2020 Candidate Speculation

[byjove]

I'm not sold on Pete yet. He reminds me a lot of Tom Periello from VA, and you all know I am a huge fan, but he has a hard time winning elections. He gets so close so often, but...

[CurlieWhirlie]

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

[jkjacq]

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I'm still closely following Kamala and Amy.   They just dont seem to 'be' out there, especially Amy, some of that is press coverage, some of it is they just aren't making splashy speeches.

I watched Gillibrands speech in front of 45s tower this weekend.  I have trouble getting past her blue dog past however, and it would be the same if she were male.  Its a thing I'm aware of.

I really REALLY would prefer to have Liz (and Cory) stay in the Senate. 

Pete just has 'something' thats not quantified that makes me want him to be my leader.  its the It factor and like it or not, male or female, he has it.

[jaygee]

Mar 26, 2019 11:02:43 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I'm still closely following Kamala and Amy.   They just dont seem to 'be' out there, especially Amy, some of that is press coverage, some of it is they just aren't making splashy speeches.

I watched Gillibrands speech in front of 45s tower this weekend.  I have trouble getting past her blue dog past however, and it would be the same if she were male.  Its a thing I'm aware of.

I really REALLY would prefer to have Liz (and Cory) stay in the Senate. 

Pete just has 'something' thats not quantified that makes me want him to be my leader.  its the It factor and like it or not, male or female, he has it.

I don’t know about Amy, but Senator Harris is out there doing all the things. She’s not getting half the press coverage Beto, Biden, Pete are getting. It’s discouraging.

[jkjacq]

Mar 26, 2019 11:12:13 GMT -6 jaygee said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:02:43 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

I'm still closely following Kamala and Amy.   They just dont seem to 'be' out there, especially Amy, some of that is press coverage, some of it is they just aren't making splashy speeches.

I watched Gillibrands speech in front of 45s tower this weekend.  I have trouble getting past her blue dog past however, and it would be the same if she were male.  Its a thing I'm aware of.

I really REALLY would prefer to have Liz (and Cory) stay in the Senate. 

Pete just has 'something' thats not quantified that makes me want him to be my leader.  its the It factor and like it or not, male or female, he has it.

I don’t know about Amy, but Senator Harris is out there doing all the things. She’s not getting half the press coverage Beto, Biden, Pete are getting. It’s discouraging.

I agree I posted an article about her yesterday because its not getting coverage.

And I love her.  But again, she doesn't excite me when I listen to her.   She makes sense, I like her words, and I definitely want to hear more, but from the gut she doesnt pull me.

[misspatty]

Mar 26, 2019 11:12:13 GMT -6 jaygee said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:02:43 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

I'm still closely following Kamala and Amy.   They just dont seem to 'be' out there, especially Amy, some of that is press coverage, some of it is they just aren't making splashy speeches.

I watched Gillibrands speech in front of 45s tower this weekend.  I have trouble getting past her blue dog past however, and it would be the same if she were male.  Its a thing I'm aware of.

I really REALLY would prefer to have Liz (and Cory) stay in the Senate. 

Pete just has 'something' thats not quantified that makes me want him to be my leader.  its the It factor and like it or not, male or female, he has it.

I don’t know about Amy, but Senator Harris is out there doing all the things. She’s not getting half the press coverage Beto, Biden, Pete are getting. It’s discouraging.

... like pledging not to go to the AIPAC conference and then having a meeting with them in her office about "Israel's right to defend itself"?


I like Kamala, but her tweet really concerns me. A lot. I value your opinion so I'm genuinely curious what you think about it.

[dc2london]

Mar 26, 2019 8:55:39 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Mar 26, 2019 6:56:25 GMT -6 ladybrienne said:

I mean won't they technically be fossils by then?

They'll have skipped right past fossil and be transformed into oil under the massive weight of Bernie's ego. And the GOP will frack them.

This has killed me dead.

[dc2london]

Mar 26, 2019 11:02:43 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I'm still closely following Kamala and Amy.   They just dont seem to 'be' out there, especially Amy, some of that is press coverage, some of it is they just aren't making splashy speeches.

I watched Gillibrands speech in front of 45s tower this weekend.  I have trouble getting past her blue dog past however, and it would be the same if she were male.  Its a thing I'm aware of.

