Week Of 2/3

[Minerva]

Feb 6, 2019 18:06:59 GMT -6 Uncaripswife said:

Feb 6, 2019 18:06:05 GMT -6 dc2london said:

..........

Ok I won't

Oh no.

😬
He is gorgeous, tho.

[byjove]

donnamoss that all makes sense. I read something in wapo that the first couple of days back was basically like group therapy. I hope things stabilize soon!

[maybe]

So Daily Beast is reporting that Amy Klobachaur is mean to staffers and has a bad rep for it. That sucks.

[PandaWatch]

Feb 6, 2019 17:40:53 GMT -6 Dr. Cox said:

So I knew Chris Pratt was religious, but didn’t know about racism or anti-vaccines stuff. What happened??
RajahMD

i would also like details because I can’t find anything on the interwebs that says that.

[PandaWatch]

Feb 6, 2019 20:11:44 GMT -6 maybe said:

So Daily Beast is reporting that Amy Klobachaur is mean to staffers and has a bad rep for it. That sucks.

[roloma]

Feb 6, 2019 20:11:44 GMT -6 maybe said:

So Daily Beast is reporting that Amy Klobachaur is mean to staffers and has a bad rep for it. That sucks.

I work in an industry that Amy works with regularly. She is quite well liked by everyone (dems and republicans) but there are definitely whispers that she is a terrible boss. Lots of yelling and throwing things. I don’t know how true they are but it is talked about.

[PandaWatch]

Klobuchar apparently has the highest staff turnover rate in the Senate: www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/03/21/worst-bosses-congress-476729

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[jaygee]

Feb 6, 2019 20:11:44 GMT -6 maybe said:

So Daily Beast is reporting that Amy Klobachaur is mean to staffers and has a bad rep for it. That sucks.

I read the article and can’t decide if it is “things we say about a female boss that we don’t say about a male boss” or if there is a there there. Having high standards should not be an issue. But they said she had staffers running personal errands and she she yelled and called people out in public. Opinion still forming.

[richard]

Hmmm. That is disappointing about Amy. I have reservations about whether this would be a story if it weren't a woman from the Midwest who everyone expects to be nice, but demeaning behavior by a boss isn't okay in any situation.

Also, I don't understand why widely-known secret type shit about Senators/Governors/Congresspeople/whomever only seem to become something worth reporting on once they throw their hat in a ring for POTUS.

Some of us would like to know this kind of shit about our non-POTUS elected officials...

[maybe]

Feb 6, 2019 21:09:28 GMT -6 richard said:

Hmmm. That is disappointing about Amy. I have reservations about whether this would be a story if it weren't a woman from the Midwest who everyone expects to be nice, but demeaning behavior by a boss isn't okay in any situation.

Also, I don't understand why widely-known secret type shit about Senators/Governors/Congresspeople/whomever only seem to become something worth reporting on once they throw their hat in a ring for POTUS.

Some of us would like to know this kind of shit about our non-POTUS elected officials...

There is data on turnover rates on this one. She is supposed to be Minnesota nice though!

[jkjacq]

I’ve had about four different articles pop up about Amy being a bad boss.

I don’t know. The only other turnover stories are about this White House.

I feel like there’s a different expectation for women bosses and that’s playing into it

[JukEboX]

So the right has been pushing this article today because they have been trolling Kamala Harris' IG saying she slept her way to the top.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Not sure how much truth there is to this.

It bothers me that the right wants to argue a d then they say something from "facts" they find on the Internet that may not or may not be proven and then tell you your stupid for not rebutting them with facts. And when. You present facts they turn around with some other outlandish statement. It's like what Trump has is a mental disorder and like 40% of the population has it.

[jaygee]

Feb 6, 2019 21:33:45 GMT -6 JukEboX said:

So the right has been pushing this article today because they have been trolling Kamala Harris' IG saying she slept her way to the top.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Not sure how much truth there is to this.

It bothers me that the right wants to argue a d then they say something from "facts" they find on the Internet that may not or may not be proven and then tell you your stupid for not rebutting them with facts. And when. You present facts they turn around with some other outlandish statement. It's like what Trump has is a mental disorder and like 40% of the population has it.

It’s all factually accurate. They dated. He has never divorced his wife but has dated many women. He appointed her to a couple of positions. As mayors do. He was particularly fond of putting his pals in high places but that reflects more on him than the appointees. He’s also helped along the careers of Governor Newsom and Congresswoman Pelosi.

But she was elected in non controversial elections (I.e. not charges of corruption) to DA in SF and AG of CA and Senator of CA.

As her constituent none of this is news and none of it is damning. But the national stage is different than local or state, so it will be a thing.

This is Willie Brown’s letter and about all that really needs to be said.

www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Sure-I-dated-Kamala-Harris-So-what-13562972.php

ETA: Ugh. Rereading my reply it sounds snotty. Sorry. I’ve just been tracking the twitter bots reply this on nearly every tweet Senator Harris has made since she was elected. So I get frustrated by it. But everyone should make their own mind up on her and if this is a deal.

