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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 10:52:21 GMT -6
This kind of info is generally given by carriers without any fuss at all, usually within the same day. It’s issues like jailbreaking the phone where Apple has come between law enforcement and privacy. Yeah that's what I wasn't sure of if the carriers were like Apple at all. They’re pretty helpful and cooperative! A lot of people really overestimate how accurate cell phone tower pings are, though, and think the phone companies should be able to tell law enforcement where everyone was at any given minute based on pings. It just doesn’t work like that.
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Post by peachtree on Oct 24, 2018 10:53:32 GMT -6
Yeah that's what I wasn't sure of if the carriers were like Apple at all. They’re pretty helpful and cooperative! A lot of people really overestimate how accurate cell phone tower pings are, though, and think the phone companies should be able to tell law enforcement where everyone was at any given minute based on pings. It just doesn’t work like that. But they saw it on CSI/Law and Order so it must be true.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 10:56:26 GMT -6
www.reddit.com/r/JaymeCloss/comments/9qta6f/the_1996_disappearance_of_sara_bushland_spooner/Summary: two relatively nearby girls went missing 5 months apart, turned up murdered later. Both similar in looks to Jayme. They had an over lapping friend group so it’s theorized someone from their group might be responsible, he would have likely been in his 20s then, 40s now. It’s been 20 years but some serial killers have taken very long breaks to raise families etc. Interesting. Both seemed to vanish though. Neither were taken in such a dramatic way. If this guy is coming back to his serial killer life, he’s making a grand entrance. A super sloppy one by comparison!
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 24, 2018 11:03:01 GMT -6
Serial taught me to be suspicious of pings.
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Post by Pistol on Oct 24, 2018 11:15:53 GMT -6
Everyone keeps saying that if she was talking to someone we would know but is there a way to track cell phone usage (apps, websites, etc) without physically having the phone? I guess apps yes because you just need into their App Store (google play for the androids) account to see what has been downloaded. But websites? Is that something the phone company would have access to? If they took her and her phone (remove the battery to prevent tracking) then we may not be able to know if she’s been talking to anyone sketchy. if it's some kind of app then yes because her account information is stored somewhere and most interactions are stored in a DB. Not the actual text but the basic information of the transaction like to-from, time, date etc... So they just need to find out what apps she uses and go from there. I'm guessing friends would be able to supply that info. I guess I’m thinking more along the lines of websites. Like I don’t log on here from my laptop. Only here. Could she have been a member of an online community somewhere that she only accessed from her phone that if the phone is not recovered they may never know about. ETA- only here being only on my phone. I really need caffeine.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 11:26:50 GMT -6
I believe the cell phone carrier would have info of numbers called and texted. Not sure if the company would just willingly hand it over or not? This kind of info is generally given by carriers without any fuss at all, usually within the same day. It’s issues like jailbreaking the phone where Apple has come between law enforcement and privacy. Not when you watch the First 48 it isn't. I've seen them held up quite a few times on these things. I would hope a missing child would mean they would cooperate faster though
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 11:27:56 GMT -6
She also could have had a phone that no one knew about if she had an older boyfriend who got it for her
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 11:28:38 GMT -6
if it's some kind of app then yes because her account information is stored somewhere and most interactions are stored in a DB. Not the actual text but the basic information of the transaction like to-from, time, date etc... So they just need to find out what apps she uses and go from there. I'm guessing friends would be able to supply that info. I guess I’m thinking more along the lines of websites. Like I don’t log on here from my laptop. Only here. Could she have been a member of an online community somewhere that she only accessed from her phone that if the phone is not recovered they may never know about. doesn't matter if it's web or mobile, all data is stored somewhere. Every single thing you do online is logged and stored and traceable unless you are some X level hacker that knows how to mask your presence and delete trails.
