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Post by crimsonandclover on Apr 9, 2018 3:48:30 GMT -6
What new chaos will this week bring?
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Post by crimsonandclover on Apr 9, 2018 3:48:47 GMT -6
I've been working like 90-hr weeks for the last 4 weeks so haven't been able to do much more than try to keep up and like a few posts, but KOKO, ladies.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 5:56:21 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Apr 9, 2018 7:48:50 GMT -6
Haha there's an account that tracks Trump's Twitter hypocrisy
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Post by byjove on Apr 9, 2018 9:20:44 GMT -6
A really good read on the affordability of diapers.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 9:24:07 GMT -6
So someone has finally done a neurological study on Trump supporters and his base and the findings are exactly as I thought they would be. They are put into 4 make points that explains what is going on inside the mind of a Trump supporter and some of the results were surprising (At least to me). TL:DR for each point or anyone in a rush 1. The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Trump supporters take the political ads and what he says as fact. Even though he is wrong in what he says, supporters take this as fact because they lack expertise in the subject matter. And because they lack the expertise they form a cognitive bias that prevents that prevents them from wanting to go out and do the research to gain expertise. This gives them the feeling that they have enough and in some cases superior information about the subject matter. Simply put when Trump speaks, conservatives take this a the fact and since they take this as fact, when presented with the facts they label it as "fake news" because they don't believe it. They simply don't know they are a novice about something because their brain doesn't know they aren't. They are so stupidly wrong they don't know that they are stupidly wrong and can't ever physically notice it.
2. Hypersensitivity To Threat - This goes toward what deals with when arguing with a Trump supporter. It has been scientifically proven that conservatives have a larger than normal amygdala which reacts to fear and anxiety and negates logic and reason. They are stimulated by things like pictures, videos, and extreme statements. So when they are presented with facts that go against their narrow view such as terrible lines about POCs or immigrants (sorry if I am using the wrong term, I am still working on it), their physical, cognitive reaction is is involuntary and they are stimulated by fear. Because of this they look for someone who will keep them safe and be a hero; of which Trump is fitting the bill by talking about his plans after scaring them. Simply put, Trump uses threats of invasions of immigrants ,or roving bands of POCs destroying towns, or Democrats take your guns away, and it stimulates their fear centers and their involuntary reaction is to retreat into what they know and look for his answers to keep them and what they hold dear safe.
3. Terror Management Theory - This is the basic understanding that humans have an understanding of their mortality and to deal with they create cultural worldviews (i.e. religion, political views). Terror Management talks toward the idea that when people are reminded they are mortal and threaten that ideal they defend those who agree to their narrow world view as well as can lead to nationalism and can also lead people to the right. This action also leads them to act aggressively against those who do not agree which in turn explains the events of Charlottesville. This idea can also influence voting habits. The more they fear for their mortality the more they will vote for an outside candidate that extreme enough to quell that fear by saying they will keep them safe and how they will do it as well as supporting more and more large scale military operations. Also this created inadvertently creating a positive brain response when he uses racist or derogatory statements to characterize those that he is labeling a threat. This odd brain reaction is also a factor of Terror Management. Simply put Trump is using the idea of scare tactics to bring his base to him as seeing him as the one person to keep them safe. Your arguments with Trump supporters fall on deaf ears because they are reacting aggressively because you are treating their way of life with your facts. Terror Management also proves that conservatives get off on the use of racist and derogatory language because it makes them feel superior as well as give them a sense of patriotism and nationalism.
4. High Attentional Engagement - Trump is a showman. There is nothing you can do about that. His base enjoy the fact that he is a reality TV star and he is now bringing his show to their lives and they are loving the fact that they are now "on TV" with him making a difference. They can't wait to see what outlandish thing he is going to do next. But this is where his support splits. Half of his supporters are TV fans the other half are those who enjoy the fact that he is an outsider breaking the government and making it smaller. They are reveling the enjoyment of watching it burn. For this we really can't do anything about, it is pure entertainment or pure disdain for the government. Simply put he is a dancing clown that keeps their attention based on his ridiculousness or his families ridiculousness or he is King Kong on the Empire State Building of America slowly destroying it. And conservatives love it.
Sadly because alot of these issues are neurological there is nothing we can do to convert people easily. TBH I find that this study makes me feel a little superior as many of these people equate to the same reactions as our children. And the fact that they react when cornered back to their religion as the end all be all is like them holding a security blanket. But in that idea I also feel bad for them because they are not using their full potential to make change that everyone can contribute and take advantage with. These findings also give you an idea of what is inside the head of a conservative and it is both scary, gross, sad, childlike, and all around frustrating. Read the article as it links to all the research done by neurosciences and pollsters. It is one hell of a read. A Neuroscientist Explains What Could Be Wrong with Trump Supporters’ BrainsIf I had offended anyone with any of these statements please let me know and I will take them down. I am only trying to convey my understanding of the data mixed with real work reactions of those found online and in person in conversations and arguments. I am interested in this discussion if anyone will take me up on this during the course of this week in this thread.
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 9:31:45 GMT -6
I just received a survey from the RNC which is about as biases as you'd expect. I'm filling it out and returning it anyways. With some remarks.
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Post by piccyami on Apr 9, 2018 9:51:45 GMT -6
A really good read on the affordability of diapers. This makes me so sad. The cost of diapers, wipes, and formula is huge. We could afford it all (times two), but if we were buying it at convenience stores, one pack at a time or one small can at a time, I don't know that we could have. I donate to our local cloth diaper bank when I can because they always need more diapers for loans to families. The cloth bank may not be for everyone, but it helps to take some strain of off the disposable bank.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 10:05:48 GMT -6
I am......very nervous about what could happen between the US and Syria and Russia.
