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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:01:56 GMT -6
I have so much MLM rage I keep typing and deleting. I’m here for it. I’m a little fired up myself.
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tater
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Post by tater on Oct 25, 2017 22:04:31 GMT -6
I have so much MLM rage I keep typing and deleting. I have a Beach Body #momtrepeneur that I could set you up with
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ripper
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Post by ripper on Oct 25, 2017 22:13:23 GMT -6
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 25, 2017 22:15:05 GMT -6
I have so much MLM rage I keep typing and deleting. I’m here for it. I’m a little fired up myself. Like do people who come out from these schemes feel remorse about the guilt-inflicted-sales they made from those who care about them enough to feel guilted into buying something? Because I promise you not everyone who bought from you genuinely wanted that product. Is there a wake up moment when you feel shitty about that? Sorry if this is you. I still like you, we can be friends, this is just something that bugs me. Do people buying the stuff "because I just like the product" not feel morally responsible for supporting these shitty schemes and keeping people drowning in them even longer? Sorry if this is you. This is just a line for me. I know my moral compass is really, really rigid. I hulk rage when I think about how these companies prey on desperation, depression, anxiety, and self worth as their modus for roping in fresh blood. It's so smarmy and it just stinks of rotten shit to me from so far away. It makes me so mad. People who buy into these just want to make life better for themselves at their very core. I'm cynical and jaded as fuck and I don't actually think more people should be like me in that regard. The hope and eagerness that people who get sucked into MLMs have is something I think is very dear and precious and it infuriates me to see that exploited. The majority of people I know who have gotten pulled in are SO LOVELY. And that's what makes them vulnerable to being preyed upon by these vultures? Fuck that. This is just pure ranting.
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 25, 2017 22:17:06 GMT -6
I have so much MLM rage I keep typing and deleting. I have a Beach Body #momtrepeneur that I could set you up with I have let so many friends go due to stupid beach body. I don't say anything I just ghost myself from their friend lists.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 25, 2017 22:17:28 GMT -6
Well this will keep me busy for a few days.
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Post by daometjing on Oct 25, 2017 22:28:08 GMT -6
I also love the fact that the chick who runs the anti LLR blog is shilling another MLM now. As if it is any better than LLR.
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 25, 2017 22:30:58 GMT -6
I also love the fact that the chick who runs the anti LLR blog is shilling another MLM now. As if it is any better than LLR. Nooooooooo really? 🙇🏻♀️why why why why why
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Post by daometjing on Oct 25, 2017 22:37:18 GMT -6
I also love the fact that the chick who runs the anti LLR blog is shilling another MLM now. As if it is any better than LLR. Nooooooooo really? 🙇🏻♀️why why why why why Probably because she has a following and can get them to buy stuff or join her team. She's all "I'm not anti MLM, just anti bad MLM". Apparently since it doesn't require a large inventory purchase, it's not evil, or something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:46:55 GMT -6
Well this will keep me busy for a few days. It’s really interesting.
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 25, 2017 22:50:09 GMT -6
Well this will keep me busy for a few days. It’s really interesting. I'm trying to get In deep but the site is acting very hinky, just me?
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 25, 2017 22:50:29 GMT -6
Nooooooooo really? 🙇🏻♀️why why why why why Probably because she has a following and can get them to buy stuff or join her team. She's all "I'm not anti MLM, just anti bad MLM". Apparently since it doesn't require a large inventory purchase, it's not evil, or something. Le sigh
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:50:57 GMT -6
I forgot why I never bought LLR in the first place. When they were all the rage, I was intrigued because who doesn’t want the most comfortable leggings ever. And then I looked at their website and read about how they wanted to make “modest” clothes for women and I was completely turned off. Like, that can be your brand - conservative clothing. Fine. There’s a market and people will figure out if they like it or not. But to sell it that way. Hell to the no.
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thatgolfb
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 25, 2017 22:52:28 GMT -6
I have avoided this thread because it is... Exactly what I thought it would be.
You guys all know I have bought my fair share of LLR. I have stopped buying in recent months because I just don't need any more clothing, honestly. But I do like much of the clothing I have gotten. I know many people who are bailing on it and selling their stuff at wholesale to get out.
