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Post by dc2london on Feb 20, 2024 15:54:21 GMT -6
I’m not a regular poster over here, but I’ve been trying to process this since I heard about this last night. As a IVF mama, it’s absolutely horrifying and brings up so many questions, especially about non-viable embryos. Donating them to science would be abortion in their eyes but I can’t imagine people paying storage fees forever. Also, just because it’s an embryo doesn’t mean it will turn into a pregnancy (I had 10 embryos total, 4 were non-viable, and out of the other 6 I have 1 living child, 2 in heaven, and 3 embryos with normal chromosomes that didn’t take). It’s just mind blowing. (((Hugs)))
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Post by dc2london on Feb 20, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -6
My teen is a sneaker head and he was like, "wearing those gold nightmares is a great way to let everyone know you're an idiot" 😅 am 0% surprised you have a witty, intelligent kid. My kids are hilarious! I am #blessed
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Post by enchanted on Feb 20, 2024 16:23:43 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 21, 2024 5:14:54 GMT -6
I’m not a regular poster over here, but I’ve been trying to process this since I heard about this last night. As a IVF mama, it’s absolutely horrifying and brings up so many questions, especially about non-viable embryos. Donating them to science would be abortion in their eyes but I can’t imagine people paying storage fees forever. Also, just because it’s an embryo doesn’t mean it will turn into a pregnancy (I had 10 embryos total, 4 were non-viable, and out of the other 6 I have 1 living child, 2 in heaven, and 3 embryos with normal chromosomes that didn’t take). It’s just mind blowing. it is mind blowing. And I hate the worry that must now be on the minds of so many women. Hugs to you. The scariest part to me is that in the dissent the justice cook clearly expresses that this ruling will end the creation of frozen embryos in Alabama, and thus IVF. This means these judges knew that, considered it and ultimately didn't care. This isn't just men not understanding about women's anatomy or health, it's men not giving a shit. And one women justice too I might add. And that is scary.
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Post by byjove on Feb 21, 2024 9:03:09 GMT -6
I saw a tweet about embryos in TX if Abbott could be held accountable for mass murder the next time there is a massive power outage like during that winter a few years ago... The people in AL have really not thought this through.
(not to say I wouldn't love to see Abbott be held accountable for something, but you know that he'd get out of it somehow)
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Post by willow on Feb 21, 2024 9:52:18 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country.
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Post by cakewench on Feb 21, 2024 10:26:41 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country. And what if you go through a round but the embryo doesn't take? Can you be held responsible? Like wtaf. Going through IVF can already feel isolating for so many, adding this extra layer "should I tell anyone in case it doesn't work and I could be reported" is just cruel. I'm so fucking mad.
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Post by crazycatlady6 on Feb 21, 2024 10:46:16 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country. And what if you go through a round but the embryo doesn't take? Can you be held responsible? Like wtaf. Going through IVF can already feel isolating for so many, adding this extra layer "should I tell anyone in case it doesn't work and I could be reported" is just cruel. I'm so fucking mad. Dear Lord, I never thought of that. Or the possibility that it does take, you have a miscarriage, then need a D&C because your body holds onto the fetus. I know there is an abortion ban but that’s a real possibility (and happened with my first miscarriage). All of this just sickens me. Fuck AL and everybody that follows their suit.
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Post by clucky on Feb 21, 2024 11:03:32 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country. And what if you go through a round but the embryo doesn't take? Can you be held responsible? Like wtaf. Going through IVF can already feel isolating for so many, adding this extra layer "should I tell anyone in case it doesn't work and I could be reported" is just cruel. I'm so fucking mad. This was exactly the conversation that happened when the first terrible bill came up in the NE Legislature. None of the life begins at conception people considered this. It barely failed, but IVF wasn’t a thought in their peabrains. I hate that so many people cannot just admit they don’t ficking know everything.
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Post by byjove on Feb 21, 2024 13:57:21 GMT -6
Health systems in AL are suspending all IVF procedures.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 21, 2024 15:04:09 GMT -6
Oh my god. As an IVF veteran this is so upsetting. I’ll never forget getting all the paperwork notarized about what happens to the embryos we might have had left in certain circumstances (divorce, one or both of us dying). It’s was agonizing already going through all that without having to worry about legal repercussions. And making decisions about what and how many to transfer each cycle was a nightmare in normal times.
It feels so handmaid’s tale. What the hell.
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Post by AmyG on Feb 21, 2024 15:15:47 GMT -6
Goddamnedmotherfuckingsonofabitchinasshole judges in that ruling. Are they insane?
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Post by cnf on Feb 21, 2024 15:33:01 GMT -6
Health systems in AL are suspending all IVF procedures. Oh my God. I can't imagine being mid cycle, or at any point of an IVF cycle, and having it come to screeching halt because the government is putting their opinions where they don't belong. This is complete bullshit. I hate this.
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Post by AmyG on Feb 21, 2024 16:14:12 GMT -6
All those deep in ivf should sue in civil court for pain suffering and costs back
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Post by clucky on Feb 21, 2024 16:16:04 GMT -6
When my sister lived in Denmark, IVF was considered treatment for her endo. Fully covered 2 rounds. We were already so backwards here with our healthcare, now we are backsliding so quickly.
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Post by elle on Feb 21, 2024 16:36:31 GMT -6
This is the chief justice of the court that ruled against IVF. I just can't.
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Post by enchanted on Feb 21, 2024 20:08:51 GMT -6
Health systems in AL are suspending all IVF procedures. Fucking hell.
