Dr. Cox
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Post by Dr. Cox on Feb 19, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -6
I do not understand how in 2019, tweets are not combed through before major hiring decisions are made. This is such a bad look for CNN.
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Post by layloo on Feb 19, 2019 12:35:05 GMT -6
Screenshot of screenshot text to MH. I’ve gushed enough about her to him! I’ll keep him.
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Post by charlotte on Feb 19, 2019 12:37:03 GMT -6
I don't even care that Bernie is old. I'd have the same shanado dog face about him if he were a strapping young 45-year old. He is a blowhard, he's got some creeping sexist and racist behavior, and he DOESN'T LISTEN. This. GDI Bernie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:31:13 GMT -6
Mass Gov announces plan to challenge 45
This is weird, but I'm cool with it since it'll mean Trump will have to spend time, energy, and money campaigning against him and not just the dems. Also when I texted the above sentiment to ladybrienne this morning she was like "...who?" So his campaign is off to a stellar start. lol. This was essentially our conversation with friends this weekend. Former Mass governor... who? Deval? No. Romney! No! Well who then? Silence. Legitimately none of us could come up with his name. I had to look it up later. He was governor right after Dukakis. That was some time ago. He is apparently a very moderate republican but doesn’t seem to have the charisma to really challenge trump. Hopefully I’m wrong.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 19, 2019 13:39:58 GMT -6
So the DNC came up with new metrics this year for the debate. I think they should have added a 3rd.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE A DEMOCRAT.
Let Bernie sit on a stage and debate himself in the Independent debates.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 19, 2019 13:43:25 GMT -6
Ana Navarro "I would vote for a cactus" She seems to like Amy because she is closer to the center.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Feb 19, 2019 13:51:46 GMT -6
So, this weekend I learned that my SIL is good friends with a new Member of Congress (one of this year's freshmen), a woman who has worked for both Harris and Warren in her career. Caveated with "she will support whoever the Dem nominee is", turns out this woman does not really like Harris. She's not mean like Klobuchar but she isn't friendly and kind to her staff, and Warren is someone who genuinely makes people want to follow her. I still really like Harris and I don't think you should have to be "nice" to be a good president (especially as a woman where that seems to be a requirement, along with "likeable"), but this news made me sad and has given me a bit of pause.
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Post by lemondrop on Feb 19, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -6
This is weird, but I'm cool with it since it'll mean Trump will have to spend time, energy, and money campaigning against him and not just the dems. Also when I texted the above sentiment to ladybrienne this morning she was like "...who?" So his campaign is off to a stellar start. lol. This was essentially our conversation with friends this weekend. Former Mass governor... who? Deval? No. Romney! No! Well who then? Silence. Legitimately none of us could come up with his name. I had to look it up later. He was governor right after Dukakis. That was some time ago. He is apparently a very moderate republican but doesn’t seem to have the charisma to really challenge trump. Hopefully I’m wrong. I had this convo with some friends about Weld (as a former Bostonian myself). We actually all agreed that we could see Charlie Baker running (and winning).
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 19, 2019 13:58:29 GMT -6
So, this weekend I learned that my SIL is good friends with a new Member of Congress (one of this year's freshmen), a woman who has worked for both Harris and Warren in her career. Caveated with "she will support whoever the Dem nominee is", turns out this woman does not really like Harris. She's not mean like Klobuchar but she isn't friendly and kind to her staff, and Warren is someone who genuinely makes people want to follow her. I still really like Harris and I don't think you should have to be "nice" to be a good president (especially as a woman where that seems to be a requirement, along with "likeable"), but this news made me sad and has given me a bit of pause. When people say 'she isn't nice to her staff' it gives me pause.
I mean you aren't there to be besties with your boss and I think it really takes away from the conversation. Not one single person talks about how great a boss 45 is. In fact his greatest claim to fame was firing people.
Look at Merkel, from her pictures she doesnt exactly exude warmth and fuzziness. Bush 43 seemed like a really swell guy, someone I could see being great at a party, buys his agents pizza, but a horrible president.
So my first metric is the candidate effective? and then, Do their policies line up with mine?
Are they nice and do I want to party with them? So far down the list.
