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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 10:36:05 GMT -6
He said something about democrats not going to fox and brought up stats that the number one news source for most Americans is fox.
And the only guy who goes there to share Democrat viewpoints is what’s his face with the hair. From Indiana. Anyway. I thought that was true.
We like echo chambers.
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -6
I’ve been posting here for a while. I love this place and I love the back and forth and how conversations like this have forced me to look inward and check myself, many times. I have a problem with the delivery here, and nothing more than that. What I find annoying is that I actually agree with so much of what was said. I’ve said that now 800 times. If pointing out any other factor that could have had an impact on a person’s vote in 2016 besides the fact that they are a flaming racist or okay with a flaming racist and holding their nose while going to the ballot box makes it okay to put people in the extremist box when we have been posting with you for god knows how long, then I don’t know what I’m doing here. I honestly think (and I understand why) you are taking this as a personal thing. I think what she was saying is: if after all the conversations we've had in the last 2 years about racist family members, racism's role in Trump's win, etc, that this thread could not wrestle with what he said and have space to be critical of it, that's a problem for her. She's not putting you or misspatty in an extremist box. She was saying what was the point of having all those conversations if we - as a thread- then don't apply that lens when we look at a Presidential candidate who made a statement that speaks directly to those conversations. I will be clear and own my point of view, I have a problem with her. Not as much about what she said. Like I said, I agreed with her, and if pointing out any other factor is going to lead to a fucking diatribe then fuck. We can have a conversation. That wasn’t a conversation. That was a “fuck you, fuck them, fuck everyone who doesn’t see it 100% my way”. That’s how I feel about her posts a lot of the time actually. I will own that and let it be. |
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Post by Dr. Cox on Mar 31, 2019 10:42:46 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, I dislike Bill Maher a lot but he’s been delivering truth bombs past few weeks. He’s awful, but we need that discenting voice. We really are not going to do well in an echo chamber of the same sentiments. He’s offering a critical viewpoint and as irritating as he is, he’s right about some things and maybe we should consider those even if the source is annoying. I fully admit my first inclination to anything Bill Maher is “Fuck you, asshole!!” But you have a point. |
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 10:45:08 GMT -6
I honestly think (and I understand why) you are taking this as a personal thing. I think what she was saying is: if after all the conversations we've had in the last 2 years about racist family members, racism's role in Trump's win, etc, that this thread could not wrestle with what he said and have space to be critical of it, that's a problem for her. She's not putting you or misspatty in an extremist box. She was saying what was the point of having all those conversations if we - as a thread- then don't apply that lens when we look at a Presidential candidate who made a statement that speaks directly to those conversations. I will be clear and own my point of view, I have a problem with her. Not as much about what she said. Like I said, I agreed with her, and if pointing out any other factor is going to lead to a fucking diatribe then fuck. We can have a conversation. That wasn’t a conversation. That was a “fuck you, fuck them, fuck everyone who doesn’t see it 100% my way”. That’s how I feel about her posts a lot of the time actually. I will own that and let it be. Fair enough. I'm not someone who can pretend to like people I don't, so I cannot credibly encourage people to get along. |
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Post by jaygee on Mar 31, 2019 10:47:03 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, I dislike Bill Maher a lot but he’s been delivering truth bombs past few weeks. He’s awful, but we need that discenting voice. We really are not going to do well in an echo chamber of the same sentiments. He’s offering a critical viewpoint and as irritating as he is, he’s right about some things and maybe we should consider those even if the source is annoying. I feel the exact same way. I HATE Maher but H likes him and so he watches him. Dude makes some good points as much as I hate to admit it. He’s still a racist ass though. |
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 10:48:13 GMT -6
And I also think my last post is part of what misspatty was eluding to in her post about why we aren’t on the main part of the board anymore and over here. I can’t speak for her but when I read that I nodded.
