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Post by catmom88 on Oct 20, 2019 17:31:29 GMT -6
Maybe it's just me but I feel like they are preparing the way to get out. I'm not sure of the family, the country, idk...but something big is about to change. Imo
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 20, 2019 17:45:18 GMT -6
Maybe it's just me but I feel like they are preparing the way to get out. I'm not sure of the family, the country, idk...but something big is about to change. Imo I agree. And as much as I think that clip of MM is sincere, I also think this is strategic. There is absolutely a long game. (And no shade or judgement from me at all. I don’t want to imply that they’re being sneaky or malintentioned.)
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Post by bazi on Oct 20, 2019 17:53:54 GMT -6
The replies on this one are awful. Long wow to those people. Twitter is made of the worst people in the world, I swear. The internet is a cesspool. Except you ladies. I like you.
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Post by chrisy01 on Oct 20, 2019 19:13:06 GMT -6
Oh there is a strategic plan for sure. If it brings then happiness then that’s fine but I hope they thought it all the way through. Grass is always greener on the other side kind of thing.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 20, 2019 19:45:56 GMT -6
I still don’t think they will leave the royal family but they may cut down appearances
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Post by angelashly on Oct 20, 2019 19:46:58 GMT -6
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Post by wildflower on Oct 20, 2019 19:51:24 GMT -6
I really hope H&M find a life that is peaceful and safe for them. As individuals, as a couple and as parents to Archie. Harry admits he is still dealing with a LOT of raw emotions from his mom's death, and his position and job are preventing him from fully healing and finding clarity in his life.
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Post by Cheshie6 on Oct 20, 2019 20:01:45 GMT -6
Truth! I can see her not seeing it. She probably hoped things had changed since Diana, and a lot of the issues with Kate was laziness and not just jumping in. (She had 10 years to prepare) She probably thought if She hit the ground running, they’ll say some things about her but not what they did/do. I honestly hope this isn’t a set up for abdication because Wills will need him! Charles has 3 siblings, so that’s easy to split responsibilities up. But HM only had her sister and she played a big role being the sister of the monarch. I do feel they are making themselves an exit plan but I seriously hope not! Her being a princess is huge for mixed girls like me! I grew up believing the Royal family would never let someone black into the firm. My royal following mom believed this too! Them leaving would suggest it’s still true! 😔 Just look at her influence on the KP Instagram! Don’t let that get away!!
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Post by angelashly on Oct 20, 2019 20:11:58 GMT -6
Truth! I can see her not seeing it. She probably hoped things had changed since Diana, and a lot of the issues with Kate was laziness and not just jumping in. (She had 10 years to prepare) She probably thought if She hit the ground running, they’ll say some things about her but not what they did/do. I honestly hope this isn’t a set up for abdication because Wills will need him! Charles has 3 siblings, so that’s easy to split responsibilities up. But HM only had her sister and she played a big role being the sister of the monarch. I do feel they are making themselves an exit plan but I seriously hope not! Her being a princess is huge for mixed girls like me! I grew up believing the Royal family would never let someone black into the firm. My royal following mom believed this too! Them leaving would suggest it’s still true! 😔 Just look at her influence on the KP Instagram! Don’t let that get away!! I just can’t see them giving up their causes. I mean I know I’m reality they could be just as involved with them but I just think they want to lend their name to them. I don’t know
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Post by frlcb on Oct 20, 2019 20:12:24 GMT -6
I still don’t think they will leave the royal family but they may cut down appearances Agreed. I also think people are going to read more into a lot of this interview than should be, like the Harry and Will stuff. Of course they aren’t going to get along all the time. Or hang out all the time. They are grown men, but also brothers, and brothers can argue, especially when there is so much pressure on them. That doesn’t mean they hate each other.
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 20, 2019 21:35:42 GMT -6
Could they be setting up for a move somewhere that has a less intrusive and vicious press?
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Post by beatch on Oct 20, 2019 22:09:10 GMT -6
I really hope they don't leave. I think frequently about that amazing speech Meghan gave at the Smartworks capsule launch. They are so passionate about doing good and I love their causes. It's hard for me to believe they would give that up, but of course I can't understand what it's like to be constantly attacked by the press.