I really REALLY would prefer to have Liz (and Cory) stay in the Senate. 

Pete just has 'something' thats not quantified that makes me want him to be my leader.  its the It factor and like it or not, male or female, he has it.

Kamala attracted a crowd of 2400 people this weekend.
ITSELF just that everyone is obsessing over Biden and Beto.

[dc2london]

Amy came stomping into the ERPO hearing today snapping at a staffer and looking ready to kill. I was 8 inches away and was very 😳😳😳😳

Then Cory came in grinning, pelvis first, looking like a toddler whom heard the word "cookie."
It was quite the juxtaposition.

[starbuck]

Mar 26, 2019 11:53:24 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Amy came stomping into the ERPO hearing today snapping at a staffer and looking ready to kill. I was 8 inches away and was very 😳😳😳😳

Then Cory came in grinning, pelvis first, looking like a toddler whom heard the word "cookie."
It was quite the juxtaposition.

Every time I hear another story about Amy's temper I die a little inside.

[dc2london]

Mar 26, 2019 11:57:05 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:53:24 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Amy came stomping into the ERPO hearing today snapping at a staffer and looking ready to kill. I was 8 inches away and was very 😳😳😳😳

Then Cory came in grinning, pelvis first, looking like a toddler whom heard the word "cookie."
It was quite the juxtaposition.

Every time I hear another story about Amy's temper I die a little inside.

Agreed.
The last time I saw her acting like that it was the day the Franken thing broke so I thought she was just stressed.

[misspatty]

Mar 26, 2019 11:57:05 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:53:24 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Amy came stomping into the ERPO hearing today snapping at a staffer and looking ready to kill. I was 8 inches away and was very 😳😳😳😳

Then Cory came in grinning, pelvis first, looking like a toddler whom heard the word "cookie."
It was quite the juxtaposition.

Every time I hear another story about Amy's temper I die a little inside.

Lol same. It’s so... extreme. Somebody get Amy to a yoga class or something because while I really like her, you can’t go around treating people like that.

[starbuck]

Mar 26, 2019 12:05:08 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:57:05 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Every time I hear another story about Amy's temper I die a little inside.

Agreed.
The last time I saw her acting like that it was the day the Franken thing broke so I thought she was just stressed.

I imagine that constantly having these stories about her temper breaking (some fairly, some unfairly) rather than her policies, she's in a weird place. But still. Too much, Amy.

[jaygee]

Mar 26, 2019 11:22:43 GMT -6 misspatty said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:12:13 GMT -6 jaygee said:

I don’t know about Amy, but Senator Harris is out there doing all the things. She’s not getting half the press coverage Beto, Biden, Pete are getting. It’s discouraging.

... like pledging not to go to the AIPAC conference and then having a meeting with them in her office about "Israel's right to defend itself"?


I like Kamala, but her tweet really concerns me. A lot. I value your opinion so I'm genuinely curious what you think about it.

At this point without further comment from Senator Harris I believe the optics are not great on having a private meeting with AIPAC leaders and tweeting it out like that.

I would like to hear more about what the conversation entailed. Maybe she challenged them on issues? Maybe the CA chapter of AIPAC operates differently? Idk. It’s not a great look but I’m not canceling her over this. I trust her and feel she has her reasons for taking this meeting. But I’m no expert and maybe she is just trying to play both sides, which would be super disappointing.

[ladybrienne]

Mayor Pete just.......does not feel like every other politician to me. He doesn't use the buzz words, he feels incredibly genuine to me more so than any other candidate. He's smart AF but down to earth.

This is someone who fought for his country, but his country wouldn't even recognize his love and commitment to his partner for some time. And he has continued to serve his country in a multitude of ways. Small and big.

He is the real deal to me. Maybe he doesn't do great in the debates and maybe he falls behind, but the fact of the matter is that we need, desperately need more politicians like him. Desperately.

[jkjacq]

Mar 26, 2019 12:05:08 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Mar 26, 2019 11:57:05 GMT -6 starbuck said:

Every time I hear another story about Amy's temper I die a little inside.

Agreed.
The last time I saw her acting like that it was the day the Franken thing broke so I thought she was just stressed.