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Post by Dr. Cox on Mar 31, 2019 10:48:39 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, I dislike Bill Maher a lot but he’s been delivering truth bombs past few weeks. He’s awful, but we need that discenting voice. We really are not going to do well in an echo chamber of the same sentiments. He’s offering a critical viewpoint and as irritating as he is, he’s right about some things and maybe we should consider those even if the source is annoying. I feel the exact same way. I HATE Maher but H likes him and so he watches him. Dude makes some good points as much as I hate to admit it. He’s still a racist ass though. Who dated Ann Coulter. 🤢 |
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Post by greykitty on Mar 31, 2019 10:55:34 GMT -6
I was actually encouraged by Rep. Ocasio-Cortez accepting Rep. Barr's invitation to visit a Kentucky coal mine - hoping it goes through as it seems like a glimmer of hope to me that maybe, just maybe, politicians (and people) on officially opposing sides can learn from each other and maybe cooperate enough to create better legislation. I can dream, but kudos to both representatives. Also, totally agree with miawallace. I love my own echo chambers and bubbles just so so much, but I try to listen outside them every now and again. |
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 10:55:49 GMT -6
I feel the exact same way. I HATE Maher but H likes him and so he watches him. Dude makes some good points as much as I hate to admit it. He’s still a racist ass though. Who dated Ann Coulter. 🤢 How did I not know that |
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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 11:06:38 GMT -6
I feel the exact same way. I HATE Maher but H likes him and so he watches him. Dude makes some good points as much as I hate to admit it. He’s still a racist ass though. Who dated Ann Coulter. 🤢 Bill your girlfriend woof |
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 11:09:59 GMT -6
Bill your girlfriend woof ::cranks up the woofmaker::  |
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Post by jaygee on Mar 31, 2019 11:18:18 GMT -6
Well, if we posted on the main board, I wouldn’t be here...so small silver linings?
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Post by jaygee on Mar 31, 2019 11:19:52 GMT -6
I always forget because it’s just like too much. It also makes me strongly believe that both of them are full of shit in their extreme personas. They probably laughed their asses off on their piles of money. |
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Post by Dr. Cox on Mar 31, 2019 11:22:35 GMT -6
I always forget because it’s just like too much. It also makes me strongly believe that both of them are full of shit in their extreme personas. They probably laughed their asses off on their piles of money. They picked a money-making lane. I fully believe they are both extreme narcissists with no souls or conscience. |
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Post by Dr. Cox on Mar 31, 2019 11:24:25 GMT -6
I like not being on the main board. I also think the general feelings towards us by some over there are OTT, unwarranted, and mean-spirited, so I’m cool with having our own corner.
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 11:26:31 GMT -6
And I also think my last post is part of what misspatty was eluding to in her post about why we aren’t on the main part of the board anymore and over here. I can’t speak for her but when I read that I nodded. I hesitate to even get into this because posting about where/how people post is generally mind-numbing to me, but haven't we been a separate board the entire time? Last time I was in a board argument about the politics board (long time ago) it was that we're an echo chamber. Are you saying that we're too argumentative now and that's why people don't post? Because while I like Mayor Pete a great deal, this thread has taken on a pro-Pete momentum of late (which I think is natural that there will be different surges in interest in different candidates at different points). |
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 11:30:01 GMT -6
I like not being on the main board. I also think the general feelings towards us by some over there are OTT, unwarranted, and mean-spirited, so I’m cool with having our own corner. Oh, this makes me feel like I've probably missed stuff on parenting and hence my confusion, so you can disregard my last post ladybrienne. I'm back to being anti-posting about posting. |
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Post by Dr. Cox on Mar 31, 2019 11:33:54 GMT -6
I like not being on the main board. I also think the general feelings towards us by some over there are OTT, unwarranted, and mean-spirited, so I’m cool with having our own corner. Oh, this makes me feel like I've probably missed stuff on parenting and hence my confusion, so you can disregard my last post ladybrienne. I'm back to being anti-posting about posting. It’s not really changed. An echo chamber, the sky is falling attitude, and fake woke, etc. A lot of the same jabs by the same posters. Which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, it’s just annoying. |
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 11:46:46 GMT -6
And I also think my last post is part of what misspatty was eluding to in her post about why we aren’t on the main part of the board anymore and over here. I can’t speak for her but when I read that I nodded. I hesitate to even get into this because posting about where/how people post is generally mind-numbing to me, but haven't we been a separate board the entire time? Last time I was in a board argument about the politics board (long time ago) it was that we're an echo chamber. Are you saying that we're too argumentative now and that's why people don't post? Because while I like Mayor Pete a great deal, this thread has taken on a pro-Pete momentum of late (which I think is natural that there will be different surges in interest in different candidates at different points). No I just remember that people thought we were like OTT a lot and that’s why they didn’t participate. When we were on the last board, TCF, we just had a thread in parenting. I like this set up better 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 31, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -6
Well shit I missed a lot today. I was planning to come with all the articles that explicitly discuss how it was racism not economic anxiety that led people to Trump. Seems I am late.
