2020 Candidate Speculation

[dc2london]

Jan 13, 2020 10:16:41 GMT -6 cakewench said:

I am sad Booker is dropping out, and still pissed Steyer and Bloomberg are in. And Tulsi, because always.

There's no way she drops out until after the convention

[coconutbacon]

Cory wasn't my guy, but I'll always have a soft spot for him. I've liked him since 2006, when he was mayor of Newark. And I know a few of my Republican family members in Jersey voted for him for Senate, even though they'd also vote for Chris Christie and the like.

He's a damn vegan superhero spreading the message of love, and doing his best to live his ideals. Even though he's no longer a presidential contender, I hope his voice won't be lost.

[bunnyfungo]

Jan 13, 2020 5:13:06 GMT -6 Rebel said:

Small town communities take care of each other.....along racial lines. Which leads to a gap in the amount of support different people are receiving. And that is hard to fix because of racism.

I’ve lived in those small town communities and have seen that first hand.

And as far as that being a strength for Bernie because he wants to address those injustices and help....I would argue that most of the Democratic candidates want to fix this. I think this is a strength of the Democratic Party, not specifically Bernie.

That is an important distinction that I should have mentioned. Small towns are definitely racist AF.

[peaseblossom55]

It was expected but I’m sad Booker is out. I’m really kinda meh about most the candidates left. Booker is a great senator so I hope there more for him in the future.

[athn64]

Looks like it will be Another White Man 2020 at this point. I'm thinking of going for Warren now, though she's not that exciting of a candidate for me.

[jkjacq]

Allegedly Bernie told Liz in a meeting in 18 that 'a woman couldn't win'

[starbuck]

Jan 13, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Allegedly Bernie told Liz in a meeting in 18 that 'a woman couldn't win'

SSDD

[Rebel]

Jan 13, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Allegedly Bernie told Liz in a meeting in 18 that 'a woman couldn't win'

Hmmmmm where are you seeing this?

[starbuck]

Jan 13, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -6 Rebel said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Allegedly Bernie told Liz in a meeting in 18 that 'a woman couldn't win'

Hmmmmm where are you seeing this?

www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html


Warren hasn't commented. I would love to hear her speak on the veracity of these reports.

[Rebel]

Ok NM, I googled lol

I don’t like Bernie, I’ve made that clear. And I know he has a history of misogyny. But I’m taking this “a woman can’t win” with a grain of salt. We know a woman can win. Hillary won by 3mil votes. Idk. I am struggling to picture him saying this to Liz Warren’s face in a private meeting in her home.

[jaygee]

Sad and mad about Booker.

You guys, I’m so pissed about this primary. I think I will die mad about it. What a waste.

[punker1212]

Jan 13, 2020 5:13:06 GMT -6 Rebel said:

Small town communities take care of each other.....along racial lines. Which leads to a gap in the amount of support different people are receiving. And that is hard to fix because of racism.

I’ve lived in those small town communities and have seen that first hand.

And as far as that being a strength for Bernie because he wants to address those injustices and help....I would argue that most of the Democratic candidates want to fix this. I think this is a strength of the Democratic Party, not specifically Bernie.

This is a great point. There is about no diversity where I am right now. That being said, the mid size urban area I lived in was INCREDIBLY segregated, and I was blown away when I moved there. Having lived mostly in a small white town, we were taught that segregation was fixed by Dr. King in the 60s and had no way of verifying being in our little bubble. I was so shocked at the flagrant segregation I saw in the city and the strong history of white flight. This city was also a product of FDR’s redlining.

[dc2london]

Jan 13, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Allegedly Bernie told Liz in a meeting in 18 that 'a woman couldn't win'

I have heard a lot of women say this too

[punker1212]

Jan 13, 2020 12:24:23 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -6 Rebel said:

Hmmmmm where are you seeing this?

www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html


Warren hasn't commented. I would love to hear her speak on the veracity of these reports.

I’m a little concerned that she hasn’t commented. If it weren’t true wouldn’t she deny?