Is she wearing a hot pink top?

they are doing the vote to confirm Bade and since I'm watching on my phone I cant see very well

but she(or that person) voted no and stomped away from the clerk

[misspatty]

Mar 26, 2019 12:26:24 GMT -6 ladybrienne said:

Mayor Pete just.......does not feel like every other politician to me. He doesn't use the buzz words, he feels incredibly genuine to me more so than any other candidate. He's smart AF but down to earth.

This is someone who fought for his country, but his country wouldn't even recognize his love and commitment to his partner for some time. And he has continued to serve his country in a multitude of ways. Small and big.

He is the real deal to me. Maybe he doesn't do great in the debates and maybe he falls behind, but the fact of the matter is that we need, desperately need more politicians like him. Desperately.

I obviously emphatically agree with this and am Team Pete always and forever, but I will say I appreciate all the differing POV and don't want anyone to feel like they have to support a certain candidate. Hopefully I'm not coming off that way. 


See, Pete is teaching me to be better about listening to other people, and that's why he's the best. Lol. 

[dc2london]

Mar 26, 2019 12:31:26 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Mar 26, 2019 12:05:08 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Agreed.
The last time I saw her acting like that it was the day the Franken thing broke so I thought she was just stressed.

Is she wearing a hot pink top?

they are doing the vote to confirm Bade and since I'm watching on my phone I cant see very well

but she(or that person) voted no and stomped away from the clerk

She was wearing a pink jacket today

[teatime]

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

[CurlieWhirlie]

Mar 26, 2019 13:12:31 GMT -6 teatime said:

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

I'm not at all implying that anyone here is supporting him over a woman because he's a white man. But collectively as a society it does seem like we're more interested in any white man over women or people of color. I'm not saying you personally support him for that reason.

[jaygee]

Mar 26, 2019 13:12:31 GMT -6 teatime said:

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

I get it. And I don’t think individuals, especially here, are purposely showing bias towards him because he’s a white male.

But I think we have to acknowledge the media bias towards white male candidates and demand better. It comes across in big ways - just plain lack of coverage and more nuanced but equally frustrating ways like giving credit to male candidates for other people’s ideas and work, praising male candidates for things that are a barrier to even enter for woman (education, experience), focusing excessively on apparence, health, relationships of female candidates.

I think this critique is constructive both in the media and in checking our own internal biases. I went through a phase of feeling like only a white male could have a chance at beating T and I had to unpack what internalized supremacy had brought me to that feeling.

[roloma]

Mar 26, 2019 13:12:31 GMT -6 teatime said:

Mar 26, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I really like Mayor Pete but it bums me out that we're collectively so much more interested in literally any white man than the many women running.

I'm still team Kamala.

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

I've been sitting on my hands trying to come up with a response to that.  I did a dog head tilt thing reading that.  I don't believe that any one here is thinking "Oh thank goodness there is a white man to like...I couldn't support a woman."  But I also can't figure out if that was a collectively here or collectively on a wider scope.  But at any rate, Pete has my support right now for who he is as a candidate, not because he is a white man.  I quite like Kamala but she hasn't shown me that "extra" something thus far.  I haven't cancelled anyone because of my support for Pete, and I certainly don't support him because he is a white man.  I don't think it is fair to assume we should overlook him just because there are women and/or POC running.

ETA: I just read the response upthread and realize it was the "wider scope" approach.  Some of what I have here still rings true, however.

[CurlieWhirlie]

Mar 26, 2019 13:33:36 GMT -6 roloma said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:12:31 GMT -6 teatime said:

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

I've been sitting on my hands trying to come up with a response to that.  I did a dog head tilt thing reading that.  I don't believe that any one here is thinking "Oh thank goodness there is a white man to like...I couldn't support a woman."  But I also can't figure out if that was a collectively here or collectively on a wider scope.  But at any rate, Pete has my support right now for who he is as a candidate, not because he is a white man.  I quite like Kamala but she hasn't shown me that "extra" something thus far.  I haven't cancelled anyone because of my support for Pete, and I certainly don't support him because he is a white man.  I don't think it is fair to assume we should overlook him just because there are women and/or POC running.

