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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:24:10 GMT -6
Truthfully, I think she’s dead and I just don’t see her involved for that reason. I think Tlex May be onto something. Even if those particular cold cases aren’t linked, may be it is a random serial killer of sorts. That’s the only way I can make sense of the lack of leads, clues, etc. Man, I just have no idea. I lean two ways: a family dispute where someone felt a right to Jayme, or a totally random stalker obsessed with her. I can’t make anything else connect. It’s bizarre. Truly. The longer this goes on, the more it looks like they have nothing and keeps me in the “this wasn’t someone they knew” category.
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:24:13 GMT -6
I find the serial killer thing hard because of the shot and killed parents... isn’t it typically an MO to abduct and kill?
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:24:50 GMT -6
I believe I read she is new to her school and went somewhere else before, right? So that gave me pause, but I also read that a number of students are very upset which, of course, even if they weren’t friends. So... I’m not sure. But I suppose I mean, in comparison to Gypsy she seems well-adjusted and social. But now that I’m thinking about it, local people, have you seen interviews with friends, peers? Yes she is newer to her school, don’t know why. We had a series of tragic deaths in high school and none of them were particularly popular kids, one especially was a loner. Many kids took it really hard and some people I graduated with will still bring up how those deaths affected them. Idk. No I haven’t heard anything about friends being interviewed etc although to play Devil’s Advocate against myself, if I was a parent or principal right now you would have to come between me and all my full-force crazy before you’re putting my kid in any kind of spotlight in that community right now, with so much unknown about why she was targeted and by whom. Facts.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:25:56 GMT -6
Ok so this is my city girl niece. Insane what gets posted. I had to explain to my country half-sister what Bloomingdales was. So I do think that’s a city v. rural thing. Like, I assume if I went out with pistol, I would stick out like a sore thumb. No offense to pistol, she knows we’re getting a sitcom any day now. I stick out in that area and I'm basic Target and Gap all day. Maybe if you would stop carrying a men’s urinal ....
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:26:24 GMT -6
My nieces in her age category look and act like tiny kardashian sisters and post constant friend pics on social media (and would die to post with their mom) so maybe they are skewing me. Maybe they’re real city kids and Jayme has a country girl life and kids aren’t as wrapped up in fashion and makeup and hair and parties at 13 where she lives. Ok so this is my city girl niece. Insane what gets posted. I had to explain to my country half-sister what Bloomingdales was. So I do think that’s a city v. rural thing. Like, I assume if I went out with pistol, I would stick out like a sore thumb. No offense to pistol, she knows we’re getting a sitcom any day now. Fair enough, I can totally accept that.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:27:12 GMT -6
I found a transcript of a CNN interview with the Sherrif.
They have the actual phone. So Jayme may have had a different phone, but the searchers weren't looking for the 911 calling phone, I don't think.
FITZGERALD: Well, I can tell you, we have the cell phone. We know whose cell phone it is. It came from inside the house. The call came from
inside the house. No one was on the line, and I called that call different in nature or odd, because when a 911 call is taken. 911 what`s your
emergency. And somebody says I need help at whatever address. There was no address given, there was no somebody asking, or giving a specific
instructions or reasons of what`s going on. We just heard what we believed to be a commotion.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:27:27 GMT -6
I stick out in that area and I'm basic Target and Gap all day. Maybe if you would stop carrying a men’s urinal .... I’m sorry? Does this require a thread? Did I miss a thread?
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:27:51 GMT -6
I find the serial killer thing hard because of the shot and killed parents... isn’t it typically an MO to abduct and kill? Maybe the target was to abduct and kill Jayme and the parents were in the way?
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:28:56 GMT -6
Maybe if you would stop carrying a men’s urinal .... I’m sorry? Does this require a thread? Did I miss a thread? Brux just sharing her Bruxness in the purse thread.
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:28:59 GMT -6
I find the serial killer thing hard because of the shot and killed parents... isn’t it typically an MO to abduct and kill? Maybe the target was to abduct and kill Jayme and the parents were in the way? I was thinking that too after I posted. Just seems sloppy....
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:29:32 GMT -6
Rumors are that the family will talk at the press conference today. They said the search turnout "restored their faith in humanity after some ugly gossip on social media & beyond."
