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Post by miawallace on Nov 8, 2023 18:31:37 GMT -6
No I’m not above name calling. If you think what is happening is Israel right to defend itself- fuck you. And your mother. And all 7 of your next generations and bloodlines. Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. When Israel has the right to protect its people, why aren’t Palestinians included? Should they not be protected against Hamas too? Why are they not? Why are they disposable and not the other citizens of the same country?
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Post by babybean on Nov 8, 2023 18:32:33 GMT -6
If Hamas was hiding in tunnels under Tel Aviv, would you be okay with Israeli bombing the city the way they are bombing Gaza? Why or why not? What the hell. I say I'm not ok with the bombing. Why do you think I'm ok with the bombing. I'm not. It's not ok. How many times do I have to say that the Israeli govt should go about it a different way. You keep saying you’re sad and not okay with bombing but Israel has a right to “defend” itself. They’re “defending” themselves by razing Gaza. You’re okay with it enough to dismiss them as sad causalities of war, so I’m asking if you would think the same if they were under Tel Aviv or another Israeli city.
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Post by tookie on Nov 8, 2023 18:32:41 GMT -6
If Hamas was hiding in tunnels under Tel Aviv, would you be okay with Israeli bombing the city the way they are bombing Gaza? Why or why not? What the hell. I say I'm not ok with the bombing. Why do you think I'm ok with the bombing. I'm not. It's not ok. How many times do I have to say that the Israeli govt should go about it a different way. . If you aren’t ok with it condemn it. Why hasn’t the government managed to take out one measly group? They’ve bombed hospitals, mosques, schools and yet Hamas is unattainable?
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Post by babybean on Nov 8, 2023 18:37:15 GMT -6
Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. When Israel has the right to protect its people, why aren’t Palestinians included? Should they not be protected against Hamas too? Why are they not? Why are they disposable and not the other citizens of the same country? I kid you not, the response I keep seeing is that this *is* Israel protecting Palestinians….from Hamas. 😶
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Post by miawallace on Nov 8, 2023 18:40:12 GMT -6
When Israel has the right to protect its people, why aren’t Palestinians included? Should they not be protected against Hamas too? Why are they not? Why are they disposable and not the other citizens of the same country? I kid you not, the response I keep seeing is that this *is* Israel protecting Palestinians….from Hamas. 😶 I loathe the condescending conversation around Palestinians like they don’t know anything and the adults are out here taking. It’s a way to stop their voice from the conversation. It’s insulting.
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Post by miawallace on Nov 8, 2023 18:46:44 GMT -6
Can we acknowledge that everytime the bipoc crowd gets to loud and too angry for the Dems they send out Obama to try to pacify things? 😂
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 18:53:20 GMT -6
Can we acknowledge that everytime the bipoc crowd gets to loud and too angry for the Dems they send out Obama to try to pacify things? 😂 I call it the Lizzy Warren strategy. I don’t know what he’s saying now but his first statement on the issue was disappointing and I had to pretend I didn’t read it. I know he’s far from perfect but he’s still my fav president and I get sad when he disappoints me.
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Post by lifesaverz on Nov 8, 2023 18:57:42 GMT -6
I guess it's the sad casualty of war sentiment as a previous poster said, that I can't get on board with. I'm generally anti-war anyway, so there's that. But on top of it, the whole international community is saying this isn't a normal war. Because the people are trapped, with no way out, & there isn't the humanitarian aid there normally would be in those situations, or at least not nearly enough. I do understand the need to get rid of Hamas. But this seems like the lowest of humanity ways to do it somehow. Bombing & starving children. I don't believe they should've cut the water & power. I strongly feel there should be way more aid, & more targeted attacks than what this has seemed to be. I get that in any war there will be innocent casualties unfortunately. But this is just too much. Israel is part of it, but I don't hold just them responsible either. I'm also angry that Egypt won't open their borders to women & children at least. People can @ me all they want about that, but it won't change my mind. They could help, & they won't. They're responsible too at least in part, for the being trapped aspect of this.
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Post by SweetPotato on Nov 8, 2023 19:02:32 GMT -6
I hadn’t seen this. Resonates with me as well
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 19:03:05 GMT -6
Oh I watched the video. It was better than his written statement. As tends to be his way. But, man, idk. I appreciate the thoughts on multiple things being true. But like - I expect more from him.
