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Post by chrisy01 on May 16, 2018 20:48:21 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about hormone therapy to stunt growth. I feel like it's one of those things that unless you are in that situation it's hard to make a decision.
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Post by trtlcrzy on May 16, 2018 20:55:16 GMT -6
Hi guys, I’ve had a busy day and have hardly sat. DH is on vacation from work this week so I was able to work at the garden center this morning. Then after work I ran some errands. I also did some yard work and then ate lunch. After that we all went to the zoo as a family. Next was supper and immediately following that we went over to a friend’s house to hang out while the kids played. I’m pooped. I’m ready for a shower and to go to bed.
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Post by snoopmommymom on May 16, 2018 21:00:08 GMT -6
The hormone thing for being too tall is really interesting and it kind of opens a Pandora’s box of things. Like if my child had a super large nose, would I be ok with plastic surgery? Do those fall under the same category or is it just a slippery slope? I agree with snoop and I worry that even if I let my child have input on that decision, are they really mature enough to live with that decision or would it be something they regret? I don't think there's a one size fits all answer, it's provoked a good discussion for sure. I personally think the difference b/n a nose job and something like this is that plastic surgery (in your example) is cosmetic and typically not time-sensitive...you could make a case for waiting until you're 'X' age or whatever without consequence, whereas the height thing has a finite amount of time where you can intervene. I think there are some parallels b/n the height question and a transgender child officially transitioning while still a juvenile. I'm not trying to say it's the exact same issue at all, but I see similarities in certain respects. I actually read a study about the growth hormone thing--they followed a group of 500ish women in the years after some of them opted to slow their growth and some did not. Of the ones that did (I want to say it was about 300), 80% of them were happy with their decision a couple decades later. Of the 200ish that did not, 70-someodd % were happy with their decision years later. So odds were, you were going to be happy with the choice you made. I do think it largely depends on the individual. I think having a transgender child is completely different than having a potentially tall female child. I also think that part of my issue here is that it’s ok for a boy to be 6’4” but not a girl. Because society says girls shouldn’t be that tall? Because she’ll have a hard time buying clothes? Because men will be intimidated by her? I mean, what if she’s a lesbian and doesn’t give a sh$t that men are shorter than her?! What if stunting her growth prevents her from being a famous athlete? What if being tall has its advantages and she doesn’t need to be an athlete or model to qualify being tall?! I used to tell people who commented on my height that i was from the future and one day the rest of the human race will catch up.
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Post by snoopmommymom on May 16, 2018 21:03:16 GMT -6
I’m curious to know what my sister thinks because she is considerably taller than me and i know she had a tougher time in school because of it. I’m going to ask her tomorrow.
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Post by vino on May 16, 2018 21:25:52 GMT -6
I feel bad for Meghan. I think her family are fake wh0res but I don't think she's 100% innocent either. This exactly. I’m at ‘the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree’ in terms of being thirsty for attention. I really cannot stand her fakeness, yuck.