I sell for a MLM company. I guess my moral compass must be... Not rigid? I decided to buy in because I genuinely like the products. I have a FB group and I post new promotions, etc. But I don't ever pressure people to buy. People I work with and my friends don't even know I sell it, unless they have seen it on my FB (and I have mentioned it on my BMB). The only people I have talked to about it IRL are my sister and mom. I don't recruit. I have one person under me, and she came to me seeking information about it that I gave her, and she chose to sign up. People buy stuff off a website, I don't have to hold inventory (I do have a bit, but almost everything I have bought I use myself, or I buy samples to send to people). I do get commission. The few products that require only a consultant to buy, I just don't buy unless someone specifically asks for it.
Sometimes when people post here asking for specific product recommendations, I will mention something I sell that I personally love and use religiously, just as I would with anything else I use. Actually, sometimes I don't even mention it even though I do use it, because I know I will get shit for it here. I don't try to "sell", I don't think, but if people think I am overstepping then please let me know.
I knew what I was getting into when I signed up. It was a pretty minimal financial commitment for me, and I have no obligation to stay active. Everything I spent I got in products that I either sold or use/used myself.
I am probably not answering all questions, but there is my perspective as someone who sells MLM products.
Maybe I am a terrible person? IDK.
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Post by miawallace on Oct 25, 2017 22:53:16 GMT -6
My friend texted me tbis week to ask if I was interested in World financial group and if i wanted to be a part of her team. If I wanted to get extra monies. I told her I hated people and showed up late the day Jesus was handing out focus and determination to people.
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thatgolfb
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 25, 2017 22:53:51 GMT -6
I figure people won't buy stuff unless they want it. How is it my responsibility as a seller if someone buys something they don't actually want? IDK, I see the point there, but I don't think it automatically makes someone a shitty person to sell stuff people don't have to buy.
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thatgolfb
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 25, 2017 22:56:27 GMT -6
I'm definitely going to regret posting lol.
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Post by miawallace on Oct 25, 2017 23:02:45 GMT -6
I figure people won't buy stuff unless they want it. How is it my responsibility as a seller if someone buys something they don't actually want? IDK, I see the point there, but I don't think it automatically makes someone a shitty person to sell stuff people don't have to buy. I think people are trying to point out how it eventually screws over the seller not the customers. We the customers buy dumb shit all the time. That's our bad. In general mlms end up hurting those who end up selling the stuff not the customer. You seem to be a unicorn in this situation. I'm glad you are. Many people can't say the same. I have close friends in mlms and they've been screwed over bad.
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thatgolfb
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 25, 2017 23:05:42 GMT -6
I figure people won't buy stuff unless they want it. How is it my responsibility as a seller if someone buys something they don't actually want? IDK, I see the point there, but I don't think it automatically makes someone a shitty person to sell stuff people don't have to buy. I think people are trying to point out how it eventually screws over the seller not the customers. We the customers buy dumb shit all the time. That's our bad. In general mlms end up hurting those who end up selling the stuff not the customer. You seem to be a unicorn in this situation. I'm glad you are. Many people can't say the same. I have close friends in mlms and they've been screwed over bad. I get that. I don't know much about other MLMs than the one I sell and LLR, which in terms of up front costs and the way they work are very different. I have bought the Arbonne protein powder and it is really good. I bought it off EBay, tho...
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Post by miawallace on Oct 25, 2017 23:11:49 GMT -6
I think people are trying to point out how it eventually screws over the seller not the customers. We the customers buy dumb shit all the time. That's our bad. In general mlms end up hurting those who end up selling the stuff not the customer. You seem to be a unicorn in this situation. I'm glad you are. Many people can't say the same. I have close friends in mlms and they've been screwed over bad. I get that. I don't know much about other MLMs than the one I sell and LLR, which in terms of up front costs and the way they work are very different. I have bought the Arbonne protein powder and it is really good. I bought it off EBay, tho... I bartered some of my fashion earrings for a pair of llr leggings from a friend. SO they were free but not really.
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Post by daometjing on Oct 25, 2017 23:14:26 GMT -6
I think the companies are bad, not necessarily the people who sell MLM products. They make promises of full time money for part time work, even though, in reality very fee people ever make every money. They advertise support from teams, but when things don't work out, they blame the woman for not working hard enough. The supplement and weight loss ones make false, and possibly dangerous medical claims.
