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Post by elle on Mar 6, 2023 17:39:45 GMT -6
If I remember correctly ldubhawksfan, it's his brother (Fred) that's terrible and ruined.
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Post by Minerva on Mar 6, 2023 17:53:53 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is saying to not change their behavior if they are in a position where they can. Just we don't always know. How many here didn't know about Target before this? And I think I can safely say that everyone here is pretty tuned into what's going on, more so than the average person. Knowing all that, it does feel pointless sometimes. It doesn't mean that people won't try, but it does feel that way. (Example: The feeling of pointlessness every time I drive past a Chik-fil-a with a drive-thru line spilling out onto the road. I still don't get food there, but...) Yes. They said in the NYT article that it is occurring everywhere throughout the US economy. You will find connections to child labor in the supply chains of almost all industries in the US right now if you look for them. There are situations where boycotts can be effective, but I’m skeptical this is one of them. The problem is so much larger than corporate policy, although of course corporate policy can help reduce it. It’s an awful combination of demand for inexpensive labor and the supply of desperate children who are scrambling to survive and being exploited in the process. Ultimately, it is driven by the economic and geopolitical instability in Central and South America that is pushing waves of children to migrate to the US without their families or reliable forms of financial support. We need to invest in the stability of the global south. We need to crack down on the people trafficking kids. And of course we need to enforce child labor laws. But we also need to make sure migrant children have a safe place to live, food to eat, and access to education without having to resort to working. We need to provide more social services to migrant children after they enter the US and right now we are absolutely failing to do so. Until we do that, these kids will just be pushed from one exploitive industry to another as they try to stay alive with no access to social services.
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Post by sifl on Mar 6, 2023 18:15:21 GMT -6
I’m not going to stop shopping at Target. 🤷🏼♀️ I can’t be perfect with my shopping habits. I have two disabled toddlers and mental illness that I have to constantly keep in check plus an insanely busy job that has been adding more and more to my plate. Grocery drive up at target keeps me sane. I honestly don’t even care if it is flammable. It shouldn’t be up to us to fix this problem. For the record I’m not flaming anyone and will continue to rely heavily on Target drive up for similar reasons. I never bought their baked goods but if I did I’d think about whether I could sub those. I know it’s not on us to fix everything wrong in the world, but I also feel like if I can do *something*, I won’t despair so much.
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Post by sifl on Mar 6, 2023 18:16:08 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is saying to not change their behavior if they are in a position where they can. Just we don't always know. How many here didn't know about Target before this? And I think I can safely say that everyone here is pretty tuned into what's going on, more so than the average person. Knowing all that, it does feel pointless sometimes. It doesn't mean that people won't try, but it does feel that way. (Example: The feeling of pointlessness every time I drive past a Chik-fil-a with a drive-thru line spilling out onto the road. I still don't get food there, but...) Yes. They said in the NYT article that it is occurring everywhere throughout the US economy. You will find connections to child labor in the supply chains of almost all industries in the US right now if you look for them. There are situations where boycotts can be effective, but I’m skeptical this is one of them. The problem is so much larger than corporate policy, although of course corporate policy can help reduce it. It’s an awful combination of demand for inexpensive labor and the supply of desperate children who are scrambling to survive and being exploited in the process. Ultimately, it is driven by the economic and geopolitical instability in Central and South America that is pushing waves of children to migrate to the US without their families or reliable forms of financial support. We need to invest in the stability of the global south. We need to crack down on the people trafficking kids. And of course we need to enforce child labor laws. But we also need to make sure migrant children have a safe place to live, food to eat, and access to education without having to resort to working. We need to provide more social services to migrant children after they enter the US and right now we are absolutely failing to do so. Until we do that, these kids will just be pushed from one exploitive industry to another as they try to stay alive with no access to social services. It seems like DHS really dropped the ball due to being pushed to get the kids out of the border camps.