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Post by flamingo on May 16, 2018 22:17:20 GMT -6
I don't think there's a one size fits all answer, it's provoked a good discussion for sure. I personally think the difference b/n a nose job and something like this is that plastic surgery (in your example) is cosmetic and typically not time-sensitive...you could make a case for waiting until you're 'X' age or whatever without consequence, whereas the height thing has a finite amount of time where you can intervene. I think there are some parallels b/n the height question and a transgender child officially transitioning while still a juvenile. I'm not trying to say it's the exact same issue at all, but I see similarities in certain respects. I actually read a study about the growth hormone thing--they followed a group of 500ish women in the years after some of them opted to slow their growth and some did not. Of the ones that did (I want to say it was about 300), 80% of them were happy with their decision a couple decades later. Of the 200ish that did not, 70-someodd % were happy with their decision years later. So odds were, you were going to be happy with the choice you made. I do think it largely depends on the individual. I think having a transgender child is completely different than having a potentially tall female child. I also think that part of my issue here is that it’s ok for a boy to be 6’4” but not a girl. Because society says girls shouldn’t be that tall? Because she’ll have a hard time buying clothes? Because men will be intimidated by her? I mean, what if she’s a lesbian and doesn’t give a sh$t that men are shorter than her?! What if stunting her growth prevents her from being a famous athlete? What if being tall has its advantages and she doesn’t need to be an athlete or model to qualify being tall?! I used to tell people who commented on my height that i was from the future and one day the rest of the human race will catch up. WRT transgender and height, I clearly said "I am not saying these two issues are the same at all", just that there are some similarities--off the top of my head, gauging age/maturity to make the decision, permanence, time-sensitivity, etc. If the reasons you enumerate ARE someone's reasons, who are you to say they're not valid? I don't think society says that women shouldn't be "that tall" (again, I'm talking extremes), but practically speaking, yeah, it can be tough. The other side of the coin is hormone therapy to increase growth...should someone on the super short side be run out of town on a rail for wanting to be 5'0 instead of 4'6? I personally don't think so. At the end of the day, this type of thing is an extremely personal decision. No one here has said that it's for everyone, but I do believe it can be an option.
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Post by nam2013 on May 16, 2018 23:15:19 GMT -6
Was asleep during the discussion. I agree 110% that a child needs to be involved in that decision. I don’t agree with height being compared a trade like a big nose. For me I’m not talking about being a little tall/small, but extremes. Certain features can make people extremely self conscious, to the point where it can really affect their emotional well being. Height is not something you can tackle in later live. With ds being so small when he was born, there wAs small chance he would stay small. I’ve seen people struggle and I think I if I could help this along I would at least consider the option. ETA I see flamingo put the time sensitive issue surrounding this in much better words.
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Post by guster on May 17, 2018 6:32:18 GMT -6
Just catching up on the tail end of these threads.
@sands!!! Congratulations to you. That's such a wonderful feeling to close. I also did power of attorney for my husband, and my hand eas practically cramping by the fifth document. I've never given much thought to hormone therapy for height. I do have friends on either end of the spectrum (two women over 6,2" and one of my best friends at 4'9") and I know, now, as adults, they feel like their height (or lack of) is a part of their personalities. I'm guessing those tween/early teen years might have been easier for them had they done something to change their physical situation, but I don't know how that would've affected their personalities in the later years.
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Post by klong11 on May 17, 2018 7:03:57 GMT -6
I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see Megan Markle as thirsty.
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Post by tgrimes on May 17, 2018 7:25:24 GMT -6
I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see Megan Markle as thirsty. Well, she apparently met Harry while she was "yachting." After they were engaged, she said in interviews she didn't know who he was when they met. Sure, Jan. The rumors surrounding her divorce don't paint her in the best light. She just doesn't seem that genuine and every one hopes her & Harry are actually in love and she's not acting her way through this....if that makes sense.
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Post by flamingo on May 17, 2018 7:36:23 GMT -6
I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see Megan Markle as thirsty. This is where I'm at, too. I mean, everything I've read makes her family seem like the ones who are money-hungry or looking for the proverbial main chance. The sibling(s?) she doesn't really have relationships with are half-siblings and they said themselves they were out of the house by the time she was born, so I can see why you wouldn't be particularly close to them. An aunt and cousin not being invited to the wedding? Maybe slightly unusual, but I'm not sure of how they're related--was it an aunt by marriage, etc. eta: I actually just read something about MM written by a sorority sister of hers from Northwestern (and now a military wife, which is how it came across my radar), it was very complementary of her. eta2: Yeah, I doubt you could 'not know' who Prince Harry was, but maybe that remark was taken out of context or something. I guess i'm just willing to give her the benefit of the doubt b/c I think being in her position would be really tough.