[richard]

Feb 6, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -6 maybe said:

Feb 6, 2019 21:09:28 GMT -6 richard said:

Hmmm. That is disappointing about Amy. I have reservations about whether this would be a story if it weren't a woman from the Midwest who everyone expects to be nice, but demeaning behavior by a boss isn't okay in any situation.

Also, I don't understand why widely-known secret type shit about Senators/Governors/Congresspeople/whomever only seem to become something worth reporting on once they throw their hat in a ring for POTUS.

Some of us would like to know this kind of shit about our non-POTUS elected officials...

There is data on turnover rates on this one. She is supposed to be Minnesota nice though!

Yeah, I read it and looked at the data website (although a good amount of it is behind a paywall). I'm not saying that part isn't true.

And I also think that a story could've been written just based on those #s. I'm just hesitant to ascribe all the staff turnover to reasons stated by a fraction of former staff's description of their experience. 

But generally, I've come to believe with people in general where there's smoke there's usually fire. So I'm going to be a more critical thinker when it comes to Amy.

Everyone's going to have to earn my vote in this primary.

[jaygee]

This is an interesting thread

[dc2london]

Ok so when I told you all that Amy has a Gary I didn't think it meant she is actually Selina Meyer

[dc2london]

Feb 6, 2019 21:33:45 GMT -6 JukEboX said:

So the right has been pushing this article today because they have been trolling Kamala Harris' IG saying she slept her way to the top.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Not sure how much truth there is to this.

It bothers me that the right wants to argue a d then they say something from "facts" they find on the Internet that may not or may not be proven and then tell you your stupid for not rebutting them with facts. And when. You present facts they turn around with some other outlandish statement. It's like what Trump has is a mental disorder and like 40% of the population has it.

I have noticed a pattern among the Brooks Brothers caucus of making BS umbrella statements, responding to rebuttals with additional BS overgeneralizations, and then buttressing your entire conversation with, "At the end of the day _____"
It's like "At the end of the day" is GWU code for "I don't have s salient argument but I WILL NOT CEDE THE POINT. "

I have observed this among family, colleagues, and round table/panel/Sunday show discussions. It's downright weird

[dc2london]

I'm not diving deep on the Klobuchar stuff tonight bc honestly I can't handle anymore disappointment just now

[JukEboX]

Feb 6, 2019 15:38:49 GMT -6 @heartbot said:

As a Texan, I have to say, a tiny party of me is thrilled that for once, it's not us in the headlines for racist shitbaggery.

ROFL of stories of idiocy from Floridia

[JukEboX]

Feb 6, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Feb 6, 2019 21:33:45 GMT -6 JukEboX said:

So the right has been pushing this article today because they have been trolling Kamala Harris' IG saying she slept her way to the top.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Not sure how much truth there is to this.

It bothers me that the right wants to argue a d then they say something from "facts" they find on the Internet that may not or may not be proven and then tell you your stupid for not rebutting them with facts. And when. You present facts they turn around with some other outlandish statement. It's like what Trump has is a mental disorder and like 40% of the population has it.

I have noticed a pattern among the Brooks Brothers caucus of making BS umbrella statements, responding to rebuttals with additional BS overgeneralizations, and then buttressing your entire conversation with, "At the end of the day _____"
It's like "At the end of the day" is GWU code for "I don't have s salient argument but I WILL NOT CEDE THE POINT. "

I have observed this among family, colleagues, and round table/panel/Sunday show discussions. It's downright weird

Your so right!

And they like to pepper in "Do your research" and "you dems are really sheeple". They put on a front like they have the moral high ground since they "did their research" (i.e. Watched Fox News and read Breitbartt which links directly to troll articles). And in the same breathe will tout they are the most woke because they did so. And when the claim is so amazingly outlandish, some poor soul just straight up chastizes them as an idiot, they gain momentum by saying "Just like a D to resort to name calling and not presenting facts."

Its literally....... Every.........single.........one.

Am I missing something? Was this in "The Art Of the Deal"? How to argue with the opposite side why pretending to sound like what you know what your talking about while pointing to meaningless facts and gossip? This is one of the reason I think entertainment news should not be labelled "News". Its just gossip. Buts a argument for another time.

One major theme I am finding on KH IGs is that they are arguing that all the charges that have been levied against Trump associates have not been for high crimes, they have been for small felonies like tax evasion, etc. I know Mueller is using them to get to the bigger fish but if that is the case they would be right that noone has charged with anything directly supporting Russia. Unless I am wrong ? (probably)

[Uncaripswife]

Reporting in on Lovett or Leave It. It was really fun. The panel of guests was great.

