -6
Wasnโt there an interview Harry gave where he said he wanted Kate to have privacy and such while pregnant/raising kids? From before George was born, I think. Iโm remembering Harry wearing military gear. Harry has always been supportive of Kate in his own way that I remember
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 9:28:12 GMT -6
I donโt think there is a huge rift either but I do think Harry and Meg are extremely frustrated with the whole situation. Principally with the press but also the overly formal and traditional protocols of the RF.
It sounds like they feel they are trapped in a cage they canโt get out the of. Itโs all of it together.
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Post by beatch on Oct 21, 2019 9:29:19 GMT -6
I just think it will come off, to the British public who maybe donโt even like her much to start with, as this foreigner* who, despite being essentially publicly funded, is complaining about them. And I donโt think it will help their media cause. If anything, they will be worse, looking for more reason why sheโs The Worst. Sheโs def stuck there. She doesnโt like the situation sheโs in, in terms of this formal family that doesnโt publicly defend her, but they need/like the publicity and name and $ to support their causes on a grander scale than they could do as โnormalโ wealthy individuals. * and American foreigner, which is like the worst kind of foreigner to be in Europe From this perspective I really don't see them leaving. Because who will get the blame in this situation, for breaking up the royal family? Meghan, of course. And that would be extremely wrong and unfair to her. So I think they will stick with it and just hope things die down. I'm glad they're taking a break. That also reminded me Meghan jumped back in pretty quickly and I think that came from a place of good. But maybe she and Harry are now feeling the full impact and I hope if they have another child in the future, she takes the full maternity leave. She can't win with the press so why try. Take all the time you need for your mental health.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 9:30:45 GMT -6
I think that I am now on the I hope the move from the family. If the British people hate her so much that they can't see an interview where she is clearly struggling and saying that it is the BRITISH MEDIA not the people that are making it hard then I would want to just say forget it and move.
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Post by bazi on Oct 21, 2019 9:36:18 GMT -6
I think one of the most infuriating things about the British tabloids is that with the advent of Twitter, they donโt even have to make up their own garbage content. I just saw an article from IBTimes that is just a bunch of tweets from random trolls. They donโt even bother making up quotes from fake sources anymore.
I feel this way about all news outlets sourcing from Twitter.
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Post by sonder on Oct 21, 2019 9:50:11 GMT -6
I don't see Harry abdicating, but is there a reason they can't do what Princess Madeleine of Sweden has done with her family? Start off with a vacation home in the states or Canada or wherever. Decide in a few years they want to try 6 months in the US, or even a whole year before Archie starts school. Live in England part of the year, return frequently, do engagements while there and support their charities in a lower key fashion the other part of the year? I realize it hasn't been done for working royals in the BRF, but I can see laying the ground work for something like that being the long goal here.
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Post by emma on Oct 21, 2019 9:52:59 GMT -6
I really like Meghan, i truly do but some of the stuff is very WTF to me. Like there's a very long and public history of the press being vicious and nasty about any woman who's married into that family, they have never stuck up for each other, nothing written is ever fair or balanced . They were awful to Fergie, Sophie, Kate, and now Meghan. I'm guessing no one ever asked if any of them were OK either. It's not right, it's not ok but if they are truly shocked by it then i'm ::blinking white guy:: at them. I am glad they are standing up now and saying something, hopefully it will change in future generations
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Post by koritto on Oct 21, 2019 9:57:54 GMT -6
Iโve followed royal families for so long. I donโt really know what to make of the situation. I feel awful for Meghan but fear this falls on deaf ears. Especially given where the interview took place. Iโm not sure Africa was the place to do so. They made such good points but who is listening?
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Post by beatch on Oct 21, 2019 10:02:38 GMT -6
I don't see Harry abdicating, but is there a reason they can't do what Princess Madeleine of Sweden has done with her family? Start off with a vacation home in the states or Canada or wherever. Decide in a few years they want to try 6 months in the US, or even a whole year before Archie starts school. Live in England part of the year, return frequently, do engagements while there and support their charities in a lower key fashion the other part of the year? I realize it hasn't been done for working royals in the BRF, but I can see laying the ground work for something like that being the long goal here. I don't think you can be a working royal and not live in Britain. Then the message is you're an even higher burden to taxpayers.
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Post by Leaf ๐ฑ on Oct 21, 2019 10:09:23 GMT -6
I think the other thing that has me like a blinking white guy is the idea to speak to the press about the press twisting your words and trashing you and your family in an effort to get them to stop doing that. I can see why the BRF has decided to be very Serenity Prayer about the whole thing and protect the family with a wall of silence - and instead show support and unity through their actions (Wimbledon, birthday posts, joint outings)
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