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Post by inthekitty on May 17, 2018 7:45:01 GMT -6
I think one of my biggest concerns with letting the kids weigh in on hormone therapy to stunt growth is they have to make a decision about it at an age when they feel awkward, uncomfortable in their skin, and don't have the self confidence they'll likely develop later in life. I think given the chance most middle schoolers would opt for whatever choice would make them stand out less. It's hard to make a serious medical decision at that age about your appearance when you're so sensitive about it.
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Post by klong11 on May 17, 2018 7:45:48 GMT -6
I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see Megan Markle as thirsty. This is where I'm at, too. I mean, everything I've read makes her family seem like the ones who are money-hungry or looking for the proverbial main chance. The sibling(s?) she doesn't really have relationships with are half-siblings and they said themselves they were out of the house by the time she was born, so I can see why you wouldn't be particularly close to them. An aunt and cousin not being invited to the wedding? Maybe slightly unusual, but I'm not sure of how they're related--was it an aunt by marriage, etc. eta: I actually just read something about MM written by a sorority sister of hers from Northwestern (and now a military wife, which is how it came across my radar), it was very complementary of her. eta2: Yeah, I doubt you could 'not know' who Prince Harry was, but maybe that remark was taken out of context or something. I guess i'm just willing to give her the benefit of the doubt b/c I think being in her position would be really tough. +1 If any of us were suddenly put under a microscope I doubt any of us would get a "passing grade". Well, maybe me cause I'm a sweet angel LOL ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I don't think Harry is stupid and I don't think she is that good of an actress to be able to pretend to be in love with someone without them thinking it's fake. I say, 2 people met, fell in love, and now they are getting married. Congratulations to them.
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Post by vino on May 17, 2018 7:46:09 GMT -6
I guess I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see Megan Markle as thirsty. Well, she apparently met Harry while she was "yachting." After they were engaged, she said in interviews she didn't know who he was when they met. Sure, Jan. The rumors surrounding her divorce don't paint her in the best light. She just doesn't seem that genuine and every one hopes her & Harry are actually in love and she's not acting her way through this....if that makes sense. She’s acting, for sure. Gah, i dislike her. I was so excited to watch Will and Kate’s wedding and love following them but now MM is everywhere and it makes me eye roll
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Post by vino on May 17, 2018 7:51:31 GMT -6
I think one of my biggest concerns with letting the kids weigh in on hormone therapy to stunt growth is they have to make a decision about it at an age when they feel awkward, uncomfortable in their skin, and don't have the self confidence they'll likely develop later in life. I think given the chance most middle schoolers would opt for whatever choice would make them stand out less. It's hard to make a serious medical decision at that age about your appearance when you're so sensitive about it. This exactly. I completely agree. Although nice to say the child would be part of the discussion, a child cannot process the implications of such a decision so the perception would come from what the parents have said.
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Post by inthekitty on May 17, 2018 7:52:14 GMT -6
Now I'm more intrigued that Meagan apparently didn't invite her siblings. It's not like this is a small intimate affair where you have to watch the guest list because you're on a budget. Plus there will be loads of security there so she could even have someone assigned to keeping a-holes in check. Unless my siblings were the biggest assholes in the world I'd invite them to my wedding. And I'm saying that with having a messy family and didn't invite my dad to my wedding.
We also have staggered ages and my sister was out of the house before my half bro was born. There's no distinction that we're "half" sibs and they definitely know each other well. I mean, they share they same mom, live in the same town, and and are at all the same family functions.
I'm kind of loving this drama. I bet the queen isn't. 🤣
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Post by klong11 on May 17, 2018 7:54:17 GMT -6
Unless one of us actually personally knows her I don't think we can be all, "Yep, def. acting. That isn't her at all."
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Post by vino on May 17, 2018 7:55:37 GMT -6
Unless one of us actually personally knows her I don't think we can be all, "Yep, def. acting. That isn't her at all." Then I’ll use the word fake. I think she’s fake, you dont, that’s cool.