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Post by miawallace on Nov 8, 2023 19:03:36 GMT -6
Can we acknowledge that everytime the bipoc crowd gets to loud and too angry for the Dems they send out Obama to try to pacify things? 😂 I call it the Lizzy Warren strategy. I don’t know what he’s saying now but his first statement on the issue was disappointing and I had to pretend I didn’t read it. I know he’s far from perfect but he’s still my fav president and I get sad when he disappoints me. I don’t like that he is knocking social media activism. People aren’t eating up the usual talking points anymore. I’m thankful for social media bc I’ve learned so much. More than when I was in college. And not proponga dar crap. Authors and historians. Personal lived experiences. Without social media everyone would have still been in the darkness and oblivious to any of the prior to Oct 7 stuff. But I also read that he has known for a long time about the Palestinian cause. Gave lectures about it and what not. From his early days. Knew the arguments and still had the audacity to give his initial statement. It’s disappointing.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 19:07:34 GMT -6
I call it the Lizzy Warren strategy. I don’t know what he’s saying now but his first statement on the issue was disappointing and I had to pretend I didn’t read it. I know he’s far from perfect but he’s still my fav president and I get sad when he disappoints me. I don’t like that he is knocking social media activism. People aren’t eating up the usual talking points anymore. I’m thankful for social media bc I’ve learned so much. More than when I was in college. And not proponga dar crap. Authors and historians. Personal lived experiences. Without social media everyone would have still been in the darkness and oblivious to any of the prior to Oct 7 stuff. But I also read that he has known for a long time about the Palestinian cause. Gave lectures about it and what not. From his early days. Knew the arguments and still had the audacity to give his initial statement. It’s disappointing. Exactly. I think calling out grifters on social media is one thing. But sweeping all social media activism as not helping or furthering the discourse is rough.
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Post by STP on Nov 8, 2023 19:13:54 GMT -6
I don’t like that he is knocking social media activism. People aren’t eating up the usual talking points anymore. I’m thankful for social media bc I’ve learned so much. More than when I was in college. And not proponga dar crap. Authors and historians. Personal lived experiences. Without social media everyone would have still been in the darkness and oblivious to any of the prior to Oct 7 stuff. But I also read that he has known for a long time about the Palestinian cause. Gave lectures about it and what not. From his early days. Knew the arguments and still had the audacity to give his initial statement. It’s disappointing. Exactly. I think calling out grifters on social media is one thing. But sweeping all social media activism as not helping or furthering the discourse is rough. It’s especially rich given how big a part SM played in his being elected. And how much his campaign crowed about that.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 19:14:49 GMT -6
The reality re: Egypt though is that they can’t stop the bombing and they are not stable enough to take in refugees en masse. I mean, it would be difficult for any nation to just full steam take in 1 M plus people. So unless they get significant help from the west, asking them to open the border is pretty unfair. They would basically be letting a bunch of people in to probably die on their land instead. Not even touching on the possibly letting terrorists in with refugees in part.
Israel can stop the bombing. Israel can stop committing war crimes. The west can put pressure on them to do so. But instead we are supporting it with supplies and money.
That’s why I can’t blame Egypt. They aren’t in control here. They are but a bit player.
And even so, I mean at the end of the day, stop the bombing and let the Palestinians stay in Gaza. Because fuck displacing people.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Nov 8, 2023 19:16:22 GMT -6
No I’m not above name calling. If you think what is happening is Israel right to defend itself- fuck you. And your mother. And all 7 of your next generations and bloodlines. Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. No I’m not above name calling. If you think what is happening is Israel right to defend itself- fuck you. And your mother. And all 7 of your next generations and bloodlines. Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. There’s women in Palestine having csection without anesthesia in Palestine because Israel is committing acts of genocide. You list your mother while mothers in Palestine are rocking the pieces of their dead children. While husbands bury pregnant wives. While the premature infants die because the ventilators ran out of power while Israel defy all conventional rules of war as they behave like Hitler. So again- bitch- fuck you if you think this is about Israel having right to defend itself. No it’s about wanting all of the lands of Palestine. Israel wants from the river to the sea for themselves .