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Post by mb3 on Apr 9, 2018 10:09:25 GMT -6
Conservatives are scientifically proven to have larger than normal amygdalas? Any conservative or just the far right? Because the far right’s behavior is so similar to the far left....
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 10:11:46 GMT -6
Conservatives are scientifically proven to have larger than normal amygdalas? Any conservative or just the far right? Because the far right’s behavior is so similar to the far left.... The article only calls out conservatives.
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 10:27:00 GMT -6
Conservatives are scientifically proven to have larger than normal amygdalas? Any conservative or just the far right? Because the far right’s behavior is so similar to the far left.... I feel like this is an attempt to find an answer that is not entirely accurate. How many people were studied and how were they selected? If they were self selected, you will definitely have skewed results
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Post by enchanted on Apr 9, 2018 10:29:15 GMT -6
I am......very nervous about what could happen between the US and Syria and Russia. Care to join me in digging my fallout shelter? Putin scares the hell out of me.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 9, 2018 10:30:33 GMT -6
Ivanka's clothing line (which is manufactured in China) is exempt from the tariffs.
Oh.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 10:33:58 GMT -6
Conservatives are scientifically proven to have larger than normal amygdalas? Any conservative or just the far right? Because the far right’s behavior is so similar to the far left.... I feel like this is an attempt to find an answer that is not entirely accurate. How many people were studied and how were they selected? If they were self selected, you will definitely have skewed results I am looking for the sample set. Here is an image from the study.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 10:36:10 GMT -6
Found it
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 10:38:50 GMT -6
I feel like this is an attempt to find an answer that is not entirely accurate. How many people were studied and how were they selected? If they were self selected, you will definitely have skewed results I am looking for the sample set. Here is an image from the study. Those are some pretty wide error bars. I am skeptical still
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 9, 2018 10:39:26 GMT -6
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Post by byjove on Apr 9, 2018 10:47:25 GMT -6
Ivanka's clothing line (which is manufactured in China) is exempt from the tariffs. Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:01:43 GMT -6
I am......very nervous about what could happen between the US and Syria and Russia. Care to join me in digging my fallout shelter? Putin scares the hell out of me. I’m not quite there yet, but I do feel action is necessary. I do feel we need to do something. But the implications of that are what held our last administration back from acting on it. But it’s really shitty to sit here and see more babies die. Like I cannot.
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Post by mb3 on Apr 9, 2018 11:21:44 GMT -6
That article is making the cited research sound far more definitive than the peer reviewed article indicates. It makes no allowances for people whose beliefs change and again, divides people strictly into two groups (liberal and conservative) vs considering that the extremes of both parties share significant similarities. I can’t remember who posted it or where it came from, but back when we were discussing how/why some very far left wing voters would support Trump it was pictured showing political affiliation more like a horseshoe than a strict continuum, with extreme left having more in common with the extreme right than the left of Center.
Regarding the study itself: With 5 categories for someone to rank their political beliefs, a sample size of 90 doesn’t seem large enough. Following up with an additional 28 individuals doesn’t seem adequate to confirm the results. The study only used healthy young adults, which is not representative of the population as a whole. Instead the posted article makes it sound as if these findings can be applied more broadly.
I have no issues with saying the Dunning-Kruger effect can explain some of the behavior from Trump’s base. Heck, I think it explains some of his behavior. But to say that this is based on brain structure....yeah that makes me write off the posted article as a whole because I feel like it’s lost credibility. And I think the writer WANTS the reader to feel superior. And that has me feeling a lot of ways, none of which are positive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:25:55 GMT -6
I just received a survey from the RNC which is about as biases as you'd expect. I'm filling it out and returning it anyways. With some remarks. Was it disguised to look like it came from the census bureau?
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 11:32:44 GMT -6
I just received a survey from the RNC which is about as biases as you'd expect. I'm filling it out and returning it anyways. With some remarks. Was it disguised to look like it came from the census bureau? Yep. And it said that it was my second notice (it wasn't). I see you RNC. I'm not giving you my monies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:36:19 GMT -6
Ivanka's clothing line (which is manufactured in China) is exempt from the tariffs. Oh. Of course it is.
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Post by Ls2012 on Apr 9, 2018 11:37:07 GMT -6
I mean, my own particular "brand" of liberalism is based fairly heavily off fear, so...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:37:18 GMT -6
Was it disguised to look like it came from the census bureau? Yep. And it said that it was my second notice (it wasn't). I see you RNC. I'm not giving you my monies. I got the same thing. I was ready to fill it with glitter and write "fuck off" in red crayon but H convinced me I'd end up on some list so I trashed it.
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Post by mb3 on Apr 9, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -6
The implication that someone is superior because of neurological reasons/brain structure is repugnant to me.
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 11:44:02 GMT -6
Yep. And it said that it was my second notice (it wasn't). I see you RNC. I'm not giving you my monies. I got the same thing. I was ready to fill it with glitter and write "fuck off" in red crayon but H convinced me I'd end up on some list so I trashed it. I couldn't help myself. I wrote that the biggest worry facing the future of American foreign policy was Trump himself. And I called Congressional Republicans morons.
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Post by athn64 on Apr 9, 2018 11:44:38 GMT -6
The implication that someone is superior because of neurological reasons/brain structure is repugnant to me. Definitely reaching into eugenics territory there.
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Post by fatpony on Apr 9, 2018 11:53:18 GMT -6
Senator Duckworth had a daughter.
Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) is the first U.S. Senator to give birth while in office. Her office announces the birth of Maile Pearl Bowlsbey, Sen. Duckworth's second child.
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