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Post by emma on Oct 21, 2019 11:38:23 GMT -6
No one in that family had publicly stood up for anyone other than their spouse. Harry never said shit when Kate was dragged for years for being fat and lazy so why would he expect everyone to change that for him and his wife? He’s not #new but he’s acting it To me personally, there's a huge difference between calling someone fat and lazy, the other woman, Duchess of Pork, etc. and using a photo of a monkey leaving a hospital and saying it's the new royal family. If this was just about those things, I'd be with you! But it is more than that! "Never Explain, Never Complain" is fine and good when there are rumors of infidelity, in fighting, drama, being called Lazy, difficult, or fat. The only way to dispel them is to work harder, lose weight, and keep showing the best you have to offer. But anything racist should be addressed head on by the Firm because they don't just have a WOC in their family, they have POC in their country and their common wealths. What if the message from the figurehead Top down is that racism is not a thing we will tolerate here in the Royal family or UK. I don't expect them to come to her defense with every supposed protocol misstep or rumor about fighting with the ILs, but to me racism is a whole other can of worms. sonder , I don't think Madeleine is officially a working royal anymore. She still has her responsibilities like the York sisters, and I believe should be in attendance for Jubilee like events and other events but otherwise her family isn't working royals especially now that the heir and spare of covered by the crown princess. I could be wrong, but I think with her being 7th in line to the throne, she's clear to do what she wants. I don't disagree with you, but you're also assuming they actually see a difference and are following your thought process with racist stuff vs everything else. Which i think they don't, they aren't exactly the poster family for evolved thinking and wokeness
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Post by tgrimes on Oct 21, 2019 11:39:37 GMT -6
I know that in this thread in general there has been a very “adorable grandma” vibe when talking about QEII. But tbh, I am not that impressed by her. Sure longest monarch blah blah but she could do so much more to be progressive and change the way things are done. She won’t, she protects a pedophile child and sort of endorses blatant racism toward her granddaughter-in-law as a distraction from her pedophile son. I’m not saying I’m going to be HAPPY when she dies, but Idk. She’s far past her prime and while I don’t know that Charles is going to be some instigator of change, I think the younger generation at least better has his ear. I do not have high hopes for Charles. I am only looking forward to more pictures of him being red-faced drunk.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 11:40:46 GMT -6
I forgot all about the Botox debacle which has me even more eye rolling because woman gets Botox
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 21, 2019 11:44:47 GMT -6
Possible uo: I wouldn't be bothered by people knowing I got botox.
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Post by jaidit on Oct 21, 2019 11:48:23 GMT -6
I haven’t watched the interview of the H and M, but I have thoughts.
The press have been particularly horrible with their racist comments. I think that the most awful part is the comments sections of social media and news articles. Those in charge need to be held accountable and remove the racist comments as they happen.
It would be a shame if they did denounce titles, I think they will not as their platform gives them a unique opportunity to help their causes.
It’s a double edged sword- they have certainly benefited from tax payer money.. their wedding, their home renovations.. so I do feel some way about them taking 6 weeks off engagements so quickly after that lavish wedding and home renovation. I do think they need to clear their heads a bit though and hope the break does them well.
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 11:49:53 GMT -6
I know that in this thread in general there has been a very “adorable grandma” vibe when talking about QEII. But tbh, I am not that impressed by her. Sure longest monarch blah blah but she could do so much more to be progressive and change the way things are done. She won’t, she protects a pedophile child and sort of endorses blatant racism toward her granddaughter-in-law as a distraction from her pedophile son. I’m not saying I’m going to be HAPPY when she dies, but Idk. She’s far past her prime and while I don’t know that Charles is going to be some instigator of change, I think the younger generation at least better has his ear. I'm not impressed with her at all. She supports Andrew. She allows Princess Michael to continue to represent the crown. Her husband is a racist. To be honest, I don't have high hopes for Charles and his "You don't look like you're from Manchester" to a reporter of Indian background. I also don't have high hopes for Will either.
