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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 3, 2018 9:04:00 GMT -6
Last night was much better! I let her soothe herself when she woke up around 11. I also nursed her before the bath - this was semi successful bc she was super dustracted and she still wanted to nurse before bed. She wanted to nurse way less before bed though and I made sure we rocked for a little bit afterwards. She usually wakes up around 5-530 to nurse and I think I’m just going to embrace that time as our snuggling/lazy nursing time. She’s drowsy and just kind of wants to hang out and it’s so so nice
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 3, 2018 10:22:12 GMT -6
Last night was much better! I let her soothe herself when she woke up around 11. I also nursed her before the bath - this was semi successful bc she was super dustracted and she still wanted to nurse before bed. She wanted to nurse way less before bed though and I made sure we rocked for a little bit afterwards. She usually wakes up around 5-530 to nurse and I think I’m just going to embrace that time as our snuggling/lazy nursing time. She’s drowsy and just kind of wants to hang out and it’s so so nice Yay!!! It’s so reassuring to see progress. I love that early morning nursing and snuggling too. We both kind of doze and it’s lovely.
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Post by sweetc129 on Oct 9, 2018 14:26:40 GMT -6
J wakes 1-2 times every night and has only slept through once (after a day of no naps between 5am-8pm). It has become more 1 wakes lately so hopefully. He is up around 6-6:30 most days. He is 50/50 with going back down drowsy but awake or screaming his head off until I nurse him back down. All in all he’s an ok sleeper. Naps are hard because preschool drop off and pick up is during nap times so those days his schedule is messed up.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 9, 2018 19:26:13 GMT -6
Preschool fucks up naps here too.
But the house is so quiet for those 2 hours, baby sleeping or not lol.
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Post by clementine on Oct 30, 2018 2:06:30 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread... Ok I think we’re headed for CIO. L 100% knows we will rock/nurse/pacifier him if he fusses long enough. He used to go down awake with the pacifier, but not anymore. And now he’s consistently waking at least 3 times a night and I know he’s not hungry that often. We’ve tried gently reducing the amount of soothing (rocking, shushing, butt patting, etc), but it’s not working. Even nursing back to sleep doesn’t consistently work anymore. Help me. Anyone do CIO? Or the PLS version SLIP? Or have any other suggestions?
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 30, 2018 6:29:12 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread... Ok I think we’re headed for CIO. L 100% knows we will rock/nurse/pacifier him if he fusses long enough. He used to go down awake with the pacifier, but not anymore. And now he’s consistently waking at least 3 times a night and I know he’s not hungry that often. We’ve tried gently reducing the amount of soothing (rocking, shushing, butt patting, etc), but it’s not working. Even nursing back to sleep doesn’t consistently work anymore. Help me. Anyone do CIO? Or the PLS version SLIP? Or have any other suggestions? Make your husband do it. I just cold turkey did it with DD2 to get her back on her schedule. She was waking up at 1030pm, 130am, and about 4 am. We moved bedtime routine a little earlier (bath, lotion, nursing) and let her CIO at 1030. She was definitely fussing be all out crying and just fell back to sleep. The 4am wake up dropped out on its own after a couple days of this. I’m fine with one wake up MOTN - that is pretty normal for a BF baby anyways.
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Post by clementine on Oct 30, 2018 7:23:32 GMT -6
Leaf 🌱 I’m afraid he’d be even less able to handle the crying than me. So you still nurse at the 1:30 wake up? Most times when he wakes he seems to nurse quite a bit (even when he wakes like 2 hours after bedtime) so I can never figure out if he’s just nursing back to sleep or if he’s really hungry. I mean I know he can go at least 6 hours at night without nursing because he’s done it a few times. So you just do your bedtime routine, put her in the crib and let her figure it out, even if she cries for forever? I feel like duh yes that’s what CIO means, but is there anything I’m missing? We’ve been using a pacifier, but I guess we’ll be stopping that now.
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Post by alwayscheese on Oct 30, 2018 7:26:24 GMT -6
We did CIO, but this is unicorn child that didn't even cry the first night so idk that I can give advice.
