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Post by coconutbacon on Apr 25, 2019 9:45:49 GMT -6
I get not voting while currently in prison, but Are they also arguing that once out, they still shouldn’t be allowed to vote? Some do. State law is all over the place. Felons who have served time have to individually petition the governor in my state to regain the right to vote. There is precedent from the Supreme Court that it is constitutional for states to limit voting by felons, including after they have served their sentence. I’m curious if federal legislation to give the vote to felons, like Maxine Waters’ proposal, would stand up in court long term. Bringing lawsuits that state felon disenfranchisement laws are intentionally and systemically discriminatory may be a more productive approach. (Obviously we can pursue both strategies.) The only two states that allow felons to vote while incarcerated right now are ME and VT. I think that trying to get the vote for incarcerated felons is going to be an uphill battle in terms of public opinion. Many victims’ rights groups will fight it tooth and nail. I’m personally not going to blame candidates for being a bit ear-to-the-ground on this. I understand why people are emotional about this. But, if we never take someone's right to vote away, then there are no hurdles to restoring it. Anything that makes it more likely that a citizen can vote, I am for. |
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Post by coconutbacon on Apr 25, 2019 9:48:12 GMT -6
So, remember how Florida voted for restoring voting rights for convicted felons who served their time in the 2018 election? It was huge and historic and restored voting rights to approximately 1.4 million Floridians. Well, now they are doing everything to not uphold the will of the voters. They are trying to pass a bill that says voting rights can only be restored once all court fees, fines , etc are paid. Previous to this the amendment passing, people had to petition for their rights and the governor was basically the decider. The rate for restoring rights was so pathetically low. And there were so many hoops to jump through. Certain amount of time had to pass from when the sentence was completed, middle of the day court appearances with short notice. It was basically a program in name only because few people got their right to vote back. I listened to a podcast that profiled people going through the process and it was so sad and disheartening. It's disgusting, and feels very much like a poll tax or a means test. |
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Post by cakewench on Apr 25, 2019 10:14:59 GMT -6
So, remember how Florida voted for restoring voting rights for convicted felons who served their time in the 2018 election? It was huge and historic and restored voting rights to approximately 1.4 million Floridians. Well, now they are doing everything to not uphold the will of the voters. They are trying to pass a bill that says voting rights can only be restored once all court fees, fines , etc are paid. Previous to this the amendment passing, people had to petition for their rights and the governor was basically the decider. The rate for restoring rights was so pathetically low. And there were so many hoops to jump through. Certain amount of time had to pass from when the sentence was completed, middle of the day court appearances with short notice. It was basically a program in name only because few people got their right to vote back. I listened to a podcast that profiled people going through the process and it was so sad and disheartening. It's disgusting, and feels very much like a poll tax or a means test. It is a poll tax, and I suspect a prolonged legal battle if it passes. |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 25, 2019 13:03:20 GMT -6
Can I say that Joe does not look like the picture of health and vitality in his campaign video.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 25, 2019 13:11:26 GMT -6
AOCs thoughts mirror what I'm hearing from some of you
Also Im prepared to change my mind after finding out the RNC slammed the idea. Which is apparently where I have to now admit that I'm losing all my principles and want to be just as obstructionist as the right.
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Post by miawallace on Apr 25, 2019 13:51:47 GMT -6
I went to joes Instagram and I’m cringing and livid at letter placement.
I’m just like wow, who’s you’re team dumbass?
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Post by miawallace on Apr 25, 2019 13:52:30 GMT -6
I think I’m officially done with him.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 25, 2019 13:53:05 GMT -6
AOCs thoughts mirror what I'm hearing from some of you
Also Im prepared to change my mind after finding out the RNC slammed the idea. Which is apparently where I have to now admit that I'm losing all my principles and want to be just as obstructionist as the right.
I have to quarrel a bit with this: If somebody commits a serious crime, sexual assault, murder, they’re going to be punished,” Sanders said. “They may be in jail for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, their whole lives. That’s what happens when you commit a serious crime.” Sanders added that “the right to vote is inherent to our democracy” even when it comes to “terrible people.” But AOC thinks the important question is getting lost in the backlash to Sanders’ comments, and said so in a series of tweets this Thursday./endquote Equality is also fundamental to our democracy. And how well is that being served? And if you commit a serious crime, it only seems, to me, that you're likely to face serious consequences if you are non white and non wealthy. And if the white wealthy parts of our society have deemed your crime particularly problematic. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 25, 2019 13:57:41 GMT -6
Batshit Republican Twitter is FAHREAKING OUT over Biden.