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Post by stringy on Feb 19, 2019 14:01:18 GMT -6
This was essentially our conversation with friends this weekend. Former Mass governor... who? Deval? No. Romney! No! Well who then? Silence. Legitimately none of us could come up with his name. I had to look it up later. He was governor right after Dukakis. That was some time ago. He is apparently a very moderate republican but doesn’t seem to have the charisma to really challenge trump. Hopefully I’m wrong. I had this convo with some friends about Weld (as a former Bostonian myself). We actually all agreed that we could see Charlie Baker running (and winning). Charlie has zero charisma himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:48:51 GMT -6
I guess if I am being honest I do feel it's important that leaders are kind to their staff. I don't think there is a great metric to measure this, and a lot of what is out there in terms of "news" on the topic feels anecdotal, but I think that part of being a good leader is creating a team that buys in to your vision and is all in. You do this by treating your staff with respect. I am not sure how I feel about supporting a presidential candidate who doesn't embody these ideals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:50:09 GMT -6
I had this convo with some friends about Weld (as a former Bostonian myself). We actually all agreed that we could see Charlie Baker running (and winning). Charlie has zero charisma himself. Maybe not, but a lot of people really seem to like him on both sides of the aisle here. And at least I can come up with his name! Haha OK to be fair your point is quite valid. I just remember that in conversation with H I referred to him as Ted Baker once.
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Post by lemondrop on Feb 19, 2019 14:50:22 GMT -6
I had this convo with some friends about Weld (as a former Bostonian myself). We actually all agreed that we could see Charlie Baker running (and winning). Charlie has zero charisma himself. Charisma aside, he's popular with Dems in MA and could swing plenty of Independent votes - particularly the "I'm a fiscal conservative but socially liberal" crowd (which I think is a bullshit stance, but regardless). R voters who plugged their noses to vote for 45 would most likely vote for him in a second. He's also been very careful about how he deals with criticizing 45.
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Post by bunnyfungo on Feb 19, 2019 15:23:37 GMT -6
I’m seeing so much Bernie support in some of the FB groups I’m in. I feel like there have been a bunch of problematic things with him but I have so much trump garbage stuffed in my brain that I can’t pull it out to argue with people. So, I’m trapped in the grouping of, “You just don’t like him because Hillary,” and that is just....not it.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Feb 19, 2019 15:44:55 GMT -6
So, this weekend I learned that my SIL is good friends with a new Member of Congress (one of this year's freshmen), a woman who has worked for both Harris and Warren in her career. Caveated with "she will support whoever the Dem nominee is", turns out this woman does not really like Harris. She's not mean like Klobuchar but she isn't friendly and kind to her staff, and Warren is someone who genuinely makes people want to follow her. I still really like Harris and I don't think you should have to be "nice" to be a good president (especially as a woman where that seems to be a requirement, along with "likeable"), but this news made me sad and has given me a bit of pause. When people say 'she isn't nice to her staff' it gives me pause.
I mean you aren't there to be besties with your boss and I think it really takes away from the conversation. Not one single person talks about how great a boss 45 is. In fact his greatest claim to fame was firing people.
Look at Merkel, from her pictures she doesnt exactly exude warmth and fuzziness. Bush 43 seemed like a really swell guy, someone I could see being great at a party, buys his agents pizza, but a horrible president.
So my first metric is the candidate effective? and then, Do their policies line up with mine?
Are they nice and do I want to party with them? So far down the list.
I agree with this, but I also think the way people treat their employees or subordinates says a lot about who they are as a person.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 19, 2019 15:48:09 GMT -6
The idea of Sanders/Trump debates is just horrifying. All that old white man crazy hair and nonsensical babbling and casual sexism/racism.