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Post by Taitai on Oct 20, 2019 23:37:13 GMT -6
Could they be setting up for a move somewhere that has a less intrusive and vicious press? I don’t know if it’s possible to be a working member of the BFR and live outside of the UK...or even outside the general vicinity of London. There are just so many engagements. It would be unprecedented if the Queen allowed that to happen I think. Beatrice lives in NYC, but she’s not a working royal and is not a sibling of the future king....I can’t really think of a similar situation/precedent.
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Post by Taitai on Oct 20, 2019 23:46:28 GMT -6
I don’t want M&H to leave the royal family either, because I’m a fan of Meghan and I agree that she is a great role model/positive influence to so many people.
At the end of the day, however, I think that M&H should do what’s best for their family. If they don’t want Archie to be around all this stuff, that’s an important factor to consider too.
I do believe the rumors that Will was not particularly welcoming to having Meghan join the family, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he felt threatened by her, because she is someone he can’t control. If Meghan sees the writing on the wall that basically the rest of her life is going to involve publicly suppressing a strain with her BIL on the regular, I can see her not putting up with that and leaving.
But I hope it doesn’t happen, because I like her and how she uses her position as a platform for her causes.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 5:01:57 GMT -6
Honestly I think it might get worse for them if they leave the family, it didn’t get better for Diana. At least right now they have all that security.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 5:51:08 GMT -6
Honestly I think it might get worse for them if they leave the family, it didn’t get better for Diana. At least right now they have all that security. I agree with this
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Post by bloom on Oct 21, 2019 6:09:38 GMT -6
did I miss where we can watch the H&M documentary?
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 6:11:41 GMT -6
I feel like Harry and Meghan are pissed that the "royal family" hasn't stood up for Meghan at all, even though they easily could have if they had wanted to. All that "never complain, never explain" stuff is bullshit. William clearly feels empowered to speak to the press when he wants (look at what he did to shut down those Rose rumors in a hurry) but he hasn't done anything for Meghan and Harry. And this is their way of saying, either that changes or we change. Maybe they'll drastically cut down on appearances which would be hard for William and Charles to make up for. I wouldn't blame them at all. I say good for them for taking this break, it's obviously much needed.
eta: I guess I'll go against the grain and say that I could see them leaving and maybe living in the US or Canada. They'll still support their causes but just do so in a much lower key, which would probably better suit them. Honestly, it would serve the BFR right if they ditched them and left Charles and William on the hook for making up the numbers.
The press attention will be huge at first but it will die down over time, especially as there would be no dramatic abdication involved. They might think it would be healthier and more normal for Archie to grow up as a "normal celebrity child" in LA or NY rather than a minor prince in London.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 6:12:42 GMT -6
did I miss where we can watch the H&M documentary? ABC Wednesday night at 10
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 6:13:52 GMT -6
I feel like Harry and Meghan are pissed that the "royal family" hasn't stood up for Meghan at all, even though they easily could have if they had wanted to. All that "never complain, never explain" stuff is bullshit. William clearly feels empowered to speak to the press when he wants (look at what he did to shut down those Rose rumors in a hurry) but he hasn't done anything for Meghan and Harry. And this is their way of saying, either that changes or we change. Maybe they'll drastically cut down on appearances which would be hard for William and Charles to make up for. I wouldn't blame them at all. I say good for them for taking this break, it's obviously much needed. I honestly think this was their middle finger up to them in a way. A you won’t speak so we will and we will do it in an epic way
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Post by pinkcat on Oct 21, 2019 6:14:34 GMT -6
One thing that is frustrating me is the coverage of the interview. All of the headlines say things like "Harry acknowledges rift with Prince William," but what he actually said sounds so much different. Of course I'm not shocked that the media would use headlines like that because they know it will get more clicks, but it is annoying. His actual words even said "The majority of stuff is created out of nothing."
""We are certainly on different paths at the moment, but I will always be there for him, and as I know he will always be there for me. We don't see each other as much as we used to as we are so busy. But I love him dearly and you know the majority of the stuff is probably — well, the majority of the stuff is created out of nothing. But as brothers, you have good days and you have bad days."