They're terrified of him.
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Post by miawallace on Apr 25, 2019 14:08:23 GMT -6
like who the hell is in charge of his social media?
And then I see everyone defending him like they know him personally.
I’m in the twilight zone.
At this age there is just no room for this type of mistake. Like wow.
I’m talking about the N placed over Obama. Like wow.
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Post by elle on Apr 25, 2019 14:12:34 GMT -6
like who the hell is in charge of his social media? And then I see everyone defending him like they know him personally. I’m in the twilight zone. At this age there is just no room for this type of mistake. Like wow. I’m talking about the N placed over Obama. Like wow. Yikes. |
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Post by miawallace on Apr 25, 2019 14:15:05 GMT -6
I gasped when I saw the picture and then went to the comments and many people saw the same thing.
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Post by jaygee on Apr 25, 2019 14:39:06 GMT -6
AOCs thoughts mirror what I'm hearing from some of you
Also Im prepared to change my mind after finding out the RNC slammed the idea. Which is apparently where I have to now admit that I'm losing all my principles and want to be just as obstructionist as the right.
This is exactly how I felt when I saw the Fox News graphic. Like that’s how many votes? The vast majority that are disenfranchised by this are not white male serial killers/mass murderers. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 25, 2019 14:59:46 GMT -6
I gasped when I saw the picture and then went to the comments and many people saw the same thing. Welp, less diverse campaign leadership leads to predictable results. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 25, 2019 20:15:06 GMT -6
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Post by doublestuf on Apr 25, 2019 20:40:05 GMT -6
Gross. Bullshit. Dude (CNN), really? |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2019 4:34:01 GMT -6
Symone Sanders has joined Biden campaign.
That seems big.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2019 4:34:28 GMT -6
I gasped when I saw the picture and then went to the comments and many people saw the same thing. I don't have IG. Do you mind posting screenshots? |
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Post by coconutbacon on Apr 26, 2019 4:55:03 GMT -6
I gasped when I saw the picture and then went to the comments and many people saw the same thing. I don't have IG. Do you mind posting screenshots?   I don’t think he necessarily intended it as a racist dog whistle, but it’s a huge problem that this got past him and everyone in charge of his campaign. Like, it would have been so easy for him to change the order of the pictures and have the N appear across someone/ something else, so this never was an issue. That they didn’t think this through is a huge red flag. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2019 4:56:16 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 26, 2019 5:06:55 GMT -6
Symone Sanders has joined Biden campaign. That seems big. Wow she worked for Bernie last time |
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Post by cakewench on Apr 26, 2019 6:32:08 GMT -6
Michelle Kwan has also joined the Biden campaign:
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Post by notblanche on Apr 26, 2019 7:08:23 GMT -6
Shaaaaaaaaade
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Post by Minerva on Apr 26, 2019 7:23:03 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure this is largely in response to Shaun King’s Tweets/IGs/Fb posts yesterday.🔥
As someone who is neither a Bernie nor Biden fan, I’m just going to say I hope their people can move out of MAD mode and into making the case for their candidates. Right now, neither of them impress me much. Harris or Warren seem infinitely better.
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Post by byjove on Apr 26, 2019 7:26:22 GMT -6
Did not know that about Michelle Kwan.
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Post by jaygee on Apr 26, 2019 7:49:18 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Apr 26, 2019 7:50:24 GMT -6
Symone Sanders has joined Biden campaign. That seems big. I liked this take on that. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2019 8:05:28 GMT -6
Symone Sanders has joined Biden campaign. That seems big. I liked this take on that. EXACTLY |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2019 10:08:50 GMT -6
Big news out of Kansas Kansas Supreme Court rules state constitution protects abortion rights, a decision that could lead to challenges in other states www.washingtonpost.com/ |
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Post by coconutbacon on Apr 26, 2019 18:54:57 GMT -6
Joe is really not looking good: theslot.jezebel.com/heather-heyers-mother-had-no-idea-her-daughter-would-be-1834326929Apparently he never contacted Heather Hayer’s family about including her death in his campaign video. He called her mother 12 hours after it dropped. “I think he said something about ‘I would have reached out sooner, but I wasn’t sure how you’d feel,’” Bro said. “And I commented, ‘Yes, I noticed you didn’t mention her name, because you didn’t contact me.’ So we sort of acknowledged that much.” — Susan Bro, Hayer’s mother Wow. Wasn’t sure how she’d feel, so he didn’t bother finding out. Between this and the N over Obama, Joe is quickly moving from nice but clueless to entitled asshole category for me. |
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