Seriously bummed that @heartbot is gone.
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 11:55:30 GMT -6
I like not being on the main board. I also think the general feelings towards us by some over there are OTT, unwarranted, and mean-spirited, so I’m cool with having our own corner. Oh, this makes me feel like I've probably missed stuff on parenting and hence my confusion, so you can disregard my last post ladybrienne. I'm back to being anti-posting about posting. Lol to your last sentence |
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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 12:01:29 GMT -6
I personally don’t think you guys are ott. It can definitely be an echo chamber though.
I do follow the threads. I don’t always comment because I find the Twitter part confusing, so I find it hard to contribute. I do keep up in my own ways and whenever something stands out and try to see if you guys are talking about it too.
I will say, this. I participate in Latinx politics board I found online and the way we talk politics is so different. So switching sometimes is hard for me because of how it’s set up here.
Not saying you guys should change. Just what I’ve experienced talking to different groups of liberals. So there is definitely a divide even between liberals which worries me if I’m honest.
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 12:05:33 GMT -6
I hesitate to even get into this because posting about where/how people post is generally mind-numbing to me, but haven't we been a separate board the entire time? Last time I was in a board argument about the politics board (long time ago) it was that we're an echo chamber. Are you saying that we're too argumentative now and that's why people don't post? Because while I like Mayor Pete a great deal, this thread has taken on a pro-Pete momentum of late (which I think is natural that there will be different surges in interest in different candidates at different points). No I just remember that people thought we were like OTT a lot and that’s why they didn’t participate. When we were on the last board, TCF, we just had a thread in parenting. I like this set up better 🤷🏻♀️ Well a new episode of Veep is on tonight, so I may get a little OTT. Apologies in advance. |
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Post by richard on Mar 31, 2019 12:13:49 GMT -6
I personally don’t think you guys are ott. It can definitely be an echo chamber though. I do follow the threads. I don’t always comment because I find the Twitter part confusing, so I find it hard to contribute. I do keep up in my own ways and whenever something stands out and try to see if you guys are talking about it too. I will say, this. I participate in Latinx politics board I found online and the way we talk politics is so different. So switching sometimes is hard for me because of how it’s set up here. Not saying you guys should change. Just what I’ve experienced talking to different groups of liberals. So there is definitely a divide even between liberals which worries me if I’m honest. I meant to say this earlier when you said you feel clumsy with words sometimes, but I very much like when you post here. I really do prefer to just let everyone post however/wherever they want so I try not to pressure people who swing through every once in a while to post more often. But I enjoy it when they're inclined to do so. |
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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 12:25:20 GMT -6
I personally don’t think you guys are ott. It can definitely be an echo chamber though. I do follow the threads. I don’t always comment because I find the Twitter part confusing, so I find it hard to contribute. I do keep up in my own ways and whenever something stands out and try to see if you guys are talking about it too. I will say, this. I participate in Latinx politics board I found online and the way we talk politics is so different. So switching sometimes is hard for me because of how it’s set up here. Not saying you guys should change. Just what I’ve experienced talking to different groups of liberals. So there is definitely a divide even between liberals which worries me if I’m honest. I meant to say this earlier when you said you feel clumsy with words sometimes, but I very much like when you post here. I really do prefer to just let everyone post however/wherever they want so I try not to pressure people who swing through every once in a while to post more often. But I enjoy it when they're inclined to do so. Thank you. I’ll try to post more. I lose myself in FanFiction and my Instagram holes that I haven’t been able to keep posting here. But I will. |