I always imagined there might be some bad blood after he didn’t get her endorsement in 2016.

[punker1212]

Jan 13, 2020 7:53:00 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Bernie's insistence he wants to remake the system would be more trustworthy if he weren't so consistently misogynist and racist. Time and again, he makes some jackass statement that gets set aside because he's "really going to shake up the system." Like, ok, if you want to ignore all of his issues, fine. I can't. It's exhausting how often his bullshit is conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

And how will he accomplish all his plans anyways? Work hand in hand with Democrats? Build meaningful coalitions with diverse stakeholders? He's not really even a Dem and I have very little confidence that this intractable old man has the ability to even begin to understand who to bring to the table to ensure these new ideas are well-thought through and will work for everyone.

The most likely scenario is he leads by EO. Which, JFC we really want another president freely wielding that EO? Pushing the powers of the executive branch even further? Maybe he does so in a few constructive ways this time...and how about the next time there's a Trump-like POTUS? How do you plan to push the line back? Because so far, there's been very little success in curtailing the seemingly endless expansion of the powers of the executive branch.

Is he better than Trump? I mean, sure? But damn that's a low bar.

I'm not holding out for the perfect candidate. I'm not doing a purity test. So please don't. But we need to be honest and frank about this man's shit. This isn't "elect whomever and trust them because Democrat." If he gets elected, he'll have to be held to account and I suspect that will be no small task.

Bottom line: is this the man I trust to remake the system? Hell fucking no.

(I have feelings this morning.)

I want to respond to you but thoughtfully because this is so sensitive and I get that. I’m definitely not trying to sway your opinion, just trying to bring a different perspective to the conversation.

The urban-rural divide is very real, even if it’s been mostly manufactured. I can empathize that if one is a die hard Democrat that’ Sanders would not have the same appeal. Many voters are independent, though, and many voters feel that both parties are beholden to corporate donors and that Sanders’ Independent status is actually appealing. They want to see someone who is working for them and not donors. Not all candidates have been that vocal about this, in my opinion.

So, even though much of the democratic platform aims to help them, there isn’t a lot of trust. Maybe I am naive, but I imagine most Democrats in office would welcome the opportunity to work on legislation without donor influence hanging over them.

[punker1212]

Jan 13, 2020 12:32:26 GMT -6 jaygee said:

Sad and mad about Booker.

You guys, I’m so pissed about this primary. I think I will die mad about it. What a waste.

I can’t help but wonder if the Republican experience was similar 4 years ago.

[jkjacq]

Jan 13, 2020 12:24:23 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -6 Rebel said:

Hmmmmm where are you seeing this?

www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html


Warren hasn't commented. I would love to hear her speak on the veracity of these reports.

I imagine if it is true, shes trying to thread a needle of confirming without calling him out

I have no doubts he said it.  I can almost HEAR the words in my head in his voice.  So it will be interesting to see what she has to say

[starbuck]

Jan 13, 2020 12:49:20 GMT -6 punker1212 said:

Jan 13, 2020 7:53:00 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Bernie's insistence he wants to remake the system would be more trustworthy if he weren't so consistently misogynist and racist. Time and again, he makes some jackass statement that gets set aside because he's "really going to shake up the system." Like, ok, if you want to ignore all of his issues, fine. I can't. It's exhausting how often his bullshit is conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

And how will he accomplish all his plans anyways? Work hand in hand with Democrats? Build meaningful coalitions with diverse stakeholders? He's not really even a Dem and I have very little confidence that this intractable old man has the ability to even begin to understand who to bring to the table to ensure these new ideas are well-thought through and will work for everyone.

The most likely scenario is he leads by EO. Which, JFC we really want another president freely wielding that EO? Pushing the powers of the executive branch even further? Maybe he does so in a few constructive ways this time...and how about the next time there's a Trump-like POTUS? How do you plan to push the line back? Because so far, there's been very little success in curtailing the seemingly endless expansion of the powers of the executive branch.

Is he better than Trump? I mean, sure? But damn that's a low bar.