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Post by Pistol on Oct 24, 2018 11:29:15 GMT -6
She also could have had a phone that no one knew about if she had an older boyfriend who got it for her You can get burners that are smartphones now.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 11:30:53 GMT -6
This kind of info is generally given by carriers without any fuss at all, usually within the same day. It’s issues like jailbreaking the phone where Apple has come between law enforcement and privacy. Not when you watch the First 48 it isn't. I've seen them held up quite a few times on these things. I would hope a missing child would mean they would cooperate faster though generally it depends on the type of data being requested. If it includes personal identifiable data then the company needs to wait for a court order to hand it over otherwise they are liable for data breech. They are not being assholes, they are following the law
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Post by Pistol on Oct 24, 2018 11:31:32 GMT -6
I guess I’m thinking more along the lines of websites. Like I don’t log on here from my laptop. Only here. Could she have been a member of an online community somewhere that she only accessed from her phone that if the phone is not recovered they may never know about. doesn't matter if it's web or mobile, all data is stored somewhere. Every single thing you do online is logged and stored and traceable unless you are some X level hacker that knows how to mask your presence and delete trails. I know it’s all stored somewhere but wouldn’t they need her phone to see the places she is visiting on the web? Surely the phone company doesn’t have record of all my ridiculous google searches and websites I visit, etc. right? And like angelashly said, she may have a phone that nobody knows about. I’m just not 100% convinced that if she was talking to someone online we would know about it by now.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 12:44:37 GMT -6
doesn't matter if it's web or mobile, all data is stored somewhere. Every single thing you do online is logged and stored and traceable unless you are some X level hacker that knows how to mask your presence and delete trails. I know it’s all stored somewhere but wouldn’t they need her phone to see the places she is visiting on the web? Surely the phone company doesn’t have record of all my ridiculous google searches and websites I visit, etc. right? And like angelashly said, she may have a phone that nobody knows about. I’m just not 100% convinced that if she was talking to someone online we would know about it by now. she's 13 so i assume her friends or at least 1 friend would know what apps she's using. They can also access her play or apple store account and find out what she downloaded and start from there. She could have a burner phone, but it seems like a stretch
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 12:51:21 GMT -6
I know it’s all stored somewhere but wouldn’t they need her phone to see the places she is visiting on the web? Surely the phone company doesn’t have record of all my ridiculous google searches and websites I visit, etc. right? And like angelashly said, she may have a phone that nobody knows about. I’m just not 100% convinced that if she was talking to someone online we would know about it by now. she's 13 so i assume her friends or at least 1 friend would know what apps she's using. They can also access her play or apple store account and find out what she downloaded and start from there. She could have a burner phone, but it seems like a stretch Really? I don't think it is a stretch if they think she is involved. I could watch far to much tv though
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 12:54:15 GMT -6
I think if she was talking to someone, they would know by now. Small town, someone would know she bought a burner phone. If guy bought burner phone, some friend would know because they would cover for her at some point. If its on her phone, authorities know, trust.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 12:58:00 GMT -6
she's 13 so i assume her friends or at least 1 friend would know what apps she's using. They can also access her play or apple store account and find out what she downloaded and start from there. She could have a burner phone, but it seems like a stretch Really? I don't think it is a stretch if they think she is involved. I could watch far to much tv though it's a stretch for a 13 year old who was otherwise leading a healthy happy life. i think she's passively involved, i don't think she's masterminded anything
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 12:59:10 GMT -6
its also possible a friend knows something and is not saying because they think she'll get in trouble. Because 13yos are not smart and do not make good decisions
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:00:30 GMT -6
I think if she was talking to someone, they would know by now. Small town, someone would know she bought a burner phone. If guy bought burner phone, some friend would know because they would cover for her at some point. If its on her phone, authorities know, trust. This. She’s a 13 year old girl. If she had some secret boyfriend, she was telling at least one friend.
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:01:13 GMT -6
its also possible a friend knows something and is not saying because they think she'll get in trouble. Because 13yos are not smart and do not make good decisions I don’t know. I feel LE would be very capable of breaking a 13 year old girl
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 13:01:38 GMT -6
Really? I don't think it is a stretch if they think she is involved. I could watch far to much tv though it's a stretch for a 13 year old who was otherwise leading a healthy happy life. i think she's passively involved, i don't think she's masterminded anything I don't think she is the mastermind either, but I do think that if she is in a relationship or something with someone older it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they got her a phone to talk to them on it and told her to use that one so that no one would find out
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:02:58 GMT -6
Finally caught up and I feel like it’s someone they know.... Maybe a family fight or like someone has said, someone obsessed with her. I find it odd they didn’t kill her and took her if that’s the case. You just usually hear about someone killing everyone.
I don’t know I am all over the place but I feel it’s someone they knew.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:06:30 GMT -6
it's a stretch for a 13 year old who was otherwise leading a healthy happy life. i think she's passively involved, i don't think she's masterminded anything I don't think she is the mastermind either, but I do think that if she is in a relationship or something with someone older it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they got her a phone to talk to them on it and told her to use that one so that no one would find out Right. But that means she has physical contact with that person (to give her the phone). At some point, she’s going to have a friend cover for her or tell a friend. It just doesn’t fit for me that this well adjusted, social girl has a secret lover that no one has any clue about. I could see it with the Gypsy case because of the dysfunction and being kept away from the world. But here, I think someone would know. And even with Gypsy, look how quickly the authorities realized who was involved.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:11:07 GMT -6
I don't think she is the mastermind either, but I do think that if she is in a relationship or something with someone older it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they got her a phone to talk to them on it and told her to use that one so that no one would find out Right. But that means she has physical contact with that person (to give her the phone). At some point, she’s going to have a friend cover for her or tell a friend. It just doesn’t fit for me that this well adjusted, social girl has a secret lover that no one has any clue about. I could see it with the Gypsy case because of the dysfunction and being kept away from the world. But here, I think someone would know. And even with Gypsy, look how quickly the authorities realized who was involved. Not to be unkind but do you get the impression she was particularly social or well adjusted for her age? We know nothing, really, but I would lean the other way if I had to. Just being involved in extra curricular sports (and pretty solo ones at that) does not scream “has friends” to me. I would hope she does have at least one really solid friend, but not all kids do.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:12:02 GMT -6
Truthfully, I think she’s dead and I just don’t see her involved for that reason.