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Post by tgrimes on Oct 21, 2019 11:50:24 GMT -6
Possible uo: I wouldn't be bothered by people knowing I got botox. Same. I'd be a walking advertisement for my doctor and hand their business cards out to anyone who commented. Maybe I could get free botox this way.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 11:52:08 GMT -6
(snip) I don't disagree with you, but you're also assuming they actually see a difference and are following your thought process with racist stuff vs everything else. Which i think they don't, they aren't exactly the poster family for evolved thinking and wokeness This isn’t really directed to you emma, just sort of (again) thinking out loud on this topic. I think you’ve sort of touched on a topic that I’ve been wondering about. Maybe it would be more helpful for Harry to call out, specifically, racism, instead of making general statements about “tabloid unfairness.” He has repeatedly mentioned his mother — and I’m not saying at all that that’s not a legitimate grievance — but maybe that’s apples to oranges, and not especially helpful in this instance. Specifically calling it out as racism, rather than blanketly saying they’ve been treated unfairly. I just think that’d be more powerful than “we’ve been treated unfairly,” which conflates it with what I think are valid criticisms (the timing of the private jet, for example). And maybe he has, and I haven’t paid enough attention. Anyway, I think this is an important discussion, and I’m glad we’re having it. That’s putting it all on Harry and Meghan, when I don’t really think it should be their (sole) responsibility. I agree with PP that it would be so powerful to have someone higher up speak out about it. Do I expect that to happen? No, unfortunately. But I would like to see it. I would just hope Wills could be more graceful about it than he was when speaking about racism in soccer. 🤦♀️
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 11:53:30 GMT -6
I know that in this thread in general there has been a very “adorable grandma” vibe when talking about QEII. But tbh, I am not that impressed by her. Sure longest monarch blah blah but she could do so much more to be progressive and change the way things are done. She won’t, she protects a pedophile child and sort of endorses blatant racism toward her granddaughter-in-law as a distraction from her pedophile son. I’m not saying I’m going to be HAPPY when she dies, but Idk. She’s far past her prime and while I don’t know that Charles is going to be some instigator of change, I think the younger generation at least better has his ear. I'm not impressed with her at all. She supports Andrew. She allows Princess Michael to continue to represent the crown. Her husband is a racist. To be honest, I don't have high hopes for Charles and his "You don't look like you're from Manchester" to a reporter of Indian background. I also don't have high hopes for Will either. Yeah I’m not super rah rah about Charles but thinking maybe his reign will be short? 😂 I don’t know what to think about Will yet.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 11:55:42 GMT -6
Possible uo: I wouldn't be bothered by people knowing I got botox. Same. I'd be a walking advertisement for my doctor and hand their business cards out to anyone who commented. Maybe I could get free botox this way. They only denied she got Botox from that doctor. They didn’t deny she had never had Botox. This guy was trying to cash in and they blocked what they thought could be seen as a commercial endorsement.
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Post by emma on Oct 21, 2019 11:56:36 GMT -6
I think a lot of people are putting way too much faith into a family with a long history of racist behaviour and a refusal to learn and do better.
That's really my point, not that they shouldn't do better, that there is a long long documented history of shit behaviour by the press and the family themselves so it's really not shocking that it continues now. Harry himself has said and done some racist shit in the past
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 11:58:36 GMT -6
I haven’t watched the interview of the H and M, but I have thoughts. The press have been particularly horrible with their racist comments. I think that the most awful part is the comments sections of social media and news articles. Those in charge need to be held accountable and remove the racist comments as they happen. It would be a shame if they did denounce titles, I think they will not as their platform gives them a unique opportunity to help their causes. It’s a double edged sword- they have certainly benefited from tax payer money.. their wedding, their home renovations.. so I do feel some way about them taking 6 weeks off engagements so quickly after that lavish wedding and home renovation. I do think they need to clear their heads a bit though and hope the break does them well. But she did engagements before their wedding and didn’t take that long of a maternity leave. Will and Kate took time off to be newlyweds so I’m meh on that
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 21, 2019 12:00:07 GMT -6
I think a lot of people are putting way too much faith into a family with a long history of racist behaviour and a refusal to learn and do better. That's really my point, not that they shouldn't do better, that there is a long long documented history of shit behaviour by the press and the family themselves so it's really not shocking that it continues now. Harry himself has said and done some racist shit in the past I think maybe that’s what I was trying to work out in my previous post. Does he even have enough self-awareness to call out the root of the issue? (I honestly don’t know.)
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 12:02:19 GMT -6
I get that the history is long documented and not surprising. I guess it just feeds into my feelings of “meh” when people remark on if the queen is looking thinner oh no etc. maybe I’m heartless lol. I’m mostly just here for the fashion and not loving these people as actual humans. 😂
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Post by tgrimes on Oct 21, 2019 12:03:14 GMT -6
Same. I'd be a walking advertisement for my doctor and hand their business cards out to anyone who commented. Maybe I could get free botox this way. They only denied she got Botox from that doctor. They didn’t deny she had never had Botox. This guy was trying to cash in and they blocked what they thought could be seen as a commercial endorsement. That makes more sense. But, do you think I could get free botox?