I'm not holding out for the perfect candidate. I'm not doing a purity test. So please don't. But we need to be honest and frank about this man's shit. This isn't "elect whomever and trust them because Democrat." If he gets elected, he'll have to be held to account and I suspect that will be no small task.

Bottom line: is this the man I trust to remake the system? Hell fucking no.

(I have feelings this morning.)

I want to respond to you but thoughtfully because this is so sensitive and I get that. I’m definitely not trying to sway your opinion, just trying to bring a different perspective to the conversation.

The urban-rural divide is very real, even if it’s been mostly manufactured. I can empathize that if one is a die hard Democrat that’ Sanders would not have the same appeal. Many voters are independent, though, and many voters feel that both parties are beholden to corporate donors and that Sanders’ Independent status is actually appealing. They want to see someone who is working for them and not donors. Not all candidates have been that vocal about this, in my opinion.

So, even though much of the democratic platform aims to help them, there isn’t a lot of trust. Maybe I am naive, but I imagine most Democrats in office would welcome the opportunity to work on legislation without donor influence hanging over them.

I actually am an independent voter. No one who knows me IRL would classify me as a die-hard Dem voter. My note about him not working with Dems is more about his lack of a strong coalition in his own party (or at least, the party he aligns with for fundraising purposes) to get things done in any way other than extensive EOs, which is a nonstarter for me. 

The corporate donor angle is an interesting discussion because, on the one hand, of course I don't want corporate America running everything according to their own interests. But it's far more complicated and nuanced than "corporate money is bad and candidates taking corporate money will be corporate puppets." It also disadvantages candidates who aren't independently wealthy and don't have massive grassroots machine in place at the onset. (BTW Bloomberg is putting all his money where his mouth is, and has a track record of pouring his own cash into implementing his policies, does that make him the true independent candidate? I'm laughing.)

Some of what Bernie says makes sense and I agree with, but I disagree with him on more. In all fairness, I'm a moderate voter so that somewhat immediately sets me up to disagree with Bernie on many of his policies. 

His status as an independent in and of itself does not make him more appealing to me. At the end of they day he's still problematic AF and it is v v v v v well documented. He offers an upending of the system. But ultimately I think he would put in place a whole new system that is problematic in different (but ultimately very similar) ways. I get that we need to make some fairly big structural changes to the way we do things. I get that. I do not trust Bernie to lead these changes and achieve desirable outcomes.

I understand the very urgent need to vote 45 the hell out of office but I am deeply dissatisfied with the top candidates. This primary has been wrenching.

[punker1212]

Starbuck I hear you. I am personally and professionally exhausted with decades of deregulation and unchecked capitalism and public services being turned into a business model. And I think we are ALL beat up after the last few years of Trump!

[jkjacq]

I tend to agree with the statement of Bernie is very much the other side of the trump coin. I dont find him to be willing to compromise or not take credit for something, i.e. I WROTE THE DAMN BILL. Ok, you wrote it but many people have put ideas into it. Its not just YOUR bill.

I find it very much like my husband expects a damn parade for unloading the dishwasher after I've been out of town for a week and none of the dishes were mine to start with.

(Full disclosure I dont have a husband and if I did, I wouldn't after that because dammit you live here too)

[jaygee]

Jan 13, 2020 12:50:38 GMT -6 punker1212 said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:32:26 GMT -6 jaygee said:

Sad and mad about Booker.

You guys, I’m so pissed about this primary. I think I will die mad about it. What a waste.

I can’t help but wonder if the Republican experience was similar 4 years ago.

Yes. I mean their nominee probably should have been Jeb or Marco but Jeb ran a shit campaign and then the media went fucking sideways over what I swear to god I thought was a stunt campaign for T. I mean, I know I’m grossly over simplifying but my gosh.

And you know at the beginning of this primary I thought, well, this is good for the Dems - lots of qualified choices and a good robust debate on where we go post Hillary. But, alas, I’d like to go back to the days where we crown a winner before we start. It would be a lot less painful. Lol. Not really, but we need to find a better middle ground. Medium sized field of only serious contenders and it all starts the year of the election. That’s what Goldilocks me would like in the future.