I think they lure people in with false promises with how quickly you will make your money back. I think that often consultants misrepresent how much money they make or how many hours they work to build their downline, since that is how they really make money.
Most of the time the products are over priced since they go through so many levels before getting to the consumer. Usually you can find a comparable or better product cheaper. The person who purchases the products isn't the real customer, the consultant is.
The things that MLM sellers do that bother me are sending unsolicited messages to people, or adding them to a Facebook group without consent. I hate getting messages about how I look tired, or do I want to lose the baby weight, and how this product will help. Everyone who sells MLM says they don't do that, but it happens a lot, clearly the companies are promoting this as a sales tactic.
I see a lot of people that bounce from MLM to MLM. If they have been so successful, why did they switch?
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Post by lolacachia on Oct 25, 2017 23:42:16 GMT -6
Every single MLM ends up going to shit. I truly don't understand how people don't get that by now. No, yours isn't going to be any different.
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Post by SweetPotato on Oct 25, 2017 23:49:49 GMT -6
I figure people won't buy stuff unless they want it. How is it my responsibility as a seller if someone buys something they don't actually want? IDK, I see the point there, but I don't think it automatically makes someone a shitty person to sell stuff people don't have to buy. It isn't your responsibility - but 100% of my friends who sell are SAHMs who could use some extra cash. I do feel some sort of guilt if I don't buy something from them. That's on me for sure - but trust there are plenty of people buying crap they don't want/need because they want to be supportive of a friend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 0:01:08 GMT -6
Like this is the kind of thing that guilts people to buy MLM stuff from people they know. Of course it is still the responsibility of the person giving their money, but this is not a normal way to conduct business. This is maybe how someone would ask for charity donations and even then it would be obnoxious. PDQ
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 0:05:43 GMT -6
So, yeah, if you are begging people to buy your wares and you figure out that the product sucks or you already know it does Or you know it’s overpriced, don’t you feel a little something for your friends and family that you begged to spend their hard earned money on? It’s just sort of gross.
And grosser still is that the people who run these companies know that it’s mostly going to be desperate people who maybe don’t have money hitting up their network of probably other desperate, low funds people. And so the cycle goes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 0:10:58 GMT -6
I'm definitely going to regret posting lol. Lady, you know I love you. I think you are entitled to your experiences and opinions. But I do think your a bit naive on this front. Like people’s lives are being ruined over this kind of stuff. You have the smarts and confidence to not get in too deep and not buy product you can’t sell. But you are also not the target for these types of companies in terms of consultants. They want people to feel the pressure. They want people to buy too much from them. Because then it’s sales that they don’t have to really work for.
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Pistol
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Post by Pistol on Oct 26, 2017 0:47:10 GMT -6
I guess I’m more along the line of thatgolfb when I was selling. I made a post when I onboarded because I was excited and then that was it. Until I decided to quit. I had people coming up to me saying they didn’t even know I sold when I was doing GOOB sales. I did send out cold messages to a few good customers about hosting a party but mostly they came to me. I didn’t recruit, though one girl sought me out and wanted info and eventually joined. I was very upfront that it took work and time to make money. Maybe my lack of willingness to bombard friends and family is part of why I didn’t succeed? Even if it is, I don’t care. I’m not one to pester my family and friends. Hell my MIL was in deep as a customer and only bought a few things from me. She mostly shopped sales on Facebook.
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Cher
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Post by Cher on Oct 26, 2017 2:43:25 GMT -6
I bought LLR at some holiday boutique last year. It was at its peak so I decided to buy a couple of pairs and see what the rage was all about.
I was underwhelmed. They did not suck in my fat, they were not like butter, they were poorly made and they made my thighs look loud AF. I'll take some black Hue leggings any day.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on Oct 26, 2017 5:20:24 GMT -6
You know what bugs me? The people who publicly post on FB complaining about getting notifications about game requests and how it’s SO annoying, are the same ones who invite you to groups for this legging and Tupperware garbage without asking first.
It’s such a small thing but it really grinds my gears for some reason.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on Oct 26, 2017 5:21:32 GMT -6
^^^that should be an unpopular opinion. Imma c&p.
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