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Post by willow on Mar 6, 2023 18:21:09 GMT -6
I’m not going to stop shopping at Target. 🤷🏼♀️ I can’t be perfect with my shopping habits. I have two disabled toddlers and mental illness that I have to constantly keep in check plus an insanely busy job that has been adding more and more to my plate. Grocery drive up at target keeps me sane. I honestly don’t even care if it is flammable. It shouldn’t be up to us to fix this problem. For the record I’m not flaming anyone and will continue to rely heavily on Target drive up for similar reasons. I never bought their baked goods but if I did I’d think about whether I could sub those. I know it’s not on us to fix everything wrong in the world, but I also feel like if I can do *something*, I won’t despair so much. I get that and it’s why I choose not to patronize places like Hobby Lobby and CFA since it’s easy and they have many alternatives. If I had the time and budget to solely shop at a local co-op for all my stuff, I would. Well aside from the fact that those places would never be stuff my kids would regularly eat lol. If anything it makes me want to write more to Congress people to make extensive changes.
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Post by origami on Mar 6, 2023 19:14:18 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is saying to not change their behavior if they are in a position where they can. Just we don't always know. How many here didn't know about Target before this? And I think I can safely say that everyone here is pretty tuned into what's going on, more so than the average person. Knowing all that, it does feel pointless sometimes. It doesn't mean that people won't try, but it does feel that way. (Example: The feeling of pointlessness every time I drive past a Chik-fil-a with a drive-thru line spilling out onto the road. I still don't get food there, but...) Yes. They said in the NYT article that it is occurring everywhere throughout the US economy. You will find connections to child labor in the supply chains of almost all industries in the US right now if you look for them. There are situations where boycotts can be effective, but I’m skeptical this is one of them. The problem is so much larger than corporate policy, although of course corporate policy can help reduce it. It’s an awful combination of demand for inexpensive labor and the supply of desperate children who are scrambling to survive and being exploited in the process. Ultimately, it is driven by the economic and geopolitical instability in Central and South America that is pushing waves of children to migrate to the US without their families or reliable forms of financial support. We need to invest in the stability of the global south. We need to crack down on the people trafficking kids. And of course we need to enforce child labor laws. But we also need to make sure migrant children have a safe place to live, food to eat, and access to education without having to resort to working. We need to provide more social services to migrant children after they enter the US and right now we are absolutely failing to do so. Until we do that, these kids will just be pushed from one exploitive industry to another as they try to stay alive with no access to social services. It's also important to note that this isn't new. Migrant child labor has been a loophole in the farm bill for...ever. And it's not just farm work. Yes we can make choices, but just because it's being talked about now doesn't mean it's a recent thing. And also, a lot of kids work to help support their families. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but the reality is our safety net doesn't exist and we need to do a lot to stabilize our own society as well.
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Post by enchanted on Mar 6, 2023 19:57:56 GMT -6
Is he terrible and ruined? I feel like this question is equally appropriate in the blinds. Reading through that website, I like several of the things he's saying. I can't remember if he is a creep like his brother or not.
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Post by enchanted on Mar 6, 2023 20:02:54 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I wasn't judging anyone here, which is why I added the caveat of "if you can." Everyone can only do the best they can, taking into consideration what is best for their families as well.
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Post by origami on Mar 6, 2023 21:33:30 GMT -6
Didn't Ben Savage spectacularly fail at getting a city council seat or am I thinking of someone else?
Also, I need to know if he voted for bass or Caruso.
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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 6, 2023 21:43:52 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 7, 2023 5:39:09 GMT -6
A good friend of mine went to Stanford at the same time as him and they ran in similar circles. He mostly said he was a bit of a tool because he seemed to expect deference because of who he was. Granted that was 20ish years ago now, so he could have grown up.