[pearbear]

I am frustrated and bitter and want to scream and just ugh. This primary sucks. I can't even with the Bernie talk. Just can not even.

[pearbear]

I am being a total pessimist about everything at the moment, but I just have this awful feeling I'll be heading to the polls in November and the options staring back at me are going to be Trump and Bernie. Two loud, egotistical, white, men. It's 2020...when will it ever be a woman's turn?!

[punker1212]

I for sure didn’t mean to get anyone’s hackles up with the Bernie discussion. I always liked open discourse and have appreciated the viewpoints here but I think my timing was off and this is very raw for people. No sense in making further waves- we have more in common than not and mostly working toward the same goals!

[Dr. Cox]

I’m actually looking forward to voting for Liz now that she has Julian as her running mate. While I think she’s had missteps, she seems fairly willing to listen and change. I trust that she’ll include Julian’s policies, especially immigration and voter reform, into her platform. I honestly can’t see him endorsing her/running with her and not agreeing to that.

[blurnette989]

Jan 13, 2020 15:32:35 GMT -6 Dr. Cox said:

I’m actually looking forward to voting for Liz now that she has Julian as her running mate. While I think she’s had missteps, she seems fairly willing to listen and change. I trust that she’ll include Julian’s policies, especially immigration and voter reform, into her platform. I honestly can’t see him endorsing her/running with her and not agreeing to that.

Wait has that been announced? I thought he just endorsed her.

[jkjacq]

Jan 13, 2020 15:16:37 GMT -6 punker1212 said:

I for sure didn’t mean to get anyone’s hackles up with the Bernie discussion. I always liked open discourse and have appreciated the viewpoints here but I think my timing was off and this is very raw for people. No sense in making further waves- we have more in common than not and mostly working toward the same goals!

I appreciate your point of view punker1212, so please dont stop posting. 

Despite appearances I'm TRYING to listen, because I want to be supportive if he becomes the eventual nominee.  I am listening to you

[punker1212]

Jan 13, 2020 15:38:07 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Jan 13, 2020 15:16:37 GMT -6 punker1212 said:

I for sure didn’t mean to get anyone’s hackles up with the Bernie discussion. I always liked open discourse and have appreciated the viewpoints here but I think my timing was off and this is very raw for people. No sense in making further waves- we have more in common than not and mostly working toward the same goals!

I appreciate your point of view punker1212, so please dont stop posting. 

Despite appearances I'm TRYING to listen, because I want to be supportive if he becomes the eventual nominee.  I am listening to you

No worries I’m not going to stop posting! But no sense arguing details with people who are hurting 😊

[jaygee]

Jan 13, 2020 15:37:09 GMT -6 blurnette989 said:

Jan 13, 2020 15:32:35 GMT -6 Dr. Cox said:

I’m actually looking forward to voting for Liz now that she has Julian as her running mate. While I think she’s had missteps, she seems fairly willing to listen and change. I trust that she’ll include Julian’s policies, especially immigration and voter reform, into her platform. I honestly can’t see him endorsing her/running with her and not agreeing to that.

Wait has that been announced? I thought he just endorsed her.

This is all I’ve seen.

I trust Julian but I’m still having a hard time coming around to Warren. I’m leaning Biden. Which makes me want to scream.

[pearbear]

Jan 13, 2020 15:46:30 GMT -6 punker1212 said:

Jan 13, 2020 15:38:07 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

I appreciate your point of view punker1212 , so please dont stop posting. 

Despite appearances I'm TRYING to listen, because I want to be supportive if he becomes the eventual nominee.  I am listening to you

No worries I’m not going to stop posting! But no sense arguing details with people who are hurting 😊

No no, please don't let me derail you from posting! Despite my hissy fit above, I love debate and absolutely think different points of view are very important. I actually wish there were some conservatives who posted here for a really different point of view. I'm just venting today.