Currently trying to get him to go to sleep on his own for naps. Would appreciate anecdotes on how your babies get to sleep for naps if you're not rocking/wearing/swinging them until they're out. Like do they cry some every time before falling asleep? Is that child specific? It's so hard to get that sweet spot where they're tired enough but not too tired.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 30, 2018 8:21:14 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread... Ok I think we’re headed for CIO. L 100% knows we will rock/nurse/pacifier him if he fusses long enough. He used to go down awake with the pacifier, but not anymore. And now he’s consistently waking at least 3 times a night and I know he’s not hungry that often. We’ve tried gently reducing the amount of soothing (rocking, shushing, butt patting, etc), but it’s not working. Even nursing back to sleep doesn’t consistently work anymore. Help me. Anyone do CIO? Or the PLS version SLIP? Or have any other suggestions? Make your husband do it. I just cold turkey did it with DD2 to get her back on her schedule. She was waking up at 1030pm, 130am, and about 4 am. We moved bedtime routine a little earlier (bath, lotion, nursing) and let her CIO at 1030. She was definitely fussing be all out crying and just fell back to sleep. The 4am wake up dropped out on its own after a couple days of this. I’m fine with one wake up MOTN - that is pretty normal for a BF baby anyways. This was just happening to us! And last night we CIO-ish (SO went in once to settle him and lay him down since he was sitting up) for the 1030 wakeup and he slept the rest of the night like a dream. It was so so needed and the tap is officially off now for anything before midnight.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 30, 2018 8:34:48 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread... Ok I think we’re headed for CIO. L 100% knows we will rock/nurse/pacifier him if he fusses long enough. He used to go down awake with the pacifier, but not anymore. And now he’s consistently waking at least 3 times a night and I know he’s not hungry that often. We’ve tried gently reducing the amount of soothing (rocking, shushing, butt patting, etc), but it’s not working. Even nursing back to sleep doesn’t consistently work anymore. Help me. Anyone do CIO? Or the PLS version SLIP? Or have any other suggestions? My oldest was like this clementine and I fully agree with Leaf. Let your husband do it. With L, I left the house and went for a late night drive for the first 2 nights. It was kind of like going for a run. It sucked during, you second guess yourself, you will have a million reasons to quit right there etc etc but when it’s done, fuck it feels amazing and you wonder why you haven’t done it before. And then the next guilt comes because they sleep so well that I was always (including this morning) like, damn I’ve been letting him get away with not sleeping and he really needed to be sleeping. Mommy guilt never ends 🙄 We did Ferber for L and I’m more inclined this time to do weissbluth and just let them cry until they fall asleep. Ferber check ins were really more for us I think because it dragged it out a bit longer. But we needed the reassurance we were doing something and that he was ok. My advice if you do Ferber is a) set an actual timer on your phone. Time will lose all meaning and you can’t be trusted to know and b) once you start you are committed for that time until they are asleep no matter what you tell yourself. It’s a battle of wills and you have to win. Good luck!
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 30, 2018 8:39:30 GMT -6
We did CIO, but this is unicorn child that didn't even cry the first night so idk that I can give advice. Currently trying to get him to go to sleep on his own for naps. Would appreciate anecdotes on how your babies get to sleep for naps if you're not rocking/wearing/swinging them until they're out. Like do they cry some every time before falling asleep? Is that child specific? It's so hard to get that sweet spot where they're tired enough but not too tired. B is a pretty decent napper and he still usually cry/fusses before he falls asleep for nap. Like under 10mins of fussing - maybe under 5 unless he’s super overtired or mad. With L, he was a terrible napper until I just let him cry one time. I’m sure it was a Weissbluth thing. I let him cry and fuss for an hour. He did not sleep and it was excruciating. Then I had to keep him up until his next nap so like 2.5/3 hours. Then he was so tired he fell asleep and he napped great after that. I’m sure it was a fluke but it worked. And I got a lot more comfortable with letting him fuss and cry before nap to fall asleep and eventually that went away.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 30, 2018 8:44:17 GMT -6
stardust84, I owe you a beer or something. After bitching last week about dropping that third nap and disrupting sleep, I did work on extending his awake time like you told me to do and voila. We are solidly on a 2 nap schedule now that isn’t too long before bedtime and I’m hopeful for our future sleeping prospects. 🤞🏻 So thank you friend!
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 30, 2018 9:52:20 GMT -6
stardust84, I owe you a beer or something. After bitching last week about dropping that third nap and disrupting sleep, I did work on extending his awake time like you told me to do and voila. We are solidly on a 2 nap schedule now that isn’t too long before bedtime and I’m hopeful for our future sleeping prospects. 🤞🏻 So thank you friend! I am glad it worked! It sounds like your sleep at night now is pretty good as well.
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 30, 2018 9:55:30 GMT -6
clementine I find DS2 is actually nursing at night. We try not to change his diaper because he screams bloody murder if we do and he is soaked in the morning and he is just at the lower end of the weight range for size 3 diapers. He does wake 2-3 times to nurse though.
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Post by woodenshoes on Oct 30, 2018 12:20:43 GMT -6
We did CIO, but this is unicorn child that didn't even cry the first night so idk that I can give advice. Currently trying to get him to go to sleep on his own for naps. Would appreciate anecdotes on how your babies get to sleep for naps if you're not rocking/wearing/swinging them until they're out. Like do they cry some every time before falling asleep? Is that child specific? It's so hard to get that sweet spot where they're tired enough but not too tired. For L I just let him cry a little bit for naps. He rarely goes down with out a bit of fussing, but once he falls asleep his big nap is usually 2-3 hours long.