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 13:30:02 GMT -6
I found a transcript of a CNN interview with the Sherrif. They have the actual phone. So Jayme may have had a different phone, but the searchers weren't looking for the 911 calling phone, I don't think. FITZGERALD: Well, I can tell you, we have the cell phone. We know whose cell phone it is. It came from inside the house. The call came from inside the house. No one was on the line, and I called that call different in nature or odd, because when a 911 call is taken. 911 what`s your emergency. And somebody says I need help at whatever address. There was no address given, there was no somebody asking, or giving a specific instructions or reasons of what`s going on. We just heard what we believed to be a commotion. Hmmm are they talking about the mom's phone then since they determined it was her phone that called? or wouldn't Jayme's phone technically be her mom's phone since a 13 year old can't enter into a cell phone contract? This whole thing is confusing
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:30:17 GMT -6
Man, I just have no idea. I lean two ways: a family dispute where someone felt a right to Jayme, or a totally random stalker obsessed with her. I can’t make anything else connect. It’s bizarre. Truly. The longer this goes on, the more it looks like they have nothing and keeps me in the “this wasn’t someone they knew” category. I really feel like by now a family beef would have been outed, right? Unless they were like FLDS-level tight, but in that case we’d be hearing from locals about how reclusive and religious the family is, and locals have boo to say about them.
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:32:53 GMT -6
I missed the part about them being reclusive and super religious. Hmmm.
GDI I have a busy afternoon and night and probably will not be able to check back in until late tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:34:09 GMT -6
Hmmm are they talking about the mom's phone then since they determined it was her phone that called? or wouldn't Jayme's phone technically be her mom's phone since a 13 year old can't enter into a cell phone contract? This whole thing is confusing yeah, mom's phone. bc I think this interview was before they confirmed it was mom's phone that called. In the same interview, the sheriff was asked if they were able to get dad and mom's phones. He said "We have all the evidence that I feel is necessary [brux's add: from inside the house]. It was collected by our investigation team."
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 24, 2018 13:34:19 GMT -6
I also think if a mother turned to her 13 year old and said your friend is in grave danger tell me every bit of anything you know, I really don't think they would stay quiet or keep a secret. Esp if LE was also stressing this.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:34:44 GMT -6
Did they ever say who was on the 911 call? Is it definitely the mom.
Let’s say neighbors timeline was correct even though I poo poo’d it 6 days ago, we’re still here and got nothing.
2 shots. Mom and dad dead. Now they’re .... idk, Torturing Jayme? Tying her to a chair and demanding something? Saying they came to save her? Jayme is hysterical. Finally frees herself, locks herself in bathroom, calls 911. That would account for the 30 minute time between call and shots. Bad guy gets in bathroom. Sees Jayme called 911. Has a moment of panic, needs to flee and grabs Jayme? Takes Jayme because she was the target? Decides to finish whatever he started somewhere else?
Maybe that fits. Assuming it was Jayme heard on the 911 tape, not mom.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:34:45 GMT -6
Rumors are that the family will talk at the press conference today. They said the search turnout "restored their faith in humanity after some ugly gossip on social media & beyond." Only hints at gossip I’ve seen are: - that Denise was having an affair (have seen zero to confirm this, I think it was just aired as wild speculation, which is indeed hurtful to them as a grieving family) - that Denise had a baby from a previous marriage who died (listed in her obit (not James’) as Baby Lewis); false, he was a nephew who died in a car accident, but obviously it’s a very painful wound to dig at
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:35:18 GMT -6
I missed the part about them being reclusive and super religious. Hmmm. GDI I have a busy afternoon and night and probably will not be able to check back in until late tonight or tomorrow. No no no that’s not true, I was saying we would have heard about it if that was the case
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:35:38 GMT -6
I didn't catch the super religious and school changing bit either.