ETA: I just read the response upthread and realize it was the "wider scope" approach.  Some of what I have here still rings true, however.

I would argue that Kamala hasn't been given the media coverage with which to show you that "extra" something. Which is part of the problem and ends up making Pete look like he is going the extra mile and is this amazing person while meanwhile Kamala is just as amazing but just isn't getting the same coverage, and when she does get coverage, it's half the time about what she's wearing. Know what I mean? So the end result is you, the individual, feel like Pete has shown you more, when in reality it's that you are being shown a narrative by the media coverage and that is determined by implicit biases of the people crafting the narrative.

Does that make sense?

[CurlieWhirlie]

And hey, I just want to reiterate, I will happily skip to the polls whistling a happy tune to vote for Pete if he gets the nomination.

[ladybrienne]

Right now I am donating small amounts to those I align with most.......Pete, Kamala, and Beto.

They will continue to get my monies for a while because I like different aspects of each candidate.

But Pete is my front runner right now.

[teatime]

Mar 26, 2019 13:24:21 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:12:31 GMT -6 teatime said:

I’m not interested in Mayor Pete because he’s a white man. He genuinely seems like an interesting candidate. I really like what Warren and Harris have to say (I want to see how the AIPAC thing shakes out). But right now? Pete has my attention.

I’m just not enjoying the mayor Pete fans are “collectively so much more interested in literally any white man” narrative.

I'm not at all implying that anyone here is supporting him over a woman because he's a white man. But collectively as a society it does seem like we're more interested in any white man over women or people of color. I'm not saying you personally support him for that reason.

I read “collectively” as this board, not the country at large.

I’m wary of an argument for taking down any strong democratic candidate because he’s a man, as it feels like another way to divide democrats. We just saw this with the Twitter “outrage” over Mayor Pete’s commentary on voting for policies and making elections about the party and not the individual.

It is incredibly frustrating that the attention female candidates receive is less than and largely not as flattering as what men receive. I wish the work Warren has done for the good of the consumer public had gotten a fraction of the attention that Klobuchar’s eating a salad with a comb story did. So I’m with you and jaygee on that point.

[jkjacq]

Mar 26, 2019 13:38:53 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:33:36 GMT -6 roloma said:

I've been sitting on my hands trying to come up with a response to that.  I did a dog head tilt thing reading that.  I don't believe that any one here is thinking "Oh thank goodness there is a white man to like...I couldn't support a woman."  But I also can't figure out if that was a collectively here or collectively on a wider scope.  But at any rate, Pete has my support right now for who he is as a candidate, not because he is a white man.  I quite like Kamala but she hasn't shown me that "extra" something thus far.  I haven't cancelled anyone because of my support for Pete, and I certainly don't support him because he is a white man.  I don't think it is fair to assume we should overlook him just because there are women and/or POC running.

ETA: I just read the response upthread and realize it was the "wider scope" approach.  Some of what I have here still rings true, however.

I would argue that Kamala hasn't been given the media coverage with which to show you that "extra" something. Which is part of the problem and ends up making Pete look like he is going the extra mile and is this amazing person while meanwhile Kamala is just as amazing but just isn't getting the same coverage, and when she does get coverage, it's half the time about what she's wearing. Know what I mean? So the end result is you, the individual, feel like Pete has shown you more, when in reality it's that you are being shown a narrative by the media coverage and that is determined by implicit biases of the people crafting the narrative.

Does that make sense?

For the record, I was listening to something somewhere and they went IN DEPTH about what Pete wears on the trail.

No jacket, sleeves rolled up in a white shirt with a solid color tie.


I will agree Kamala is not getting the same media attention as him.  That said, I have listened to her.  AND read her stuff.  Maybe its the lawyer in her, but she is not an inspiring speaker in my opinion.  She is smart, she has super instincts, I like what she is currently saying about teacher pay.  But there is a lack of...something.   And again, it could be the restraint she is used to showing in a courtroom that keeps her pretty laser focused and measured.
So I try to focus on the what and not the how/delivery.    
I would support her fully on the ticket and I'm in no way tossing my Kamala bag or stickers. 