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 12:04:38 GMT -6
They only denied she got Botox from that doctor. They didn’t deny she had never had Botox. This guy was trying to cash in and they blocked what they thought could be seen as a commercial endorsement. That makes more sense. But, do you think I could get free botox? Probably if you become famous somehow 😂
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Post by angelashly on Oct 21, 2019 12:09:02 GMT -6
I think a lot of people are putting way too much faith into a family with a long history of racist behaviour and a refusal to learn and do better. That's really my point, not that they shouldn't do better, that there is a long long documented history of shit behaviour by the press and the family themselves so it's really not shocking that it continues now. Harry himself has said and done some racist shit in the past I think maybe that’s what I was trying to work out in my previous post. Does he even have enough self-awareness to call out the root of the issue? (I honestly don’t know.) Harry? He may not have before but I guarantee he does now. I guarantee mama Doria has schooled him
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 12:15:25 GMT -6
I get that the history is long documented and not surprising. I guess it just feeds into my feelings of “meh” when people remark on if the queen is looking thinner oh no etc. maybe I’m heartless lol. I’m mostly just here for the fashion and not loving these people as actual humans. 😂 This is me. I'm kinda "Abolish the monarchy! Get rid of them all! But until then, I want to admire their tiaras." I really don't think there is a solution because I think any time you set a family up as superior and even rank them as superior within a family, that's going to go to their head. And no, they won't be "normal."
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 12:22:55 GMT -6
I get that the history is long documented and not surprising. I guess it just feeds into my feelings of “meh” when people remark on if the queen is looking thinner oh no etc. maybe I’m heartless lol. I’m mostly just here for the fashion and not loving these people as actual humans. 😂 This is me. I'm kinda "Abolish the monarchy! Get rid of them all! But until then, I want to admire their tiaras." I really don't think there is a solution because I think any time you set a family up as superior and even rank them as superior within a family, that's going to go to their head. And no, they won't be "normal." Agreed. It reminds me of the first or second episode of The Crown when Queen Mary tells young QEII that God created the monarchy for a reason etc etc. Whether the current royals feel that way, idk, but it certainly sets a tone.
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Post by betches on Oct 21, 2019 12:28:56 GMT -6
I just feel like both we here on the board and general we of everyone talking about this are trying to find one clean explanation for a very, very messy situation. I’m assuming almost every story we’ve heard has a grain of truth that has been blown up and expanded beyond recognition.
Are William and Harry having some growing pains and tension? Yeah, probably. But I doubt they’ve declared some internal war on each other’s families Could the BRF speak out in favor of Meghan? Of course, but I don’t think them not is some conscious and well thought out decision to sacrifice Meghan for personal gain Does Meghan have some diva tendencies? Most like, but that doesn’t negate all the good things she does and the positive impact she has made Is the press incredibly racist and unfair? For sure, but that doesn’t mean all criticism of H&M is rooted in racism and uncalled for
I know we’re going to talk this in circles because it’s so unprecedented and that’s just what we do, but I don’t think we’ll ever feel like we have an answer
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Post by Lakes on Oct 21, 2019 12:31:20 GMT -6
I'm not impressed with her at all. She supports Andrew. She allows Princess Michael to continue to represent the crown. Her husband is a racist. To be honest, I don't have high hopes for Charles and his "You don't look like you're from Manchester" to a reporter of Indian background. I also don't have high hopes for Will either. Yeah I’m not super rah rah about Charles but thinking maybe his reign will be short? 😂 I don’t know what to think about Will yet. My only hope for Charles is that he continues to highlight the environment and climate change. That’s kind of his thing right? And his chickens.
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 12:31:39 GMT -6
This is me. I'm kinda "Abolish the monarchy! Get rid of them all! But until then, I want to admire their tiaras." I really don't think there is a solution because I think any time you set a family up as superior and even rank them as superior within a family, that's going to go to their head. And no, they won't be "normal." Agreed. It reminds me of the first or second episode of The Crown when Queen Mary tells young QEII that God created the monarchy for a reason etc etc. Whether the current royals feel that way, idk, but it certainly sets a tone. Like, even if they don't agree that God created the monarchy at this point, having a family system where you have to curtsy to this aunt, but this aunt has to curtsy to you, and your cousin has to curtsy to you but only if your husband is around and if not you have to curtsy to him.... you have to stop eating at Christmas dinner once Grandma is done eating because when she's done everyone is done.... if you get somewhere before you are supposed to, you might have to circle the block because the order you're allowed to get out of the car for a private family gathering is set in stone... I don't know. It's just a weird system when you think that they enforce it not just in public but in private too.
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Post by richard on Oct 21, 2019 12:49:39 GMT -6
If they abolish the monarchy, I will not get to watch The Crown Season 52 and you all will pay!