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Post by woodenshoes on Oct 30, 2018 12:29:27 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread... Ok I think we’re headed for CIO. L 100% knows we will rock/nurse/pacifier him if he fusses long enough. He used to go down awake with the pacifier, but not anymore. And now he’s consistently waking at least 3 times a night and I know he’s not hungry that often. We’ve tried gently reducing the amount of soothing (rocking, shushing, butt patting, etc), but it’s not working. Even nursing back to sleep doesn’t consistently work anymore. Help me. Anyone do CIO? Or the PLS version SLIP? Or have any other suggestions? We did cry it out with L. I thought I would struggle with it, but I knew it had to be done if we wanted any decent amount of sleep, so I just took lots of deep breaths the first couple nights. Now, he goes to bed with minimal fussing unless his schedule is off. It was worth it to me. He was sleeping through the night for awhile, but in the last few weeks he has started waking up anywhere from 5-8 hours after he falls asleep. I tried to just let him cry himself back to sleep the other night, but he cried for 1.5 hours, so I ended up getting him. I needed sleep to function at work. I will probably try it again this weekend, when I don't have to worry about functioning at work. I don't feel as bad feeding him when he is closer to the 8 hour mark. Also, in the last week I started giving him his night time bottle and then letting him play for 20-30 minutes to try to break the association with bottle = sleep. This seems to be stretching his MOTN wake up closer to the 8 hour mark. I failed miserably with sleep stuff with older DS and he still struggles falling asleep at almost 5 years old without assistance (i.e. someone laying by home). I really am hoping to avoid that with L.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 30, 2018 13:23:03 GMT -6
stardust84, I owe you a beer or something. After bitching last week about dropping that third nap and disrupting sleep, I did work on extending his awake time like you told me to do and voila. We are solidly on a 2 nap schedule now that isn’t too long before bedtime and I’m hopeful for our future sleeping prospects. 🤞🏻 So thank you friend! I am glad it worked! It sounds like your sleep at night now is pretty good as well. It’s been one day (of decent night sleep) lol but I’m hopeful
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 30, 2018 15:29:15 GMT -6
clementine I find DS2 is actually nursing at night. We try not to change his diaper because he screams bloody murder if we do and he is soaked in the morning and he is just at the lower end of the weight range for size 3 diapers. He does wake 2-3 times to nurse though. Have you tried one of the nighttime options? There are also inserts you can buy for heavy wetters. I am very much team “no nighttime diaper changes” outside of a serious poop.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 30, 2018 15:36:24 GMT -6
Leaf 🌱 I’m afraid he’d be even less able to handle the crying than me. So you still nurse at the 1:30 wake up? Most times when he wakes he seems to nurse quite a bit (even when he wakes like 2 hours after bedtime) so I can never figure out if he’s just nursing back to sleep or if he’s really hungry. I mean I know he can go at least 6 hours at night without nursing because he’s done it a few times. So you just do your bedtime routine, put her in the crib and let her figure it out, even if she cries for forever? I feel like duh yes that’s what CIO means, but is there anything I’m missing? We’ve been using a pacifier, but I guess we’ll be stopping that now. If you BF, it’s easier for YH to soothe. IME if I went in there, the girls immediately thought FOOD. I NEED FOOD. And would be inconsolable. DD2 would also eat like she was hungry at 1030 but it was definitely a habit, not hunger for her. I have found with both girls that going back in to soother makes everything worse. It’s been a better experience to let them cry to sleep. I will often get in the shower, but the fan on, turn a podcast on fairly loud and tune it out since it bothers me so much (and makes my boobs leak 😂.) Dh takes the monitor in case she gets too worked up to settled. 95% she settles prettt quickly and isn’t up again until 1:30-2 when I do nurse. But it’s a quick one - limited snuggling and right back to her bed. If she cries, I give her time to settle and again, she usually does. I’d rather deal with this now before she can pull herself up or try to climb out. We did it too late with DD1 and she basically threw herself over the crib railing 😑
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 30, 2018 16:19:58 GMT -6
clementine I find DS2 is actually nursing at night. We try not to change his diaper because he screams bloody murder if we do and he is soaked in the morning and he is just at the lower end of the weight range for size 3 diapers. He does wake 2-3 times to nurse though. Have you tried one of the nighttime options? There are also inserts you can buy for heavy wetters. I am very much team “no nighttime diaper changes” outside of a serious poop. I bought some Huggies overnight today and will try it. He sleeps on his stomach so I don't know if any option will be that great. It is just frustrating because if we change him he wakes MOTN and could wake DS1 and if we don't he wakes wet around 5 am.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 30, 2018 19:01:55 GMT -6
Have you tried one of the nighttime options? There are also inserts you can buy for heavy wetters. I am very much team “no nighttime diaper changes” outside of a serious poop. I bought some Huggies overnight today and will try it. He sleeps on his stomach so I don't know if any option will be that great. It is just frustrating because if we change him he wakes MOTN and could wake DS1 and if we don't he wakes wet around 5 am. Ive also heard some people have success with turning the diapers around! Good luck tonight!!!