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 31, 2019 12:26:11 GMT -6
No I just remember that people thought we were like OTT a lot and that’s why they didn’t participate. When we were on the last board, TCF, we just had a thread in parenting. I like this set up better 🤷🏻♀️ Well a new episode of Veep is on tonight, so I may get a little OTT. Apologies in advance. I watch the West Wing to stay sane. I’m with you. Lolz |
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 31, 2019 12:52:47 GMT -6
I personally don’t think you guys are ott. It can definitely be an echo chamber though. I do follow the threads. I don’t always comment because I find the Twitter part confusing, so I find it hard to contribute. I do keep up in my own ways and whenever something stands out and try to see if you guys are talking about it too. I will say, this. I participate in Latinx politics board I found online and the way we talk politics is so different. So switching sometimes is hard for me because of how it’s set up here. Not saying you guys should change. Just what I’ve experienced talking to different groups of liberals. So there is definitely a divide even between liberals which worries me if I’m honest. I'd really love to hear how we differ. Given that part of our echo chamber is because we are 99.9% white women, itd be great to hear those perspective z here. |
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Post by jaygee on Mar 31, 2019 12:54:52 GMT -6
I personally don’t think you guys are ott. It can definitely be an echo chamber though. I do follow the threads. I don’t always comment because I find the Twitter part confusing, so I find it hard to contribute. I do keep up in my own ways and whenever something stands out and try to see if you guys are talking about it too. I will say, this. I participate in Latinx politics board I found online and the way we talk politics is so different. So switching sometimes is hard for me because of how it’s set up here. Not saying you guys should change. Just what I’ve experienced talking to different groups of liberals. So there is definitely a divide even between liberals which worries me if I’m honest. I'd really love to hear how we differ. Given that part of our echo chamber is because we are 99.9% white women, itd be great to hear those perspective z here. +1 I am pretty plugged in to Black twitter (well as plugged in as a middle aged white woman can be) but I’m interested in hearing the different perspectives. |
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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 13:27:40 GMT -6
One of the major differences I have found actually michael Che mentioned it last night on SNL. The toxic white optism. Brown and black folks aren’t optimistic about politics. I think it’s part of how white supremacy has affected us as a whole.
For instance, one topic that came up last week was how some people don’t give a fuck about the planet and why some candidates on both sides aren’t being more serious about this. It came up with something Megan McCain said and Most of us agreed with her.
Poor folks, Poc and black folks aren’t going to vote with this as their top stance. Not that it isn’t important or even real. But it’s just not even on the radar when your humanity in this country isn’t being even acknowledged - so who cares about the earth. Get where I’m drifting to?
I know the earth is in bad shape, but my people think of that as a white people slash elite liberal thing. Meaning, another disconnect between liberals. And I’m pretty sure many white poor folks feel the same. Which In tne end will further alienate the country.
It’s very multi layered. But we always reference 2016. We also reference 2018 even though it seemed like we won a lot. White women were still white women and we think they still will do that for 2020.
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Post by miawallace on Mar 31, 2019 13:34:41 GMT -6
The toxic white optism is that whenever something negative is said about our particular party or person white folks shut it down. THere’s no room to discuss anything because we are eating our own or being negative. Maybe thats a coping mechanism. But it’s not helpful. So then poc and black folks or other disenfranchised people continue the resentment and the divide. Or we feel invalidated because it’s causes unpleasant feelings for the main group.
We’ve had crazy discussion with my group about Hillary and aoc and Kamala in that group. The main difference i see is that everyone and everything is up for discussion. No one is safe or exempt for scrutiny. But we still will vote for the lesser of evils at the end of the day.
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