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Post by Lormor on Oct 21, 2019 12:58:45 GMT -6
The Duchess of Cornwall looked stylish in tweed on Sunday afternoon as she watched her horse take first place, during one of the races at the Kempton Park Racecourse in Sunbury. Camilla, 72, arrived at the race course on wrapped up in a autumnal tweed coat, and looked delighted after her horse Pacify won the Matchbook Betting Exchange race. She does look rather smug about her horse winning .
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Post by maybe on Oct 21, 2019 13:07:10 GMT -6
I'm not impressed with her at all. She supports Andrew. She allows Princess Michael to continue to represent the crown. Her husband is a racist. To be honest, I don't have high hopes for Charles and his "You don't look like you're from Manchester" to a reporter of Indian background. I also don't have high hopes for Will either. Yeah I’m not super rah rah about Charles but thinking maybe his reign will be short? 😂 I don’t know what to think about Will yet. FWIW, black British people have told me that they always liked Charles and have a particular affection for him but I have never been told what inspires that level of trust but my guess is that some point in his early life he treated some black person or a black community respectfully and as equals and that goodwill has carried over.
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Post by maybe on Oct 21, 2019 13:08:40 GMT -6
Agreed. It reminds me of the first or second episode of The Crown when Queen Mary tells young QEII that God created the monarchy for a reason etc etc. Whether the current royals feel that way, idk, but it certainly sets a tone. Like, even if they don't agree that God created the monarchy at this point, having a family system where you have to curtsy to this aunt, but this aunt has to curtsy to you, and your cousin has to curtsy to you but only if your husband is around and if not you have to curtsy to him.... you have to stop eating at Christmas dinner once Grandma is done eating because when she's done everyone is done.... if you get somewhere before you are supposed to, you might have to circle the block because the order you're allowed to get out of the car for a private family gathering is set in stone... I don't know. It's just a weird system when you think that they enforce it not just in public but in private too. I love how you always point out what a shitty and terrible family/institution it is. It tickles me and makes me feel better for indulging in tiara and Meghan talk because I can at least like your posts that call their BS.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 13:40:09 GMT -6
Also, Wills could have said something, either publicly to the media or privately to his stodgy courtiers, to fuck off w.r.t targeting H&W. He did not and we can speculate a thousand ways as to why. However, when someone reported that Kate uses botox, they issues a statement immediately denying it.
So, you know. It certainly appears that they are in some ways benefiting from the criticism on H&M. This is the double standard that would have me so frustrated if I were in Meghan or harry's position. Who knows why or who is doing it (it might not even be Will and Kate, it could be the "men in gray" as QEII refers to them). But the fact that it is there and is so obvious must be infuriating.
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Post by ouijabored on Oct 21, 2019 13:49:36 GMT -6
(snip) I don't disagree with you, but you're also assuming they actually see a difference and are following your thought process with racist stuff vs everything else. Which i think they don't, they aren't exactly the poster family for evolved thinking and wokeness This isn’t really directed to you emma , just sort of (again) thinking out loud on this topic. I think you’ve sort of touched on a topic that I’ve been wondering about. Maybe it would be more helpful for Harry to call out, specifically, racism, instead of making general statements about “tabloid unfairness.” He has repeatedly mentioned his mother — and I’m not saying at all that that’s not a legitimate grievance — but maybe that’s apples to oranges, and not especially helpful in this instance. Specifically calling it out as racism, rather than blanketly saying they’ve been treated unfairly. I just think that’d be more powerful than “we’ve been treated unfairly,” which conflates it with what I think are valid criticisms (the timing of the private jet, for example). And maybe he has, and I haven’t paid enough attention. Anyway, I think this is an important discussion, and I’m glad we’re having it. That’s putting it all on Harry and Meghan, when I don’t really think it should be their (sole) responsibility. I agree with PP that it would be so powerful to have someone higher up speak out about it. Do I expect that to happen? No, unfortunately. But I would like to see it. I would just hope Wills could be more graceful about it than he was when speaking about racism in soccer. 🤦♀️What's weird though is that the people we're hoping who will speak up in his favor and call out the racism against his wife are his own brother and father!! They're not just "people in power." They're his closest living relatives, people he says he loves. Sometimes I am just totally flabbergasted by these people. Why are they leaving him out to dry like this? I really believe that the normal response for most people would have been to call bs on this stuff and put it to rest once and for all. But instead they allowed it to go on and on until it got to this point where Harry and Meghan are admitting they feel tortured by her treatment in the press.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 13:52:33 GMT -6
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 13:58:43 GMT -6
Wow Kate’s dress is terrible. It looks like a grown up version of one of those gross frilly girl dresses I see on Pinterest. I can’t think of the designers name.
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