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 6:19:22 GMT -6
One thing that is frustrating me is the coverage of the interview. All of the headlines say things like "Harry acknowledges rift with Prince William," but what he actually said sounds so much different. Of course I'm not shocked that the media would use headlines like that because they know it will get more clicks, but it is annoying. His actual words even said "The majority of stuff is created out of nothing." ""We are certainly on different paths at the moment, but I will always be there for him, and as I know he will always be there for me. We don't see each other as much as we used to as we are so busy. But I love him dearly and you know the majority of the stuff is probably — well, the majority of the stuff is created out of nothing. But as brothers, you have good days and you have bad days." The media proving their point
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 6:41:18 GMT -6
One thing that is frustrating me is the coverage of the interview. All of the headlines say things like "Harry acknowledges rift with Prince William," but what he actually said sounds so much different. Of course I'm not shocked that the media would use headlines like that because they know it will get more clicks, but it is annoying. His actual words even said "The majority of stuff is created out of nothing." ""We are certainly on different paths at the moment, but I will always be there for him, and as I know he will always be there for me. We don't see each other as much as we used to as we are so busy. But I love him dearly and you know the majority of the stuff is probably — well, the majority of the stuff is created out of nothing. But as brothers, you have good days and you have bad days." There were some Twitter replies to the ITV reporter who conducted the interview, pointing out that even **his own network** was promoting it with a headline like that. As frustrating as “never complain, never explain” is, I get it — when even a trusted outlet that you’ve given exclusive access will twist your words like that? Impossible to work within a system like that.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 6:43:02 GMT -6
On the other hand, Harry’s not #new. Maybe he knew that the media would spin it that way, and is totally okay with that. Confirming the rift without actually confirming the rift. 🤷♀️
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Post by richard on Oct 21, 2019 6:56:40 GMT -6
I still don’t think they will leave the royal family but they may cut down appearances Agreed. I also think people are going to read more into a lot of this interview than should be, like the Harry and Will stuff. Of course they aren’t going to get along all the time. Or hang out all the time. They are grown men, but also brothers, and brothers can argue, especially when there is so much pressure on them. That doesn’t mean they hate each other. Agreed, and I could see Harry being open about it in an interview without it being a huge deal to him. But I feel like any acknowledgment of issues publicly isn't going to go over well with Will's side especially if there are already underlying tensions. To some people, loyalty means not talking about shit with other people publicly.* * Learned from Jersey Shore: Family Vacation.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 7:17:50 GMT -6
I liked the interview, it was interesting to hear them speak relatively freely but was the point of the interview to give insight into H&M? Context for the lawsuit? Or just to personalize them so people will see another side and maybe lay off M for a bit?
Granted I haven’t seen the whole thing but the clips that have been shared are pretty negative towards the UK. Like, it sounds like she hates it there. How is that going to help their cause? Did she say anything positive about the UK, BRF, or the British people?
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 7:57:40 GMT -6
I liked the interview, it was interesting to hear them speak relatively freely but was the point of the interview to give insight into H&M? Context for the lawsuit? Or just to personalize them so people will see another side and maybe lay off M for a bit? Granted I haven’t seen the whole thing but the clips that have been shared are pretty negative towards the UK. Like, it sounds like she hates it there. How is that going to help their cause? Did she say anything positive about the UK, BRF, or the British people?Would you? I don't think she said she hated it or feel it came off as that. She is saying everything against the media which have been horrible.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 8:10:34 GMT -6
I liked the interview, it was interesting to hear them speak relatively freely but was the point of the interview to give insight into H&M? Context for the lawsuit? Or just to personalize them so people will see another side and maybe lay off M for a bit? Granted I haven’t seen the whole thing but the clips that have been shared are pretty negative towards the UK. Like, it sounds like she hates it there. How is that going to help their cause? Did she say anything positive about the UK, BRF, or the British people?Would you? I don't think she said she hated it or feel it came off as that. She is saying everything against the media which have been horrible. From a PR perspective, I think it would’ve played better had she included something like, “I’m so grateful for the opportunity to bring visibility to the causes that are important to us,” “to meet incredible people like XYZ,” etc. Maybe she did and that’s part of the full interview. As it stands, I think it plays into the narrative that she and Harry are self-absorbed. There is a common thread in some of the critical articles in the UK press about this that doing the documentary there and focusing it on their personal issues took away from the visibility for the South African causes they were there to promote. I do think they’re pretty damned whatever they do. Another example, there was some criticism in the press recently of Harry for telling a personal story about his mental health during an event for a children’s hospital (or something?) and “making it about himself.” From a human perspective, I don’t blame her. Not saying I agree with any of it, just talking PR strategy.
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Post by emma on Oct 21, 2019 8:12:37 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 8:30:57 GMT -6
I give up
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