And Kirsten Gillibrand was his special guest. I was impressed. I'm not making up my mind about 2020 today, but for me she's in the running.

[cakewench]

Feb 6, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Feb 6, 2019 21:33:45 GMT -6 JukEboX said:

So the right has been pushing this article today because they have been trolling Kamala Harris' IG saying she slept her way to the top.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Not sure how much truth there is to this.

It bothers me that the right wants to argue a d then they say something from "facts" they find on the Internet that may not or may not be proven and then tell you your stupid for not rebutting them with facts. And when. You present facts they turn around with some other outlandish statement. It's like what Trump has is a mental disorder and like 40% of the population has it.

I have noticed a pattern among the Brooks Brothers caucus of making BS umbrella statements, responding to rebuttals with additional BS overgeneralizations, and then buttressing your entire conversation with, "At the end of the day _____"
It's like "At the end of the day" is GWU code for "I don't have s salient argument but I WILL NOT CEDE THE POINT. "

I have observed this among family, colleagues, and round table/panel/Sunday show discussions. It's downright weird

As a GW alumni, I want to take offense, but yeah. Accurate.

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Disappointing about Amy. Of course, if she were a man, this would not even be a story, but that doesn't mean it's okay.

[justkeepmoving]

donnamoss I hadn’t heard that backpay in future shutdowns was added in as part of the backpay bill. That’s awesome and definitely a sigh of relief going forward.

[PandaWatch]

Feb 7, 2019 6:48:13 GMT -6 @ges072115 said:

Disappointing about Amy. Of course, if she were a man, this would not even be a story, but that doesn't mean it's okay.

Agreed. I think the sexism in this story is that it wouldn’t be a news story if she were a man.

But based on what was reported in Daily Beast and elsewhere, I don’t agree that what she did (if accurate) is only being called out by staff because she is a woman. It’s being called out because it’s wrong. She can’t treat people that way. I don’t care whether she’s a man or a woman, her actions are disrespectful and inappropriate. To me, this isn’t an issue of a strong, driven woman holding her staff to high standards. It’s unprofessional and disrespectful.

I’m not sure if I’m articulating my thoughts clearly or not.

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Feb 7, 2019 6:59:31 GMT -6 PandaWatch said:

Feb 7, 2019 6:48:13 GMT -6 @ges072115 said:

Disappointing about Amy. Of course, if she were a man, this would not even be a story, but that doesn't mean it's okay.

Agreed. I think the sexism in this story is that it wouldn’t be a news story if she were a man.

But based on what was reported in Daily Beast and elsewhere, I don’t agree that what she did (if accurate) is only being called out by staff because she is a woman. It’s being called out because it’s wrong. She can’t treat people that way. I don’t care whether she’s a man or a woman, her actions are disrespectful and inappropriate. To me, this isn’t an issue of a strong, driven woman holding her staff to high standards. It’s unprofessional and disrespectful.

I’m not sure if I’m articulating my thoughts clearly or not.

Oh, I totally agree with you that it's wrong.  But it just goes to show you that the female candidates are going to be under stricter scrutiny than the male ones.  

[dc2london]

Feb 7, 2019 6:35:59 GMT -6 cakewench said:

Feb 6, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I have noticed a pattern among the Brooks Brothers caucus of making BS umbrella statements, responding to rebuttals with additional BS overgeneralizations, and then buttressing your entire conversation with, "At the end of the day _____"
It's like "At the end of the day" is GWU code for "I don't have s salient argument but I WILL NOT CEDE THE POINT. "

I have observed this among family, colleagues, and round table/panel/Sunday show discussions. It's downright weird

As a GW alumni, I want to take offense, but yeah. Accurate.

Sorry 🤐

[dc2london]

JukEboX they could still drop superceding indictments on anyone.
Remember that every indictment made public contains the relevant information supporting the charges brought forth. So the prosecutors have to be careful about who they indict and when and for what bc relevant facts to those charges, if released into the public sphere, could complicate their ability to gather evidence and interview witnesses.

Remember that we only know what Bob Mueller wants us to know. And that's by design.

[cakewench]

Presidential motorcade just went by my office. Wonder what he’s got on the agenda today.

ETA: I remember when I first came to DC and I thought seeing a motorcade was like the coolest thing ever. I’ve been here so long now they’re just a pain in the ass 😂

[notblanche]

Feb 7, 2019 6:35:59 GMT -6 cakewench said:

Feb 6, 2019 22:24:22 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I have noticed a pattern among the Brooks Brothers caucus of making BS umbrella statements, responding to rebuttals with additional BS overgeneralizations, and then buttressing your entire conversation with, "At the end of the day _____"
It's like "At the end of the day" is GWU code for "I don't have s salient argument but I WILL NOT CEDE THE POINT. "

I have observed this among family, colleagues, and round table/panel/Sunday show discussions. It's downright weird

As a GW alumni, I want to take offense, but yeah. Accurate.

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