DNW. We must do better, America.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:49:15 GMT -6
I’m seeing so much Bernie support in some of the FB groups I’m in. I feel like there have been a bunch of problematic things with him but I have so much trump garbage stuffed in my brain that I can’t pull it out to argue with people. So, I’m trapped in the grouping of, “You just don’t like him because Hillary,” and that is just....not it. I voted for him in the primary because his views were the closest to mine. As others have said there are plenty of candidates now to choose from who have similar views, so as excited as some may be about him in 2020 I think there are others like myself who would likely place their vote elsewhere. Things get murky when you weigh who you love versus who you think actually has a chance to win. I am all over the place. I have been wanting Elizabeth warren to run for president for what seems like forever and now I have my wish. But Kamala. Then Beto! Is he in or out? And if Chris Murphy runs well obviously I’m all in on him though he sounds like a no at this point. I feel like this primary is going to be an emotional roller coaster.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 19, 2019 16:04:27 GMT -6
I want someone to not be abusive to their staff but I don’t need them to be crowned saint best boss ever. I’ve worked for a ton of people in my career and there is a wide range of effectiveness from all business to comes to your wedding and cries happy tears for you. I’ve also worked for and with straight up asshole bosses (both male and female) and you know it when you see it. Problem is that I’ve worked with people who thought they had an asshole boss but their meter was broken and they were entitled and immature and just didn’t know enough to know that they had a tough boss and their own worked sucked. So, I take these staff comments with a mountain of salt. Not to mention the sexism that is sometimes rolled in on these evaluations of female bosses - which I’ve seen first hand. The Amy Klobuchar stuff became concerning to me when I read about the throwing of objects and that Harry Reid had to talk to her about it. Also, several podcasters have said this reputation is known. We’ll see what we hear about Harris. If there is a story to tell, it will come out. I’m sure.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 19, 2019 16:05:54 GMT -6
So the DNC came up with new metrics this year for the debate. I think they should have added a 3rd.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE A DEMOCRAT.
Let Bernie sit on a stage and debate himself in the Independent debates.
I still think we need to find a way to put Shultz and Bernie in a debate, tell them it’s televised, and just not air it.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 19, 2019 16:06:05 GMT -6
When people say 'she isn't nice to her staff' it gives me pause.
I mean you aren't there to be besties with your boss and I think it really takes away from the conversation. Not one single person talks about how great a boss 45 is. In fact his greatest claim to fame was firing people.
Look at Merkel, from her pictures she doesnt exactly exude warmth and fuzziness. Bush 43 seemed like a really swell guy, someone I could see being great at a party, buys his agents pizza, but a horrible president.
So my first metric is the candidate effective? and then, Do their policies line up with mine?
Are they nice and do I want to party with them? So far down the list.
I agree with this, but I also think the way people treat their employees or subordinates says a lot about who they are as a person. Ok thats fair but why do we not have the conversation about how a man is or isn't 'nice' to his staff? Its subjective, you are always going to have disgruntled employees that are going to make more of a situation than it was. And the fact that its only Amy/Kamala/Elizabeth, not 45, not Pence, not Booker, not Bernie, says something. Hell Bernie has been excused by most for the sexist shit that went on during his last campaign because, 'he couldn't have been aware of it'. I have never heard anything about how Tim Kaine treats his staff or how Shouty McShirtsleeves treats his. But Kamala not being nice or Amy throwing a binder (apparently not AT anyone, I will admit I've thrown papers across my desk in a fit of frustration) becomes a central narrative to how they govern. And I would bet dollars to donuts that Shouty has thrown his fair share of temper tantrums behind his office doors AT his staff.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Feb 19, 2019 16:09:52 GMT -6
I agree with this, but I also think the way people treat their employees or subordinates says a lot about who they are as a person. Ok thats fair but why do we not have the conversation about how a man is or isn't 'nice' to his staff? Its subjective, you are always going to have disgruntled employees that are going to make more of a situation than it was. And the fact that its only Amy/Kamala/Elizabeth, not 45, not Pence, not Booker, not Bernie, says something. Hell Bernie has been excused by most for the sexist shit that went on during his last campaign because, 'he couldn't have been aware of it'. I have never heard anything about how Tim Kaine treats his staff or how Shouty McShirtsleeves treats his. But Kamala not being nice or Amy throwing a binder (apparently not AT anyone, I will admit I've thrown papers across my desk in a fit of frustration) becomes a central narrative to how they govern. And I would bet dollars to donuts that Shouty has thrown his fair share of temper tantrums behind his office doors AT his staff.
Well I completely, 100% agree about the double standard.
The only reason I am bummed about this particular piece of information is because a member of congress whom I like, who is a personal friend of SIL, doesn't particularly like Kamala and does like Warren, having worked for both of them.
But in the larger sense I agree with everything you are saying.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 19, 2019 16:13:14 GMT -6
I can’t find it now but I did see a clip from Fox News where a reporter asked her about a tweet she posted about Jessie Smollet’s assault case (before the latest news came out on that) and she looks over at her staff like “WTAF did you put on my Twitter”. If looks could kill. Lol.