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Post by Nonniedee on Nov 8, 2023 19:17:08 GMT -6
Obama can eat a dick with his condescending bullshit
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 19:17:13 GMT -6
Exactly. I think calling out grifters on social media is one thing. But sweeping all social media activism as not helping or furthering the discourse is rough. It’s especially rich given how big a part SM played in his being elected. And how much his campaign crowed about that. Yes. Same brain. I had a whole thing I was going to write about that but again I have to stuff it down because if I don’t even like my fav President any more what do I have. (I’m being hyperbolic of course).
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Nov 8, 2023 19:17:46 GMT -6
Can we acknowledge that everytime the bipoc crowd gets to loud and too angry for the Dems they send out Obama to try to pacify things? 😂 He’s the good Negro. Frankly, fuck him too.
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Post by htkvgrl on Nov 8, 2023 19:18:04 GMT -6
I guess it's the sad casualty of war sentiment as a previous poster said, that I can't get on board with. I'm generally anti-war anyway, so there's that. But on top of it, the whole international community is saying this isn't a normal war. Because the people are trapped, with no way out, & there isn't the humanitarian aid there normally would be in those situations, or at least not nearly enough. I do understand the need to get rid of Hamas. But this seems like the lowest of humanity ways to do it somehow. Bombing & starving children. I don't believe they should've cut the water & power. I strongly feel there should be way more aid, & more targeted attacks than what this has seemed to be. I get that in any war there will be innocent casualties unfortunately. But this is just too much. Israel is part of it, but I don't hold just them responsible either. I'm also angry that Egypt won't open their borders to women & children at least. People can @ me all they want about that, but it won't change my mind. They could help, & they won't. They're responsible too at least in part, for the being trapped aspect of this. I agree with everything you said. I don't want to give off a "sad casualty of war sentiment." That's not ok, how the government is going about this war is not ok. There needs to be another way.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2023 19:19:09 GMT -6
How can we call it a war though?
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Post by tookie on Nov 8, 2023 19:20:18 GMT -6
I guess it's the sad casualty of war sentiment as a previous poster said, that I can't get on board with. I'm generally anti-war anyway, so there's that. But on top of it, the whole international community is saying this isn't a normal war. Because the people are trapped, with no way out, & there isn't the humanitarian aid there normally would be in those situations, or at least not nearly enough. I do understand the need to get rid of Hamas. But this seems like the lowest of humanity ways to do it somehow. Bombing & starving children. I don't believe they should've cut the water & power. I strongly feel there should be way more aid, & more targeted attacks than what this has seemed to be. I get that in any war there will be innocent casualties unfortunately. But this is just too much. Israel is part of it, but I don't hold just them responsible either. I'm also angry that Egypt won't open their borders to women & children at least. People can @ me all they want about that, but it won't change my mind. They could help, & they won't. They're responsible too at least in part, for the being trapped aspect of this. I agree with everything you said. I don't want to give off a "sad casualty of war sentiment." That's not ok, how the government is going about this war is not ok. There needs to be another way. this isn’t a war. Palestinians aren’t fighting back. They are trying to stay alive. Call it what it is: genocide. A massacre.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Nov 8, 2023 19:23:50 GMT -6
Exactly. I think calling out grifters on social media is one thing. But sweeping all social media activism as not helping or furthering the discourse is rough. It’s especially rich given how big a part SM played in his being elected. And how much his campaign crowed about that. Like how he hated the executive power yielded by his predecessor but went on to do the same thing. 🙈🙉🙊
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Nov 8, 2023 19:24:53 GMT -6
How can we call it a war though? Because when we call it war it makes it a fair fight. It becomes equitable. When we call it genocide it paints Israel as the land hungry genocidal homicidal maniac that the government is.