I googled and the Closs family were members of a local Catholic church. That doesn't scream fundy to me.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 13:35:57 GMT -6
It’s bizarre. Truly. The longer this goes on, the more it looks like they have nothing and keeps me in the “this wasn’t someone they knew” category. I really feel like by now a family beef would have been outed, right? Unless they were like FLDS-level tight, but in that case we’d be hearing from locals about how reclusive and religious the family is, and locals have boo to say about them. Yeah, I honestly think any beef would have come to the surface by now.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:37:21 GMT -6
I missed the part about them being reclusive and super religious. Hmmm. GDI I have a busy afternoon and night and probably will not be able to check back in until late tonight or tomorrow. No no no that’s not true, I was saying we would have heard about it if that was the case brux
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 13:38:35 GMT -6
Did they ever say who was on the 911 call? Is it definitely the mom. Let’s say neighbors timeline was correct even though I poo poo’d it 6 days ago, we’re still here and got nothing. 2 shots. Mom and dad dead. Now they’re .... idk, Torturing Jayme? Tying her to a chair and demanding something? Saying they came to save her? Jayme is hysterical. Finally frees herself, locks herself in bathroom, calls 911. That would account for the 30 minute time between call and shots. Bad guy gets in bathroom. Sees Jayme called 911. Has a moment of panic, needs to flee and grabs Jayme? Takes Jayme because she was the target? Decides to finish whatever he started somewhere else? Maybe that fits. Assuming it was Jayme heard on the 911 tape, not mom. I think they definitely heard Jayme on the call because they’re very definitive that they believe she was still in the house when the call was made
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 13:39:11 GMT -6
I missed the part about them being reclusive and super religious. Hmmm. GDI I have a busy afternoon and night and probably will not be able to check back in until late tonight or tomorrow. No no no that’s not true, I was saying we would have heard about it if that was the case Oh ok. I misread thank you for clarifying
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 13:43:26 GMT -6
Rumors are that the family will talk at the press conference today. They said the search turnout "restored their faith in humanity after some ugly gossip on social media & beyond." Only hints at gossip I’ve seen are: - that Denise was having an affair (have seen zero to confirm this, I think it was just aired as wild speculation, which is indeed hurtful to them as a grieving family) - that Denise had a baby from a previous marriage who died (listed in her obit (not James’) as Baby Lewis); false, he was a nephew who died in a car accident, but obviously it’s a very painful wound to dig at probably also hurtful to the family is people's assumptions this was drug related or even that Jayme was in on it.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 24, 2018 13:47:37 GMT -6
Only hints at gossip I’ve seen are: - that Denise was having an affair (have seen zero to confirm this, I think it was just aired as wild speculation, which is indeed hurtful to them as a grieving family) - that Denise had a baby from a previous marriage who died (listed in her obit (not James’) as Baby Lewis); false, he was a nephew who died in a car accident, but obviously it’s a very painful wound to dig at probably also hurtful to the family is people's assumptions this was drug related or even that Jayme was in on it. I agree. I will say that I know I am saying a boyfriend got her the phone, but I still don't think she is a mastermind. I think that if this someone she knows it is on them whether they were obsessed with her or she broke up and cited her parents disapproval or something. I don't think that she set up her parents killing by any means
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Post by marsinvestigations on Oct 24, 2018 13:49:07 GMT -6
Did they ever say who was on the 911 call? Is it definitely the mom. Let’s say neighbors timeline was correct even though I poo poo’d it 6 days ago, we’re still here and got nothing. 2 shots. Mom and dad dead. Now they’re .... idk, Torturing Jayme? Tying her to a chair and demanding something? Saying they came to save her? Jayme is hysterical. Finally frees herself, locks herself in bathroom, calls 911. That would account for the 30 minute time between call and shots. Bad guy gets in bathroom. Sees Jayme called 911. Has a moment of panic, needs to flee and grabs Jayme? Takes Jayme because she was the target? Decides to finish whatever he started somewhere else? Maybe that fits. Assuming it was Jayme heard on the 911 tape, not mom. . I think this is what happened. Jayme met old guy online. He becomes obsessed with her. Thinks that her parents are standing in the way of their true love. He comes into home, kills parents. Spends time between shots and 911 call trying to get her to calm the f down. She somehow gets the phone and calls 911 but is so panicked that she cannot put together coherent statements to them. or she has managed to barricade herself into a separate room and he is trying to break into it so she is freaking out and forgets to talk to 911. He gets into room with her, sees she called so he grabs her and gets out of there. I think he has her alive somewhere. He didn’t go through all the trouble of killing her parents just to kill her once he finally has her.
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Post by willow on Oct 24, 2018 13:49:24 GMT -6
My nieces in her age category look and act like tiny kardashian sisters and post constant friend pics on social media (and would die to post with their mom) so maybe they are skewing me. Maybe they’re real city kids and Jayme has a country girl life and kids aren’t as wrapped up in fashion and makeup and hair and parties at 13 where she lives. Ok so this is my city girl niece. Insane what gets posted. I had to explain to my country half-sister what Bloomingdales was. So I do think that’s a city v. rural thing. Like, I assume if I went out with pistol, I would stick out like a sore thumb. No offense to pistol, she knows we’re getting a sitcom any day now. 100% yes you would lol. As the city girl to my late Hs family, who live in the same area as the city of Barron, it was very hard to relate to any females my age that I knew through him.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 14:05:31 GMT -6
other option for the blank 911 call - Jayme hears what's happening and hides. After a while she moves out of her hiding place to get a phone to call police (maybe moms was the closest). She manages to call but her movement made the intruder aware of her presence. Intruder sees the connected call, panics and grabs her and runs. She never had time to talk to 911 or was too scared of making a sound by talking
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Post by whoopster on Oct 24, 2018 14:06:18 GMT -6
This is all just so strange. I hope they break the case soon.
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