I think Tlex May be onto something. Even if those particular cold cases aren’t linked, may be it is a random serial killer of sorts. That’s the only way I can make sense of the lack of leads, clues, etc.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:13:21 GMT -6
My nieces in her age category look and act like tiny kardashian sisters and post constant friend pics on social media (and would die to post with their mom) so maybe they are skewing me. Maybe they’re real city kids and Jayme has a country girl life and kids aren’t as wrapped up in fashion and makeup and hair and parties at 13 where she lives.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 13:14:20 GMT -6
I don't think she is the mastermind either, but I do think that if she is in a relationship or something with someone older it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they got her a phone to talk to them on it and told her to use that one so that no one would find out Right. But that means she has physical contact with that person (to give her the phone). At some point, she’s going to have a friend cover for her or tell a friend. It just doesn’t fit for me that this well adjusted, social girl has a secret lover that no one has any clue about. I could see it with the Gypsy case because of the dysfunction and being kept away from the world. But here, I think someone would know. And even with Gypsy, look how quickly the authorities realized who was involved. I guess. I also know that we can assume and others can think that someone is well adjusted when they are not. I do agree that I think a friend would know something, but it doesn't have to be a boyfriend it could be someone who is forcing her to not tell which could be a family member
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:15:23 GMT -6
Truthfully, I think she’s dead and I just don’t see her involved for that reason. I think Tlex May be onto something. Even if those particular cold cases aren’t linked, may be it is a random serial killer of sorts. That’s the only way I can make sense of the lack of leads, clues, etc. Man, I just have no idea. I lean two ways: a family dispute where someone felt a right to Jayme, or a totally random stalker obsessed with her. I can’t make anything else connect.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:19:11 GMT -6
Right. But that means she has physical contact with that person (to give her the phone). At some point, she’s going to have a friend cover for her or tell a friend. It just doesn’t fit for me that this well adjusted, social girl has a secret lover that no one has any clue about. I could see it with the Gypsy case because of the dysfunction and being kept away from the world. But here, I think someone would know. And even with Gypsy, look how quickly the authorities realized who was involved. Not to be unkind but do you get the impression she was particularly social or well adjusted for her age? We know nothing, really, but I would lean the other way if I had to. Just being involved in extra curricular sports (and pretty solo ones at that) does not scream “has friends” to me. I would hope she does have at least one really solid friend, but not all kids do. I believe I read she is new to her school and went somewhere else before, right? So that gave me pause, but I also read that a number of students are very upset which, of course, even if they weren’t friends. So... I’m not sure. But I suppose I mean, in comparison to Gypsy she seems well-adjusted and social. But now that I’m thinking about it, local people, have you seen interviews with friends, peers?
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:21:56 GMT -6
My nieces in her age category look and act like tiny kardashian sisters and post constant friend pics on social media (and would die to post with their mom) so maybe they are skewing me. Maybe they’re real city kids and Jayme has a country girl life and kids aren’t as wrapped up in fashion and makeup and hair and parties at 13 where she lives. Ok so this is my city girl niece. Insane what gets posted. I had to explain to my country half-sister what Bloomingdales was. So I do think that’s a city v. rural thing. Like, I assume if I went out with pistol, I would stick out like a sore thumb. No offense to pistol, she knows we’re getting a sitcom any day now.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:23:46 GMT -6
Not to be unkind but do you get the impression she was particularly social or well adjusted for her age? We know nothing, really, but I would lean the other way if I had to. Just being involved in extra curricular sports (and pretty solo ones at that) does not scream “has friends” to me. I would hope she does have at least one really solid friend, but not all kids do. I believe I read she is new to her school and went somewhere else before, right? So that gave me pause, but I also read that a number of students are very upset which, of course, even if they weren’t friends. So... I’m not sure. But I suppose I mean, in comparison to Gypsy she seems well-adjusted and social. But now that I’m thinking about it, local people, have you seen interviews with friends, peers? Yes she is newer to her school, don’t know why. We had a series of tragic deaths in high school and none of them were particularly popular kids, one especially was a loner. Many kids took it really hard and some people I graduated with will still bring up how those deaths affected them. Idk. No I haven’t heard anything about friends being interviewed etc although to play Devil’s Advocate against myself, if I was a parent or principal right now you would have to come between me and all my full-force crazy before you’re putting my kid in any kind of spotlight in that community right now, with so much unknown about why she was targeted and by whom.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:24:07 GMT -6
My nieces in her age category look and act like tiny kardashian sisters and post constant friend pics on social media (and would die to post with their mom) so maybe they are skewing me. Maybe they’re real city kids and Jayme has a country girl life and kids aren’t as wrapped up in fashion and makeup and hair and parties at 13 where she lives. Ok so this is my city girl niece. Insane what gets posted. I had to explain to my country half-sister what Bloomingdales was. So I do think that’s a city v. rural thing. Like, I assume if I went out with pistol, I would stick out like a sore thumb. No offense to pistol, she knows we’re getting a sitcom any day now. I stick out in that area and I'm basic Target and Gap all day.
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