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Post by peachesncream on Feb 21, 2024 23:49:25 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country. When I read the initial case I missed the fact that a patient had accessed the embryos, I thought I read that a nurse had tripped and fallen while holding them. But that opens a rabbit hole - who is held responsible if the freezers fail? If I, a clumsy nurse, drop a tube with an embryo? Am I now charged with manslaughter? It opens up a whole lot of ick for people trying to do that job and I just really feel for them.
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Post by peachesncream on Feb 22, 2024 0:01:59 GMT -6
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Post by LaRo422 on Feb 22, 2024 7:47:32 GMT -6
OMG I watched the body cam footage, including the slo-mo of the acorn hitting the roof. So much wtf.
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Post by crazycatlady6 on Feb 22, 2024 9:00:09 GMT -6
I’m glad the officer resigned. Even though the 2 tours he did in Afghanistan were not in combat, I wonder if PTSD came back with him. There’s definitely something going on mentally and I hope he gets the help he needs if that is the case.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 22, 2024 9:41:17 GMT -6
It is absolutely devastating what happened to the couple that filed the AL lawsuit. The hospital absolutely should be held liable for extreme negligence because what in the actual fuck to a patient just being able to wander around and access a freaking cryogenic storage room. But the wrongful death side of this makes me see red. As if it isn’t already traumatizing enough to go through IVF. Adding the fear that you could be charged with murder if you want to discard of your unused or nonviable embryos. Fuck this country. When I read the initial case I missed the fact that a patient had accessed the embryos, I thought I read that a nurse had tripped and fallen while holding them. But that opens a rabbit hole - who is held responsible if the freezers fail? If I, a clumsy nurse, drop a tube with an embryo? Am I now charged with manslaughter? It opens up a whole lot of ick for people trying to do that job and I just really feel for them. And what about embryos already frozen? Are forcing people to implant them? Making them keep them frozen in perpetuity? And what happens when the parents pass away? Do we need to put embryo guardians in our wills? I used to think i was too dumb to survive law school but some of these judges do not use their brains
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Post by byjove on Feb 22, 2024 10:18:52 GMT -6
When I read the initial case I missed the fact that a patient had accessed the embryos, I thought I read that a nurse had tripped and fallen while holding them. But that opens a rabbit hole - who is held responsible if the freezers fail? If I, a clumsy nurse, drop a tube with an embryo? Am I now charged with manslaughter? It opens up a whole lot of ick for people trying to do that job and I just really feel for them. And what about embryos already frozen? Are forcing people to implant them? Making them keep them frozen in perpetuity? And what happens when the parents pass away? Do we need to put embryo guardians in our wills? I used to think i was too dumb to survive law school but some of these judges do not use their brains Aren't the embryos also only good for a certain number of years? Also saw something really horrifying Hand Maiden style theories about forced implantation, and my head exploded.
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Post by imapenguin on Feb 22, 2024 10:21:23 GMT -6
A friend of mine was telling me that when she quit paying for her embryo storage in Louisiana they had to be shipped elsewhere to be defrosted and it was a huge pain in the ass. I wonder how the laws there compare to Alabama.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 22, 2024 10:38:58 GMT -6
A friend of mine was telling me that when she quit paying for her embryo storage in Louisiana they had to be shipped elsewhere to be defrosted and it was a huge pain in the ass. I wonder how the laws there compare to Alabama. if the embryo is legally a child you have to think about crossing state lines with them...
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 22, 2024 10:39:36 GMT -6
This is the slippery slope
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Post by crazycatlady6 on Feb 22, 2024 10:45:04 GMT -6
A friend of mine was telling me that when she quit paying for her embryo storage in Louisiana they had to be shipped elsewhere to be defrosted and it was a huge pain in the ass. I wonder how the laws there compare to Alabama. My next thought to piggy-back that is if people stop paying storage fees, they could get charged with manslaughter or murder.
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Post by willow on Feb 22, 2024 10:53:04 GMT -6
This is the slippery slope Yep. There are so many theoretical nightmares stemming from such a broad strokes law and none of it is good.
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Post by imapenguin on Feb 22, 2024 11:38:25 GMT -6
A friend of mine was telling me that when she quit paying for her embryo storage in Louisiana they had to be shipped elsewhere to be defrosted and it was a huge pain in the ass. I wonder how the laws there compare to Alabama. My next thought to piggy-back that is if people stop paying storage fees, they could get charged with manslaughter or murder. Or does the state have to take possession of the child and care for it indefinitely or make it available for adoption?
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Post by dc2london on Feb 22, 2024 12:11:12 GMT -6
And what if you go through a round but the embryo doesn't take? Can you be held responsible? Like wtaf. Going through IVF can already feel isolating for so many, adding this extra layer "should I tell anyone in case it doesn't work and I could be reported" is just cruel. I'm so fucking mad. Dear Lord, I never thought of that. Or the possibility that it does take, you have a miscarriage, then need a D&C because your body holds onto the fetus. I know there is an abortion ban but that’s a real possibility (and happened with my first miscarriage). All of this just sickens me. Fuck AL and everybody that follows their suit. TW peregnancy loss I had to have a D&C bc the fetal cardiac activity had stopped weeks prior but my bidy still thought it was pregnant (amd I still had every single symptom, including HG. Fun!) I was in no imminent danger but, without a D&C, eventually, I could have developed sepsis if my body didn't spontaneously miscarry. And this is a common story!
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