[misspatty]

Mar 26, 2019 13:38:53 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:33:36 GMT -6 roloma said:

I've been sitting on my hands trying to come up with a response to that.  I did a dog head tilt thing reading that.  I don't believe that any one here is thinking "Oh thank goodness there is a white man to like...I couldn't support a woman."  But I also can't figure out if that was a collectively here or collectively on a wider scope.  But at any rate, Pete has my support right now for who he is as a candidate, not because he is a white man.  I quite like Kamala but she hasn't shown me that "extra" something thus far.  I haven't cancelled anyone because of my support for Pete, and I certainly don't support him because he is a white man.  I don't think it is fair to assume we should overlook him just because there are women and/or POC running.

ETA: I just read the response upthread and realize it was the "wider scope" approach.  Some of what I have here still rings true, however.

I would argue that Kamala hasn't been given the media coverage with which to show you that "extra" something. Which is part of the problem and ends up making Pete look like he is going the extra mile and is this amazing person while meanwhile Kamala is just as amazing but just isn't getting the same coverage, and when she does get coverage, it's half the time about what she's wearing. Know what I mean? So the end result is you, the individual, feel like Pete has shown you more, when in reality it's that you are being shown a narrative by the media coverage and that is determined by implicit biases of the people crafting the narrative.

Does that make sense?

I mean, Kamala's position in the senate gives her far more of a platform to make an impression than Pete's does as Mayor of a midsize midwestern town. People saw her question Brett Kavanaugh and take on Jeff Sessions. I'm not going to argue that there aren't obvious issues with media bias, because of course there are, but I truly think Pete is making more of a splash right now because this is the first most people are hearing from him. I already knew a lot of the backstory about Kamala and the other candidates. 

[CurlieWhirlie]

Mar 26, 2019 13:50:15 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:38:53 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

I would argue that Kamala hasn't been given the media coverage with which to show you that "extra" something. Which is part of the problem and ends up making Pete look like he is going the extra mile and is this amazing person while meanwhile Kamala is just as amazing but just isn't getting the same coverage, and when she does get coverage, it's half the time about what she's wearing. Know what I mean? So the end result is you, the individual, feel like Pete has shown you more, when in reality it's that you are being shown a narrative by the media coverage and that is determined by implicit biases of the people crafting the narrative.

Does that make sense?

For the record, I was listening to something somewhere and they went IN DEPTH about what Pete wears on the trail.

No jacket, sleeves rolled up in a white shirt with a solid color tie.


I will agree Kamala is not getting the same media attention as him.  That said, I have listened to her.  AND read her stuff.  Maybe its the lawyer in her, but she is not an inspiring speaker in my opinion.  She is smart, she has super instincts, I like what she is currently saying about teacher pay.  But there is a lack of...something.   And again, it could be the restraint she is used to showing in a courtroom that keeps her pretty laser focused and measured.
So I try to focus on the what and not the how/delivery.    
I would support her fully on the ticket and I'm in no way tossing my Kamala bag or stickers. 

I do think that female candidates have to walk a finer line when it comes to how enthusiastic or grandstandy they can seem. I know we as a board have discussed this at length wrt Hillary.

But like if I listen to Kamala on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah back to back with Mayor Pete on PSA, I think their performances are very similar! They are both pretty inspiring.

Generally I find the democratic field very exciting right now and I hope it can stay this way and not devolve into attacks and mudslinging.

[misspatty]

Mar 26, 2019 14:01:44 GMT -6 CurlieWhirlie said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:50:15 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

For the record, I was listening to something somewhere and they went IN DEPTH about what Pete wears on the trail.

No jacket, sleeves rolled up in a white shirt with a solid color tie.


I will agree Kamala is not getting the same media attention as him.  That said, I have listened to her.  AND read her stuff.  Maybe its the lawyer in her, but she is not an inspiring speaker in my opinion.  She is smart, she has super instincts, I like what she is currently saying about teacher pay.  But there is a lack of...something.   And again, it could be the restraint she is used to showing in a courtroom that keeps her pretty laser focused and measured.
So I try to focus on the what and not the how/delivery.    
I would support her fully on the ticket and I'm in no way tossing my Kamala bag or stickers. 

Generally I find the democratic field very exciting right now and I hope it can stay this way and not devolve into attacks and mudslinging.

Politics board unity horse!