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Post by htkvgrl on Nov 8, 2023 19:25:43 GMT -6
Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. Why is everything I'm saying misinterpreted?? I said no they should not be bombing indiscriminately. I said I wish there was another way. I don't agree with how the govt is responding because the Palestinians are suffering. I've said many times that's not ok. Israel still has to protect its people when Hamas says it's going to repeat the attacks again and again. But not how they are doing it. Why do I have to repeat myself?? And thank you for that. My mom died a painful slow death from Cancer 4 years ago so you can feel good about yourself. There’s women in Palestine having csection without anesthesia in Palestine because Israel is committing acts of genocide. You list your mother while mothers in Palestine are rocking the pieces of their dead children. While husbands bury pregnant wives. While the premature infants die because the ventilators ran out of power while Israel defy all conventional rules of war as they behave like Hitler. So again- bitch- fuck you if you think this is about Israel having right to defend itself. No it’s about wanting all of the lands of Palestine. Israel wants from the river to the sea for themselves . Like I said, how the government is going about trying to eradicate Hamas is not the right way. I don't know what the right way is, but it's horrible what is happening to the people in Gaza. None of it is ok. Both sides are not following the rules of war (Hamas) the whole thing is fucked.
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Post by SweetPotato on Nov 8, 2023 19:27:35 GMT -6
I guess I just don’t see what the answer is that seems so obvious to most of you.
I agree there should be a cease fire or pause at a minimum so innocent Palestinians stop being slaughtered. It’s clearly a humanitarian crisis that must be stopped.
I also agree that during the cease fire the terrorist organization that shall not be named will take the opportunity to attack, kill, and kidnap more Jews.
I was nodding along with Obama because yes there are dirty hands on both sides and yes we have to look forward to attempt to find a solution.
Unfortunately I have little hope that there is a workable solution to this problem. Both sides seem to want to rid the world of the other.
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Post by STP on Nov 8, 2023 19:32:25 GMT -6
There’s women in Palestine having csection without anesthesia in Palestine because Israel is committing acts of genocide. You list your mother while mothers in Palestine are rocking the pieces of their dead children. While husbands bury pregnant wives. While the premature infants die because the ventilators ran out of power while Israel defy all conventional rules of war as they behave like Hitler. So again- bitch- fuck you if you think this is about Israel having right to defend itself. No it’s about wanting all of the lands of Palestine. Israel wants from the river to the sea for themselves . Like I said, how the government is going about trying to eradicate Hamas is not the right way. I don't know what the right way is, but it's horrible what is happening to the people in Gaza. None of it is ok. Both sides are not following the rules of war (Hamas) the whole thing is fucked. This is why you’re being “misinterpreted.” We are all perfectly aware of what Hamas is. Your refusal to talk about Israel’s acts of genocide without a caveat - still, after all this conversation -means you’re being interpreted exactly right. Those guilt trips of yours don’t do anything but shame the cause you think you speak for.
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Post by STP on Nov 8, 2023 19:34:24 GMT -6
I also agree that during the cease fire the terrorist organization that shall not be named. People have talked candidly about Hamas here. What was this meant to suggest?
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Post by SweetPotato on Nov 8, 2023 19:37:01 GMT -6
I also agree that during the cease fire the terrorist organization that shall not be named. People have talked candidly about Hamas here. What was this meant to suggest? People have said many many times they’re tired of hearing about Hamas
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Post by STP on Nov 8, 2023 19:40:14 GMT -6
People have talked candidly about Hamas here. What was this meant to suggest? People have said many many times they’re tired of hearing about Hamas SP, I don’t want to fight with you but that is an incredibly disingenuous framing. And very dismissive of very serious conversations being had. They’re tired of the “but Hamas” deflection. That’s not the same thing, and I don’t think you mean to be insulting but that is. How many more times do they have to say Hamas is a terrorist organization. Because it’s been a lot as it is.
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Post by SweetPotato on Nov 8, 2023 19:44:05 GMT -6
People have said many many times they’re tired of hearing about Hamas SP, I don’t want to fight with you but that is an incredibly disingenuous framing. And very dismissive of very serious conversations being had. They’re tired of the “but Hamas” deflection. That’s not the same thing, and I don’t think you mean to be insulting but that is. How many more times do they have to say Hamas is a terrorist organization. Because it’s been a lot as it is. Definitely didn’t mean to be insulting but wanted to ward off those “not again” responses ETA I don’t know how people are going to take my statement and can see some interpreting it as a “but Hamas” statement Truly I just see this as an impossibly complicated situation
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