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Post by elle on Feb 19, 2019 16:16:22 GMT -6
I also feel like there's a huge chasm between being "not nice" and abusive. It would not sit well with me to have a candidate be abusive to the people that work for them, for obvious reasons, but I don't know that being a favorite boss is that high on my list of requirements. I care more about a future president being fair and effective vs being adored. As jaygee said above, if there's a story there about Kamala, it will come out. Until then it's sort of difficult to quantify what is meant by one person's opinion and experience of "not nice". Sometimes people just don't get along well and personalities clash, doesn't mean either party is in the right or in the wrong.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 19, 2019 18:34:35 GMT -6
Maybe I’m naive, but I just don’t see him garnering the same support from last go around. There are quite a few great candidates with progressive platforms to choose from. No one needs Shouty McShouterson. I've talked about how I voted for him in the 2016 primary. Will not be doing that again. I will give him all the props for pushing the party farther left, but this time there are several better candidates with basically the same platform. He's not bringing anything new or exciting to the table this time around. He's just a shouty old white dude and we've been there, done that. Pass. Same. I voted for him in the primary last time but rolled my eyes SO HARD when he announced. It’s over. Be helpful or go home. 🤨
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Post by lemondrop on Feb 19, 2019 18:36:21 GMT -6
I also feel like there's a huge chasm between being "not nice" and abusive. It would not sit well with me to have a candidate be abusive to the people that work for them, for obvious reasons, but I don't know that being a favorite boss is that high on my list of requirements. I care more about a future president being fair and effective vs being adored. As jaygee said above, if there's a story there about Kamala, it will come out. Until then it's sort of difficult to quantify what is meant by one person's opinion and experience of "not nice". Sometimes people just don't get along well and personalities clash, doesn't mean either party is in the right or in the wrong. I think of myself as a boss when these things come up - what would my employees say about me? I can almost guarantee that some of my subordinates would consider me abrasive - particularly my female employees. I feel like for them it’s almost expected for me to be more sensitive or easygoing because I’m a woman in charge, where if they look at my more severe, strict boss, he’s respected. I’m certainly not throwing anything at them, but I’m not their best friend either. If I ran for president (LOL) would they suggest that I wasn’t a good boss bc I was “hard” on them? Whereas if my boss ran, would they suggest he WAS a good boss because he “challenged” them? I’ve been in management since I was 24 and I still struggle with finding the balance of being a strong leader who doesn’t just come across as a giant bitch.
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Post by elle on Feb 19, 2019 20:24:59 GMT -6
lemondrop exactly. It's not easy to untangle the various impressions and experiences someone may have due to gender expectations, personalities, etc.
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Post by richard on Feb 19, 2019 21:21:52 GMT -6
::trying to ignore Bernie's first-day fundraising numbers::
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Post by richard on Feb 19, 2019 21:48:47 GMT -6
My former co-worker who worked for Amy went to her announcement rally and wrote some very pro-Amy posts about it. Now that's completely anecdotal, but I've seen former co-worker in action and if you cross her, she will light your car on fire (metaphorically speaking). So I'm having a hard time gauging the Amy stuff to be 100% honest.
I've had a female boss who did not mince words and was very clear if you weren't meeting her expectations but also always looked for people's ideas on better ways to do things, got shit done and met every org goal she was ever given. Some of my coworkers hated her guts. I didn't really ever have a problem with her.
I've had another female boss who thought she had to be friendly with everyone, had "listening" sessions with employees to gather input but then went off and made decisions on her own that didn't align with reality and didn't improve anything. But she would chat with you about your dog for 10 minutes! Some of my coworkers love her and I find her to be fake...like if you value me as an employee, spend your time actually listening to me about work stuff rather than making small talk.
That was very tl/dr. Amy is on a post-it for me right now. And I'm watching her closely.
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Post by morecoffeeplease on Feb 20, 2019 5:41:28 GMT -6
richard, someone on Twitter said his numbers are good, yes, but he's the only one that ran before, so he's got the best infrastructure in place. He also probably has the best name recognition, short of Biden. So its still early, and may not be time to panic just yet.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 20, 2019 6:29:11 GMT -6
richard, someone on Twitter said his numbers are good, yes, but he's the only one that ran before, so he's got the best infrastructure in place. He also probably has the best name recognition, short of Biden. So its still early, and may not be time to panic just yet. Yes, this. I voted for Bernie in the primary last go round and have already received several emails from him and berner adjacent orgs asking for donations. He already has huge lists of people to reach out to. I'll not be donating this time. And my Bernie tote bag has been torn up to make the warp on a rag rug I'm planning. Canvas makes great rug warp!
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