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Post by guster on May 17, 2018 7:58:12 GMT -6
I think one of my biggest concerns with letting the kids weigh in on hormone therapy to stunt growth is they have to make a decision about it at an age when they feel awkward, uncomfortable in their skin, and don't have the self confidence they'll likely develop later in life. I think given the chance most middle schoolers would opt for whatever choice would make them stand out less. It's hard to make a serious medical decision at that age about your appearance when you're so sensitive about it. I think this is where I am with it, too.
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Post by sands42 on May 17, 2018 7:59:31 GMT -6
Omg.... Meghan Markle said she didn’t know who Prince Harry was when they met???!!! Hahahahaha 🙄🙄🙄 ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180517/5973eef6206e6509f09bc01f1f192796.jpg)
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Post by klong11 on May 17, 2018 8:01:41 GMT -6
Maybe when they first met he had a hat and sunglasses on and then he introduced himself. In that split second before he was introduced she didn't think "omg, Harry". Like flamingo said, maybe the comment was taken out of context.
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Post by mwhip on May 17, 2018 8:22:01 GMT -6
I don't know...I guess I'm an outlyer because I just can't get it up to give a shit about the royal wedding. I love celebrity gossip, but don't feel one way or the other because it has zero impact on my life.
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Post by peachsmama on May 17, 2018 8:32:23 GMT -6
I think I would recognize Harry because I tend to notice people with red hair. But William is kind of average looking. I don't I would immediately know it was him. Except maybe all the security and Kate on his arm lol.
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Post by tgrimes on May 17, 2018 8:32:46 GMT -6
Maybe when they first met he had a hat and sunglasses on and then he introduced himself. In that split second before he was introduced she didn't think "omg, Harry". Like flamingo said, maybe the comment was taken out of context. You haven't been reading all the royal's threads have you? Lol.
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Post by peachsmama on May 17, 2018 8:33:00 GMT -6
I don't know...I guess I'm an outlyer because I just can't get it up to give a shit about the royal wedding. I love celebrity gossip, but don't feel one way or the other because it has zero impact on my life. I just really like seeing the footage of the royal places and castles. And the dress.
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Post by tgrimes on May 17, 2018 8:34:32 GMT -6
I think I would recognize Harry because I tend to notice people with red hair. But William is kind of average looking. I don't I would immediately know it was him. Except maybe all the security and Kate on his arm lol. Pretty sure the British accent & height would give it away. We've seen pics of them plastered all over the place since 1998. I'm pretty sure we'd know who they were. Don't even reply back to this with "I wasn't born in 1998" because I'll kill you.
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Post by klong11 on May 17, 2018 8:35:44 GMT -6
Maybe when they first met he had a hat and sunglasses on and then he introduced himself. In that split second before he was introduced she didn't think "omg, Harry". Like flamingo said, maybe the comment was taken out of context. You haven't been reading all the royal's threads have you? Lol. Nope. Like mwhip it doesn't interest me.
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Post by peachsmama on May 17, 2018 8:36:28 GMT -6
I think I would recognize Harry because I tend to notice people with red hair. But William is kind of average looking. I don't I would immediately know it was him. Except maybe all the security and Kate on his arm lol. Pretty sure the British accent & height would give it away. We've seen pics of them plastered all over the place since 1998. I'm pretty sure we'd know who they were. Don't even reply back to this with "I wasn't born in 1998" because I'll kill you. Are they super tall? I've never really noticed that. Yes the British accent would do it lol. I was born.. But I was 6 so.. Not into the royals
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Post by vino on May 17, 2018 8:41:20 GMT -6
Omg.... Meghan Markle said she didn’t know who Prince Harry was when they met???!!! Hahahahaha 🙄🙄🙄 ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180517/5973eef6206e6509f09bc01f1f192796.jpg) In her engagement interview when she was talking about whoever set them up her words were 'I dont know who is he, but is he kind' LOL....barf
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Post by tgrimes on May 17, 2018 8:42:31 GMT -6
You haven't been reading all the royal's threads have you? Lol. Nope. Like mwhip it doesn't interest me. Let's just say I don't trust anyone that's yachted because I definitely think you're in it for the money. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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