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 30, 2018 19:34:35 GMT -6
I bought some Huggies overnight today and will try it. He sleeps on his stomach so I don't know if any option will be that great. It is just frustrating because if we change him he wakes MOTN and could wake DS1 and if we don't he wakes wet around 5 am. Ive also heard some people have success with turning the diapers around! Good luck tonight!!! Thanks for the tip. I will try that next. I never had this problem with DS1 even though his reflux meant he woke at night until a year.
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 31, 2018 9:33:50 GMT -6
Leaf 🌱 Thue Huggies overnight were a bust. Maybe I should have sized up I don't know. I think I am just going to have to deal with nighttime. changes
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 31, 2018 9:51:23 GMT -6
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Post by nevertoomanyshoes on Oct 31, 2018 15:05:33 GMT -6
Leaf 🌱 Thue Huggies overnight were a bust. Maybe I should have sized up I don't know. I think I am just going to have to deal with nighttime. changes Both my kids are the heaviest of heavy wetters. What works for me is normal size diaper then the next size up over the top. ETA: since your kid is a tummy sleeper, I’d put the front of the bigger size top diaper quite high up if that makes sense?
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Post by nevertoomanyshoes on Oct 31, 2018 15:08:51 GMT -6
The only annoying thing is that it means buying lots of diapers. I buy size 4 and 5 for the giant baby and then size 5 and 6 pull ups for the toddler (who is not quite toilet trained enough for underwear yet and who will probably wear a night pull up for awhile I suspect).
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Post by stardust84 on Oct 31, 2018 15:26:01 GMT -6
The only annoying thing is that it means buying lots of diapers. I buy size 4 and 5 for the giant baby and then size 5 and 6 pull ups for the toddler (who is not quite toilet trained enough for underwear yet and who will probably wear a night pull up for awhile I suspect). I think we did this with DS1. I am hoping I can use his cheap nap size 5 on top and pull them up in the front for DS2. DS1 still pees so much at night that we have left him in a diaper. He doesn't seem to mind. I looked into the diaper boosters but they aren't easy to find in Canada.
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Post by clementine on Nov 1, 2018 13:57:17 GMT -6
Last night went pretty well. We planned to let him cry for no longer than 2 min, then go in and rub his back til he was calm, leave, repeat until asleep. He cried for exactly 2 min, then rolled around for a minute and fell asleep. He woke around 1 so I nursed and then he slept until I had to wake him up for daycare!!! I am 100% okay with nursing once in the night, so I’d call last night a success.
Now... to figure out how to make it happen again. He always falls asleep on the drive home from daycare which is around 6-6:30, but last night I kept him awake and he was soooo fussy bc his last nap ended at 3:20 so I know he was tired. I nursed at 6:30, then we didn’t do solids bc of Halloween, nursed again at 7:30 and ended up putting him to bed about 8, which is 20-30 min earlier than usual because he was so tired.
So was it the lack of car nap? No solids, so he nursed more before bed? The Halloween jammies? Magic sleep fairy stopped by?
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Nov 1, 2018 17:39:19 GMT -6
clementine I think it was the slightly earlier bedtime. One of the sleep books says that sleep doesn’t shift (later bedtime doesn’t mean a later morning wake up) but it expands (a slightly earlier bedtime for a tired baby can often result in better, linger night sleep) and I have found this to be very true.
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Post by leatherpants on Nov 1, 2018 17:50:14 GMT -6
Last night went pretty well. We planned to let him cry for no longer than 2 min, then go in and rub his back til he was calm, leave, repeat until asleep. He cried for exactly 2 min, then rolled around for a minute and fell asleep. He woke around 1 so I nursed and then he slept until I had to wake him up for daycare!!! I am 100% okay with nursing once in the night, so I’d call last night a success. Now... to figure out how to make it happen again. He always falls asleep on the drive home from daycare which is around 6-6:30, but last night I kept him awake and he was soooo fussy bc his last nap ended at 3:20 so I know he was tired. I nursed at 6:30, then we didn’t do solids bc of Halloween, nursed again at 7:30 and ended up putting him to bed about 8, which is 20-30 min earlier than usual because he was so tired. So was it the lack of car nap? No solids, so he nursed more before bed? The Halloween jammies? Magic sleep fairy stopped by? Magic sleep fairy for sure. I mean, I’m sure Leaf 🌱 is right and logical but I’m just as sure that magic also plays a part.
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