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Mar 7, 2023 7:18:03 GMT -6
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Post by byjove on Mar 7, 2023 7:58:47 GMT -6
Yes. They said in the NYT article that it is occurring everywhere throughout the US economy. You will find connections to child labor in the supply chains of almost all industries in the US right now if you look for them. There are situations where boycotts can be effective, but I’m skeptical this is one of them. The problem is so much larger than corporate policy, although of course corporate policy can help reduce it. It’s an awful combination of demand for inexpensive labor and the supply of desperate children who are scrambling to survive and being exploited in the process. Ultimately, it is driven by the economic and geopolitical instability in Central and South America that is pushing waves of children to migrate to the US without their families or reliable forms of financial support. We need to invest in the stability of the global south. We need to crack down on the people trafficking kids. And of course we need to enforce child labor laws. But we also need to make sure migrant children have a safe place to live, food to eat, and access to education without having to resort to working. We need to provide more social services to migrant children after they enter the US and right now we are absolutely failing to do so. Until we do that, these kids will just be pushed from one exploitive industry to another as they try to stay alive with no access to social services. It's also important to note that this isn't new. Migrant child labor has been a loophole in the farm bill for...ever. And it's not just farm work. Yes we can make choices, but just because it's being talked about now doesn't mean it's a recent thing. And also, a lot of kids work to help support their families. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but the reality is our safety net doesn't exist and we need to do a lot to stabilize our own society as well. I agree, it is a really complicated issue without a clear solution to me, as a consumer, aside from putting pressure on the government as Minerva said to address the wellbeing of these children.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 8:34:08 GMT -6
Is he terrible and ruined? I feel like this question is equally appropriate in the blinds. His brother is terrible but I think he is ok
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 8:35:11 GMT -6
I’m not going to stop shopping at Target. 🤷🏼♀️ I can’t be perfect with my shopping habits. I have two disabled toddlers and mental illness that I have to constantly keep in check plus an insanely busy job that has been adding more and more to my plate. Grocery drive up at target keeps me sane. I honestly don’t even care if it is flammable. It shouldn’t be up to us to fix this problem. They're counting on us all yelling at each other so we don't notice that the people who actually can change it refuse to do so.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 8:38:45 GMT -6
Yes yes to everything Minerva and byjove said, we can't stop these corporations from exploiting cheap labor by boycotting Lucky Charms, we need to address the crisis if poverty and lack of social safety net that leads parents to send their children to work out of sheer desperation.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 9:28:40 GMT -6
What the FUCK, Florida?! I don't even know where to begin. What a complete hellscape it will be if even 1/3 of the filed legislation passes.
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Post by elle on Mar 7, 2023 9:36:44 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 10:35:19 GMT -6
Dasani is the only water they have at WDW and it tastes horrible so we started calling it DeSantis 😅
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Post by sifl on Mar 7, 2023 11:34:15 GMT -6
Jfc I wasn’t yelling at anyone.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 7, 2023 11:44:27 GMT -6
A good friend of mine went to Stanford at the same time as him and they ran in similar circles. He mostly said he was a bit of a tool because he seemed to expect deference because of who he was. Granted that was 20ish years ago now, so he could have grown up. Same exact story but with his older brother. lol.
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Post by origami on Mar 7, 2023 11:53:11 GMT -6
Oh did you hear they want to make it so that if you write about DeSantis in a blog you need to register with the state and let them know if you were paid and by who? And if you don’t you’ll be fined 🙃 I saw this a few days ago and the level of alarm it creates in my brain. I don't know how they justify out of this and yet they persist.
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Post by Minerva on Mar 7, 2023 12:47:39 GMT -6
Fuck that. I have non-binary family members in FL who could be directly affected by this. Ugh. Why are people so hateful?
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Post by dc2london on Mar 7, 2023 12:53:38 GMT -6
Jfc I wasn’t yelling at anyone. I don't think anyone accused you of yelling at anyone?
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Post by kbw on Mar 7, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -6
I was listening to podcasts about the FL proposed legislation and its terrifying. First Amendment could be trampled on but oh let’s let open carry be a thing so 2nd amendment rights can’t be touched.
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Post by byjove on Mar 7, 2023 19:30:44 GMT -6
I’m seeing a bunch of threads on Twitter about how kids aren’t as ambitious as they used to be- caring less about grades because they are asking what is the point in the state of the world they will be inheriting and also standardized tests and outdated expectations/skills, AND that Covid has lead to less engaged kids. All seemingly unrelated- anyone notice if something sparked that?
This is especially of interest to me with DD1 and grades being absolutely meaningless to her and it really hasn’t occurred to us that this might be more of a generational thing.
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